How many times has humanity been wiped down to near extinction?

[Hypatia415]

I'm aware of that as well.

. . but, what I am not aware of, is when the books of Jewish religious scripture were settled on and who settled that.

Ever heard of the Masoretic Text?

Enoch was found with the dead sea scrolls. . . why?

Because the canon had yet to be established.

 

[MisterBeale]

I’ve come across Tartaria a few times now

There’s Bully Slayer on YouTube who covers the Mud Flood Catastrophe

Going to look at David Icke on the subject

More and more it feels like The Matrix was a documentary

I'm on the fence about it.


I've heard all the theories, but I have not heard any evidence that native Americans ever commented on or claimed that this architecture was here before 1492, nor information that some of those architectural techniques were handed down to European and American architects and engineers and then lost/suppressed.

 

[MisterBeale]

Masoretic Text

No I hadn't. Thank you. That place in history makes it a possibility that Enoch was at one time part of cannon for Jewish folks. I find the dates for that interesting. . . thank you.

Because the canon had yet to be established.

That is as I expected. I certainly clarifies the time line for me.

 

[Hypatia415]

No I hadn't. Thank you. That place in history makes it a possibility that Enoch was at one time part of cannon for Jewish folks. I find the dates for that interesting. . . thank you.

There are other apocalyptic texts as well, Daniel did make it into the canon.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm on the fence about it.


I've heard all the theories, but I have not heard any evidence that native Americans ever commented on or claimed that this architecture was here before 1492, nor information that some of those architectural techniques were handed down to European and American architects and engineers and then lost/suppressed.

It’s a new theory for me. Because so much history is already falsified, I’m going to take a deeper dive.

Until the 1900’s early Americans were only slightly above hunter gatherer

 

[Hypatia415]

Because so much history is already falsified

Such as? Would you care to share with us?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Such as? Would you care to share with us?

My current top two are:

Civilization started in the Tigris Euphrates 5,000 years ago

We are the most technologically advanced civilization that ever existed

 

[MisterBeale]

Because so much history is already falsified

I am of the opinion that the same folks that have adulterated the legitimacy of our understanding of history, were the same folks that led us into a technological dark age by covering up and suppressing knowledge that Tesla knew, along with the artificial and perverted medical science which as been likewise adultered. It all seemed to have happened soon after the Red Shield got that advanced information about Napoleons' defeat at Waterloo, and seemed to have been cemented with the creation of the FED.

Education & Journalism seemed to suffer a destruction and transformation into naught but repeating the establishment narratives around the same time as well.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I am of the opinion that the same folks that have adulterated the legitimacy of our understanding of history, were the same folks that led us into a technological dark age by covering up and suppressing knowledge that Tesla knew, along with the artificial and perverted medical science which as been likewise adultered. It all seemed to have happened soon after the Red Shield got that advanced information about Napoleons' defeat at Waterloo, and seemed to have been cemented with the creation of the FED.

Education & Journalism seemed to suffer a destruction and transformation into naught but repeating the establishment narratives around the same time as well.

Our whole civilization is built on fake and manufactured scarcities, that's why it won't last

 

[Hypatia415]

My current top two are:

Civilization started in the Tigris Euphrates 5,000 years ago

Being pedantic one first has to define what one understands by "civilization". My own interpretation is that civilisations are those societies that have a written text which is used for day to day things - temple inventories, law codes, correspondence and so forth.

On that basis the first civilisations arose in ancient Sumer and Egypt.

We are the most technologically advanced civilization that ever existed

I do not think the Sumerians had a global telecommunication system nor had the ancient Egyptians harnessed the atom for power or warfare. Nor did either civilisation launch satellites or put men on the moon.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Being pedantic one first has to define what one understands by "civilization". My own interpretation is that civilisations are those societies that have a written text which is used for day to day things - temple inventories, law codes, correspondence and so forth.

On that basis the first civilisations arose in ancient Sumer and Egypt.

I do not think the Sumerians had a global telecommunication system nor had the ancient Egyptians harnessed the atom for power or warfare. Nor did either civilisation launch satellites or put men on the moon.

I’m not going to waste much time arguing. I’ll point out just a few things because when you start totally wrong, it’s hard to get back on track

Even before the revelation of the complex subterranean infrastructure at Giza, it was long obvious that the Pyramids were built by a pre Flood civilization. The site planning and clearing alone is evidence of a civilization with vast geological and engineering capabilities. They KNEW they had to level the foundation and boy did they level it! They altered the local topography to accommodate the Pyramids

See those perfectly straight lines to the top and left of the 3 Pyramids? That’s one massive and precise site excavation!

They cleared the site, then dug down 2,000 kilometers to place structures that have us pretending to understand their purpose

 

[otto105]

With the recent discovery of Gobekli Tepi, it's indisputable that a prior, advanced human civilization was laid low during the Younger Dryas. By itself it speaks to a prior civilization that warned doom from the sky above. Then you add to it that the Egyptian Priest who told that the destruction happened 9,000 years prior, also dating back to the Younger Dryas.

With respect to the dating of the Sphinx and Great Pyramid, it's clear that these were already there when the Egyptians arrived. Since both the Sphinx and Pyramids show water erosion, they too predate the Younger Dryas. The question is: did the builder of the Pyramids intentionally make a construct they KNEW would survive the certain destruction?

Humans have been the same genetically for 200,000 plus years. The idea that we only developed technology a few thousand years ago is now demonstrable false. They was at least one prior, advanced civilization. I suspect there were others as well

Thoughts?

Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia

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So, no sky god dating of humans, but rather evolution.

Got it.

 

[Hypatia415]

I’m not going to waste much time arguing. I’ll point out just a few things because when you start totally wrong, it’s hard to get back on track

Even before the revelation of the complex subterranean infrastructure at Giza, it was long obvious that the Pyramids were built by a pre Flood civilization.

Why is it obvious and what attested archaeological and/or geological sources are you citing?

Incidentally, if you do not wish to waste time arguing i.e. substantiate your remarks, then you should not make such claims.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So, no sky god dating of humans, but rather evolution.

Got it.

What?

Evolution is ridiculous

 

[otto105]

What?

Evolution is ridiculous

Dude, remote principles of debate.

Facts are center and science is real.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why is it obvious and what attested archaeological and/or geological sources are you citing?

Incidentally, if you do not wish to waste time arguing i.e. substantiate your remarks, then you should not make such claims.

I showed you the extent to which the Giza plateau was cleared and then dug down over 2,000 feet. That Zari Hawass doesn't believe it is his problem, not mine.

This is why discussion is nearly totally pointless. I know what Zari & the Egyptologists have to say

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Dude, remote principles of debate.

Facts are center and science is real.

And evolution is neither central nor real

 

[Hypatia415]

I showed you the extent to which the Giza plateau was cleared and then dug down over 2,000 feet. That Zari Hawass doesn't believe it is his problem, not mine.

You have claimed that:

Even before the revelation of the complex subterranean infrastructure at Giza, it was long obvious that the Pyramids were built by a pre Flood civilization. The site planning and clearing alone is evidence of a civilization with vast geological and engineering capabilities. They KNEW they had to level the foundation and boy did they level it! They altered the local topography to accommodate the Pyramids

My emphasis.

Where is the attested evidence for those remarks?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You have claimed that:

My emphasis.

Where is the attested evidence for those remarks?

Your "attested evidence" comment tells me that whatever I put forth you will simply say, "Zari Hawass disagrees".

See? Pointless

 

[Hypatia415]

Your "attested evidence" comment tells me that whatever I put forth you will simply say, "Zari Hawass disagrees".

See? Pointless

Do you have any credible and attested evidence? What sources are you using?