How many times has humanity been wiped down to near extinction?

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank, hear me out.

That heavy block of granite has been sitting on the one below for 5000 years.

Over 5000 years, granite "flows". Ever seen a mountain? I imagine you have.

So, imagine what happens over 5000 years, to a block of granite sitting on another block of granite.

It flows to fill the gap.

You think the perfect 90 degree angles were in the Saqqara slabs were eroded or the perfectly aligned granite stones? Not sure that's how it works

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You think the perfect 90 degree angles were in the Saqqara slabs were eroded or the perfectly aligned granite stones? Not sure that's how it works

There are no "perfect" 90 degree angles, in any of it. sorry.

And yes, people knew how to carve blocks.

Over time, the blocks have flowed to fill gaps. And this has apparently fooled peole into thinking they looked like that 5000 years ago.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There are no "perfect" 90 degree angles, in any of it. sorry.

And yes, people knew how to carve blocks.

Over time, the blocks have flowed to fill gaps. And this has apparently fooled peole into thinking they looked like that 5000 years ago.

these explanations....don't explain much

 

[Hypatia415]

Yeah but not the point — at all!!

It is the precise point.

You and others like you give ancient people no credit for their ingenuity and technological skills.

You prefer to ascribe it to some non existent "lost" civilisation, or as others do to "aliens".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It is the precise point.

You and others like you give ancient people no credit for their ingenuity and technological skills.

You prefer to ascribe it to some non existent "lost" civilisation, or as others do to "aliens".

Because a technologically advanced predecessor civilization is the only answer that fits the facts

 

[Hypatia415]

Because a technologically advanced predecessor civilization is the only answer that fits the facts

Only to those who engage in pyramidiocy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Only to those who engage in pyramidiocy.

Because you believe we're the first and only civilization here? What makes you so special?

 

[Hypatia415]

Because you believe we're the first and only civilization here? What make you so special?

We are not the first civilisation. Ancient civilisations like Egypt, Sumer, or Classical Greece and Rome came long before us.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

these explanations....don't explain much

They definitely explain why 5000 year old granite blocks in a 5000 year old pile are so flush. They were never "perfect" and in fact still aren't.

Go check... you're not the first person to look at this and scratch your head, Frank. Some people actually took the next steps and figured it out.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They definitely explain why 5000 year old granite blocks in a 5000 year old pile are so flush. They were never "perfect" and in fact still aren't.

Go check... you're not the first person to look at this and scratch your head, Frank. Some people actually took the next steps and figured it out.

Weathering does not tend to make stones fit better together

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It is the precise point.

You and others like you give ancient people no credit for their ingenuity and technological skills.

You prefer to ascribe it to some non existent "lost" civilisation, or as others do to "aliens".

 

[Hypatia415]

Are you now alleging that this unknow and "lost" civilisation in which you believe (despite leaving not an iota of evidence of its existence) had technology on a par with that of today?

I suppose you do also know that the Egyptians used bronze and hardened copper tools?

Try this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352409X21000808

Abstract​

This study deals with the remains of metal objects from the settlement of workers living and labouring at the Egyptian site of Giza in the reigns of Dynasty 4 Kings Khufu and Khafra (c. 2500–2450 BCE). It provides the first detailed set of data on copper tools of the craftspersons working with wood, limestone, textile, etc., focusing on the major and trace element analyses, lead isotopes and microstructural description. Arsenical copper is again confirmed as a material practically used in the Old Kingdom, with arsenopyrite from Eastern Desert proposed as a source of arsenic. The CuAgAs needle 20966 has similar lead isotopes as two pieces of Predynastic Egyptian metalwork and litharge from late Uruk site Habuba Kabira (Syria), being probably a recycled specimen of earlier material connected to silver production. With 15 objects analysed in detail, it is for now the largest Old Kingdom corpus of metal objects from the settlement context.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Are you now alleging that this unknow and "lost" civilisation in which you believe (despite leaving not an iota of evidence of its existence) had technology on a par with that of today?

Maybe watch the video BEFORE commenting?

They were actually superior to our capabilities

Their machines are long gone, the stone work remains

 

[Hypatia415]

Maybe watch the video BEFORE commenting?

I did.

A Facebook comment rather sums up Mr Dunn:

Not surprisingly, Christopher Dunn, who began his career as a journeyman machinist, got his start on ancient Egypt by reading a book by fringe New Age author Peter Tompkins.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Are you now alleging that this unknow and "lost" civilisation in which you believe (despite leaving not an iota of evidence of its existence) had technology on a par with that of today?

I suppose you do also know that the Egyptians used bronze and hardened copper tools?

Try this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352409X21000808

Abstract​

This study deals with the remains of metal objects from the settlement of workers living and labouring at the Egyptian site of Giza in the reigns of Dynasty 4 Kings Khufu and Khafra (c. 2500–2450 BCE). It provides the first detailed set of data on copper tools of the craftspersons working with wood, limestone, textile, etc., focusing on the major and trace element analyses, lead isotopes and microstructural description. Arsenical copper is again confirmed as a material practically used in the Old Kingdom, with arsenopyrite from Eastern Desert proposed as a source of arsenic. The CuAgAs needle 20966 has similar lead isotopes as two pieces of Predynastic Egyptian metalwork and litharge from late Uruk site Habuba Kabira (Syria), being probably a recycled specimen of earlier material connected to silver production. With 15 objects analysed in detail, it is for now the largest Old Kingdom corpus of metal objects from the settlement context.

The video that you claim you watched states that we cannot replicate that stonework with diamond tipped drills today

Are you sure you watched it all the way through?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I did.

A Facebook comment rather sums up Mr Dunn:

Not surprisingly, Christopher Dunn, who began his career as a journeyman machinist, got his start on ancient Egypt by reading a book by fringe New Age author Peter Tompkins.

Yes of course

And that negates the core drilling…how?

Magic beans?

 

[Hypatia415]

Yes of course

And that negates the core drilling…how?

There is a claim that somehow the ancient Egyptians could do what we today cannot.

That is nonsense.

Magic beans?

Here is an article, it is from 1983 but it is not lunatic fringe.

Expedition Magazine | Ancient Egyptian Stone-Drilling

<p>More than most technical procedures in the ancient world, drilling of hard stone such as quartz and granite has evoked […]</p>

www.penn.museum

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Informative short video of the results of the radar scans at Kailasa Temple

The Temple was carved out of the basalt bedrock, 6 on the Mohs scale

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There is a claim that somehow the ancient Egyptians could do what we today cannot.

That is nonsense.


Here is an article, it is from 1983 but it is not lunatic fringe.

Expedition Magazine | Ancient Egyptian Stone-Drilling

<p>More than most technical procedures in the ancient world, drilling of hard stone such as quartz and granite has evoked […]</p>

www.penn.museum

“Lucas cited many references to show that quartz sand could drill granite. However, none of these references indicated that concentric lines were formed as a result of the drilling.”

If you’re going to imagine a scenario that can make the marks, it’s best if you imagine one that can make the marks

 

[Hypatia415]

“Lucas cited many references to show that quartz sand could drill granite. However, none of these references indicated that concentric lines were formed as a result of the drilling.”

If you’re going to imagine a scenario that can make the marks, it’s best if you imagine one that can make the marks

From the article: My emphasis.

1. Conclusion​

   A functional analysis of the drilling of a granite sarcophagus lid from the Old Kingdom period has begun to suggest resolutions to an important scholarly controversy between Petrie and Lucas, and has produced some preliminary insights into the hitherto speculative technology used. These are: 1) loose, dry abrasives (except diamond) did not produce concentric lines; 2) fixed abrasives or those in a watery slurry or a lubricant such as olive oil did produce concentric cutting lines; 3) corundum and diamond cannot be ruled out as not having been used to drill granite. These findings are significant in the history of ancient lapidary technology and will be useful in research on other stones. The discovery of the significance of the concentric lines, and also their significance as an indicator of the abrasive employed, will be useful for further research. Each type of stone will have to be dealt with separately.

Why are you unable to accept the fact that ancient peoples had some remarkable technological skills?