Voter roles

[rightwinger]

I will not do your homework for you, the article lays it out, read it…

Run away
Run away

You make the claim and then demand others provide the proof

 

[WorldWatcher]

What’s your idea?

PREMISE:
The current model of “voter” registration is a carryover from the British system established during the birth of our country was based on a time when:

• The main mode of transportation was shanks mare (feet)
• Cargo was moved by horse drawn wagons
• It could take days and multiple riders for information to travel from the State Capital to any point in the state and weeks if information needed to move from one end of the country to another (say Maine to Florida). As the country expanded that time could be measured in months (east coast to west coast).

During those times the idea of “Voter Registration” being localized made sense as the vast majority of the population was born, lived, and died in the same 100 mile circle.

That time is passed, we now live in the age of instant communications. Hell sitting here on the east coast I can pick up a phone, punch in a few numbers and be talking with my daughter stationed in Japan.

RECOMMENDATION:
Therefore I think it’s time to fundamentally change the core concept of “Voter Registration” from the current model of registering to vote and having to prove you are eligible to being automatically an eligible voter unless the franchised is removed for a reason (felony, death, mental incapacity, etc.).

This fundamental shift from “having to register to vote” to “eligible voter” would be based on the integration of various sources of information into a central clearing house that all states would be required to participate in for election for federal offices. If they decided to maintain a separate parallel system for state/local elections, they would be free to do so.

All eligible system as fundamentally considered “registered to vote” as long as they are of the correct age and have not had their franchise removed. So it becomes less a question of “who” is eligible to vote, the only remaining question is “where” they are eligible to vote.

This “Voter Electronic Eligibility Center” system would include:

• Real time access to voter eligibility information via an encrypted secure network to state and local boards of election.
• State and local boards would be able to download voters whose address falls within their jurisdiction.
• State and local officials would have access to querying and updating individual statuses.
• Information would be integrated from various sources which provide input into the system.
• State Department responsible for vital records - births, deaths, etc.
• State Department of Taxation – current address, change of Address
• State Department of Motor Vehicles – current address, change of address
• State Departments of State – Court actions and restoration of franchise after removed by court action
• United States Postal Service – National valid addresses, change of address
• Social Security Administration – births deaths, etc.
• Federal Department of State – naturalization of new citizens
• The various Felony level courts at both the State and Federal level – removal of the franchise via felony conviction

Because of the data integration between the various agencies, the idea “voter eligibility” is shifted. There are no “purging the roles” based on inactivity. All citizens are considered active voters.

Where you vote then becomes a function of your primary legal address (of which you will only have one). If you move, that address change will automatically be fed into the system and your information would be downloaded to the local elections office.

When you are born, you are automatically registered into the system and become “eligible to vote” at your 18th birthday. You just have to wait to get there of course.

If you die, when that death is registered it is automatically communicated to the VEEC making you ineligible to vote.

Now in my humble opinion, it would take 10-15 years for such a system. First you need funding. Then the IT experts and Database geeks are going to have to map out the secure communication systems and data interface software that will function between agencies. Then you are going to need a few years each of “Alpha” and “Beta” testing before it can really go live. But once all the players are in place it could really streamline what we view as “voter registration” making it so much easier for (a) us as individuals and (b) for the voting process in general.

WW
(And ya, I'm an Information Systems Geek)

 

[candycorn]

Yep, I know… regardless, these roles must be cleaned up if integrity matters…

Yeah, my role is to correct your spelling. LOL

 

[j-mac]

Run away
Run away

You make the claim and then demand others provide the proof

What you’re asking for is all in the OP…The common courtesy you could have at a minimum, is to read it.

 

[j-mac]

PREMISE:
The current model of “voter” registration is a carryover from the British system established during the birth of our country was based on a time when:

• The main mode of transportation was shanks mare (feet)
• Cargo was moved by horse drawn wagons
• It could take days and multiple riders for information to travel from the State Capital to any point in the state and weeks if information needed to move from one end of the country to another (say Maine to Florida). As the country expanded that time could be measured in months (east coast to west coast).

During those times the idea of “Voter Registration” being localized made sense as the vast majority of the population was born, lived, and died in the same 100 mile circle.

That time is passed, we now live in the age of instant communications. Hell sitting here on the east coast I can pick up a phone, punch in a few numbers and be talking with my daughter stationed in Japan.

RECOMMENDATION:
Therefore I think it’s time to fundamentally change the core concept of “Voter Registration” from the current model of registering to vote and having to prove you are eligible to being automatically an eligible voter unless the franchised is removed for a reason (felony, death, mental incapacity, etc.).

This fundamental shift from “having to register to vote” to “eligible voter” would be based on the integration of various sources of information into a central clearing house that all states would be required to participate in for election for federal offices. If they decided to maintain a separate parallel system for state/local elections, they would be free to do so.

All eligible system as fundamentally considered “registered to vote” as long as they are of the correct age and have not had their franchise removed. So it becomes less a question of “who” is eligible to vote, the only remaining question is “where” they are eligible to vote.

This “Voter Electronic Eligibility Center” system would include:

• Real time access to voter eligibility information via an encrypted secure network to state and local boards of election.
• State and local boards would be able to download voters whose address falls within their jurisdiction.
• State and local officials would have access to querying and updating individual statuses.
• Information would be integrated from various sources which provide input into the system.
• State Department responsible for vital records - births, deaths, etc.
• State Department of Taxation – current address, change of Address
• State Department of Motor Vehicles – current address, change of address
• State Departments of State – Court actions and restoration of franchise after removed by court action
• United States Postal Service – National valid addresses, change of address
• Social Security Administration – births deaths, etc.
• Federal Department of State – naturalization of new citizens
• The various Felony level courts at both the State and Federal level – removal of the franchise via felony conviction

Because of the data integration between the various agencies, the idea “voter eligibility” is shifted. There are no “purging the roles” based on inactivity. All citizens are considered active voters.

Where you vote then becomes a function of your primary legal address (of which you will only have one). If you move, that address change will automatically be fed into the system and your information would be downloaded to the local elections office.

When you are born, you are automatically registered into the system and become “eligible to vote” at your 18th birthday. You just have to wait to get there of course.

If you die, when that death is registered it is automatically communicated to the VEEC making you ineligible to vote.

Now in my humble opinion, it would take 10-15 years for such a system. First you need funding. Then the IT experts and Database geeks are going to have to map out the secure communication systems and data interface software that will function between agencies. Then you are going to need a few years each of “Alpha” and “Beta” testing before it can really go live. But once all the players are in place it could really streamline what we view as “voter registration” making it so much easier for (a) us as individuals and (b) for the voting process in general.

WW
(And ya, I'm an Information Systems Geek)

Well, first off, I’d like to thank you for the response, I found it interesting…


Now, as I’m sure you know, this wouldn’t be possible, as you’ve already said as much, and I would have a concern about hacking.


Also, we can’t get the states to agree to give up the data now to purge these things ON BOTH SIDES, so it would depend on yet another agency doing this work federally, and we both know government workers tend to lean left. So, we’re still left with the same mistrust we have today.

But, I like the idea of modernizing the system…it would need a watchdog with teeth.

 

[j-mac]

Yeah, my role is to correct your spelling. LOL

Oh Gheeze, I wouldn’t want to anger the spelling police….

 

[22lcidw]

It goes beyond mistrust in elections
They breed mistrust in the media, Science, medicine, history

Don’t trust anyone…just trust TRUMP

Over the years, the lies piled up. Many of the aging newspeople we trusted as young people, were found to be Progressive Socialist shills. And more than that they speak with venom. Newspapers, magazines, older TV programs morphed into Prog propaganda pablum. It has turned people ugly and self-righteous pushing the agendas as defenders of the realm. Progs took over defining us into groups. And we can e in more than one. And if any individuals failed, then the whole group is to lame of they are not part of the all exalted Progressive Party. Progressives are jettisoned as needed without any thought and if they do not toe the line exactly, most are set up for scorn. The Progressive Party is a complex one with simple objectives. And they are winning.

 

[Rawley]

The first jump you make is the assumption that inaccurate voter rolls mean that large scale fraud occurs. Even if a ballot is sent to an incorrect address, it still requires the person living at that address to fake the identity of the voter. Not just a felony, but a felony so you can change a single vote in an election (not exactly worth it IMHO), and a felony that would be picked up on in audits if it would happen at any scale.

How are they going to get caught?

 

[rightwinger]

What you’re asking for is all in the OP…The common courtesy you could have at a minimum, is to read it.

No it isn’t
You are welcome to point to any voter fraud that would have impacted the election

Show me

 

[eagle7-31]

In a different thread Dragonlady challenged me to lay out the states that refuse to open their voter roles for audit. Right after the 2016 election the ERIC system was adopted to gather data about voter roles and what goes on in elections concerning elections.



Now, keep in mind not all of the states participated in this, wonder why? And, the numbers were shocking considering some states in 2020 were won by as little as 11,000 votes.

So, when we talk about voter fraud, remember, the real cheat is not in that an individual voter is committing the fraud, it’s more ingrained in the system…

Citizen Groups Stepping Up to Demand Honest Elections

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Here is some with links,

 

[Weatherman2020]

Can you find any significant instances of people voting twice or voting for dead people?

Most states don’t want to invest the resources to track down voters who have moved or purge the dead.
They just let them go inactive

Why is an ID for buying allergy over the counter medicine not racist?

 

[my2¢]

Access to and Use of Voter Registration Lists

For each state and the District of Columbia the information provided:

 

[rightwinger]

Why is an ID for buying allergy over the counter medicine not racist?

No idea WTF you are babbling about

 

[Weatherman2020]

No idea WTF you are babbling about

Of course you don’t. You watch Leftard News to see what is going on.

Just answer the question. Is it racist to require ID to buy over the counter allergy medication?

 

[forkup]

How are they going to get caught?

Table 14: How States Verify Voted Absentee/Mail Ballots

Summarizes methods states use to verify absentee/mail ballots, such as signature verification and having the absentee/mail ballot witnessed or notarized.

www.ncsl.org

Like that.

My whole point is, that if sending ballots to a wrong address would cause the widespread voter fraud that is suggested it would turn up in the amount of people who get prosecuted. After all getting a wrong ballot in the mail gives you no clue as to how the signature of the intended addressee looks like. Nor is catching the culprit difficult. He or she literally lives at the address. The majority of states require at least some form of signature verification at the very least.

This is simply not happening.

 

[kyzr]

PREMISE:
The current model of “voter” registration is a carryover from the British system established during the birth of our country was based on a time when:

• The main mode of transportation was shanks mare (feet)
• Cargo was moved by horse drawn wagons
• It could take days and multiple riders for information to travel from the State Capital to any point in the state and weeks if information needed to move from one end of the country to another (say Maine to Florida). As the country expanded that time could be measured in months (east coast to west coast).

During those times the idea of “Voter Registration” being localized made sense as the vast majority of the population was born, lived, and died in the same 100 mile circle.

That time is passed, we now live in the age of instant communications. Hell sitting here on the east coast I can pick up a phone, punch in a few numbers and be talking with my daughter stationed in Japan.

RECOMMENDATION:
Therefore I think it’s time to fundamentally change the core concept of “Voter Registration” from the current model of registering to vote and having to prove you are eligible to being automatically an eligible voter unless the franchised is removed for a reason (felony, death, mental incapacity, etc.).

This fundamental shift from “having to register to vote” to “eligible voter” would be based on the integration of various sources of information into a central clearing house that all states would be required to participate in for election for federal offices. If they decided to maintain a separate parallel system for state/local elections, they would be free to do so.

All eligible system as fundamentally considered “registered to vote” as long as they are of the correct age and have not had their franchise removed. So it becomes less a question of “who” is eligible to vote, the only remaining question is “where” they are eligible to vote.

This “Voter Electronic Eligibility Center” system would include:

• Real time access to voter eligibility information via an encrypted secure network to state and local boards of election.
• State and local boards would be able to download voters whose address falls within their jurisdiction.
• State and local officials would have access to querying and updating individual statuses.
• Information would be integrated from various sources which provide input into the system.
• State Department responsible for vital records - births, deaths, etc.
• State Department of Taxation – current address, change of Address
• State Department of Motor Vehicles – current address, change of address
• State Departments of State – Court actions and restoration of franchise after removed by court action
• United States Postal Service – National valid addresses, change of address
• Social Security Administration – births deaths, etc.
• Federal Department of State – naturalization of new citizens
• The various Felony level courts at both the State and Federal level – removal of the franchise via felony conviction

Because of the data integration between the various agencies, the idea “voter eligibility” is shifted. There are no “purging the roles” based on inactivity. All citizens are considered active voters.

Where you vote then becomes a function of your primary legal address (of which you will only have one). If you move, that address change will automatically be fed into the system and your information would be downloaded to the local elections office.

When you are born, you are automatically registered into the system and become “eligible to vote” at your 18th birthday. You just have to wait to get there of course.

If you die, when that death is registered it is automatically communicated to the VEEC making you ineligible to vote.

Now in my humble opinion, it would take 10-15 years for such a system. First you need funding. Then the IT experts and Database geeks are going to have to map out the secure communication systems and data interface software that will function between agencies. Then you are going to need a few years each of “Alpha” and “Beta” testing before it can really go live. But once all the players are in place it could really streamline what we view as “voter registration” making it so much easier for (a) us as individuals and (b) for the voting process in general.

WW
(And ya, I'm an Information Systems Geek)

Years ago both parties had people actually visit voters in their residences to confirm their eligibility.
Now I don't think anyone would volunteer to visit voters for fear of being mugged or murdered.

I think your system of voter ID verification is better than anything I've seen. Thanks.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Can you find any significant instances of people voting twice or voting for dead people?

Most states don’t want to invest the resources to track down voters who have moved or purge the dead.
They just let them go inactive

Nope. The dems sue every time voter rolls are attempted to be updated.

 

[j-mac]

No it isn’t
You are welcome to point to any voter fraud that would have impacted the election

Show me

From the article…

• 14,608 registered voters were credited by state election officials with voting in the 2016 and 2018 elections after they had died;
• 81,649 voters who were registered twice at the same address voted twice in the 2016 and 2018 elections;
• 8,360 voters who were registered in two different states voted in both states in the 2018 election;
• 5,500 voters who were registered twice in the same state but at different addresses voted twice in the 2018 election; and
• 34,000 voters who were registered at nonresidential addresses, including casinos, gas stations, and restaurants, cast ballots in the 2018 election.4
  Id. at 8.

 

[rightwinger]

From the article…

• 14,608 registered voters were credited by state election officials with voting in the 2016 and 2018 elections after they had died;
• 81,649 voters who were registered twice at the same address voted twice in the 2016 and 2018 elections;
• 8,360 voters who were registered in two different states voted in both states in the 2018 election;
• 5,500 voters who were registered twice in the same state but at different addresses voted twice in the 2018 election; and
• 34,000 voters who were registered at nonresidential addresses, including casinos, gas stations, and restaurants, cast ballots in the 2018 election.4
  Id. at 8.

So, in 50 states with over 100 million votes, 14,608 were miscast as dead people

81,649 double voted in 50 states in two separate elections out of over 300 million

Hardly enough to change results

 

[Rawley]

Table 14: How States Verify Voted Absentee/Mail Ballots

Summarizes methods states use to verify absentee/mail ballots, such as signature verification and having the absentee/mail ballot witnessed or notarized.

www.ncsl.org

Like that.

My whole point is, that if sending ballots to a wrong address would cause the widespread voter fraud that is suggested it would turn up in the amount of people who get prosecuted. After all getting a wrong ballot in the mail gives you no clue as to how the signature of the intended addressee looks like. Nor is catching the culprit difficult. He or she literally lives at the address.

REally? I've gotten at least a dozen ballots delivered to my house in the past few years. How on God's green earth are they going to catch me if I sign them and send them back in? Come knocking on my door? I tell them to go fuck themselves. THey would never, ever be able to prove it.

The majority of states require at least some form of signature verification at the very least.

This is simply not happening.

Signature verification is what is not happening.

Former Fulton County Elections Official Explains Why He Voted Against Certification Twice During Jeffrey Clark's Disbarment Trial - Tennessee Star

Former Fulton County Elections Official Explains Why He Voted Against Certification Twice During Jeffrey Clark's Disbarment Trial

tennesseestar.com

Saying nothing about ballot harvesting.