Zone1 Have we lost The Bible Story?

[Meriweather]

Salvation being death?

Salvation is God's saving power, and that saving power is everywhere.

 

[Meriweather]

No doubt for the small area in question. Which btw, you have not determined for us yet.

New beginnings after an kind of disaster.

 

[Meriweather]

Yes, nearly all floods of the proportions we can assume, cost lives.

Can you suggest an approximate date? Can you suggest proportions, in respect to geography of the time making the flood possible? The Nile? The Tigris-Euphrates?

Either may serve to inform us on the proportions.

Then we can move on to a discussion on all the other questions that arise on it being literally a real flood, or, a parable.

I'm still willing to stick to your rule of no science applies. Even though I'm having difficulty separating science from what we would consider..................... reality?

For those interested in floods, I recommend studying geology and speaking with knowledgeable geologists.

 

[Donald H]

What do the thirteen stripes on the American flag represent? What do the fifty stars represent? Any American will tell you the stripes represent the original thirteen colonies; the fifty stars represent the fifty American states.

In the same way, when three decks and their heights are mentioned, people of the time would tell you these three decks symbolize the underworld, the earth, and the heavens, all ruled by God.

Are you suggesting that we should take the answers to be the same as the people of the time?

I'm more than anxious to accept that the three decks' height has nothing to do whatsoever with the height of the 3 decks.
On that question, we're there together again!

That's not my acceptance of what the heights meant in your opinion; it's to agree with you on what they don't mean.

And so in keeping with that, I'm ready to declare the entire story is baloney in the sense that it wasn't literally real.

Let's just move on to the lessons taught. As I suggested, with Jimmy Jones, he didn't intend to leave anybody who would be amenable to learning something. To me, it doesn't appear that the Ark story could teach a lesson to survivors on learning that if you fk around with god, you find out. (paraphrased)

Other than a lesson to the survivors on shore of course. (that's not compatible with the story in which there were no survivors, other than family.

 

[Donald H]

New beginnings after an kind of disaster.

And agreed again, with one provision of there being eye witnesses.

 

[Donald H]

For those interested in floods, I recommend studying geology and speaking with knowledgeable geologists.

You've already demanded that we can't go there in this discussion. Relax your demands and I'll be happy to consider the Tigres-Euphrates basin, by seeking science's advice.

 

[Meriweather]

I'm more than anxious to accept that the three decks' height has nothing to do whatsoever with the height of the 3 decks.
On that question, we're there together again!

That's not my acceptance of what the heights meant in your opinion; it's to agree with you on what they don't mean.

And so in keeping with that, I'm ready to declare the entire story is baloney in the sense that it wasn't literally real.

The measurements of three decks have everything to do with the story. Otherwise, they would not have been included.

Let's just move on to the lessons taught. As I suggested, with Jimmy Jones, he didn't intend to leave anybody who would be amenable to learning something. To me, it doesn't appear that the Ark story could teach a lesson to survivors on learning that if you fk around with god, you find out. (paraphrased)

Other than a lesson to the survivors on shore of course. (that's not compatible with the story in which there were no survivors, other than family.

The story includes a contrast: First there is mankind whose behavior has left a lot to be desired and needs to be called to justice. Second, there is God whose purpose is to offer salvation to all.

 

[Meriweather]

You've already demanded that we can't go there in this discussion. Relax your demands and I'll be happy to consider the Tigres-Euphrates basin, by seeking science's advice.

What you need to understand is that I am following the story of salvation, not the story of the geology of the Tigres-Euphrates basin. Geology, as interesting as some may find the stories it does tell, does not address the story of salvation. Salvation is the story that interests me.

 

[Donald H]

The measurements of three decks have everything to do with the story. Otherwise, they would not have been included.

The story includes a contrast: First there is mankind whose behavior has left a lot to be desired and needs to be called to justice. Second, there is God whose purpose is to offer salvation to all.

In a sense I accept the deck heights to have something to do with the story.

But I have agreed that the deck heights have nothing to do with the actual physical heights of the decks.

Let's leave it for today on a positive note of agreeing!

edit: And it wasn't my idea to include geology.

 

[ding]

I will claim more patience with me than others.

I can hold your attention and so am able to provide you more of the subversion you keep asking for. Did any of you Christians ever believe I was seriously considering the Ark story or the big fish story to be real??

Of course they're not and I don't know of one Christian on this board that still holds to their beliefs. For you and some others I've accomplished in a year, that which is going to take generations for others.

Meri and I am still working toward an understanding that works for both of us.

But you can't hold my attention. You bore me. I need intellectually stimulating conversations. That you think you have accomplished anything here is a testament to the anti-intellectual nature of militant atheism.

 

[Donald H]

But you can't hold my attention.

As you demonstrate, as many times in a day as I wish to hold it!

You bore me. I need intellectually stimulating conversations. That you think you have accomplished anything here is a testament to the anti-intellectual nature of militant atheism.

 

[ding]

As you demonstrate, as many times in a day as I wish to hold it!

Maybe go back and refresh yourself with post #604 to see who couldn't get enough of whom.

 

[BreezeWood]

So please tell us why God allows suffering to exist.

allows ...

there is suffering in the heavens as well not everything goes as planned errors in thought, not sinning will always persist.

all are equal in the heavens, prejudices as meriwethers false religious personifications and enumerations of servitude and denial as throughout the desert religions must be the fog you too are experiencing.

 

[ding]

allows ...

there is suffering in the heavens as well not everything goes as planned errors in thought, not sinning will always persist.

all are equal in the heavens, prejudices as meriwethers false religious personifications and enumerations of servitude and denial as throughout the desert religions must be the fog you too are experiencing.

Not an answer and you have no basis for any of your beliefs.

 

[BreezeWood]

Not an answer and you have no basis for any of your beliefs.

you mean those not written in the 4th century christian bible correctly than the forgeries and fallacies of all three desert religions.

what jesus taught, liberation theology self determination, those in the 1st century gave their lives for - the heavenly religion of antiquity. no where found in the desert.

 

[ding]

you mean those not written in the 4th century christian bible correctly than the forgeries and fallacies of all three desert religions.

what jesus taught, liberation theology self determination, those in the 1st century gave their lives for - the heavenly religion of antiquity. no where found in the desert.

Mark 16:15-16

 

[hobelim]

But now you do! Only one question then: Was it giraffe heads sticking out of the roof or was it Brontosaurus'?

Obviously talking donkeys made it onto the ark, brown nosed dorks, vermin, wolves, sheep, goats, serpents, parasites, maggots, worms, creepy things that creep, not to mention swine that DO NOT RUMINATE.

Can I get a hee haw?

Meri says the lesson was 'salvation. I'm pretty sure the lesson is 'death' if you fk around and don't believe.

Salvation? No. Believe or death? No. Many 'believers' are as lifeless as a corpse without breath.

A person doesn't have to believe in cause and effect for it to determine the quality of their lives.

 

[hobelim]

Who would have ever imagined that this topic would bring you out as a young earther? And 5000 years is 'record setting' young!

And you probably thought that was an intelligent response! lol. And so it has begun. Remember?

"For the next seven years you will lose your mind and live like a wild beast that doesn't have enough sense to either look up or get out of the rain. After that, you will know what Joos know."

A worldwide deluge around 5000 years ago, the dated time of the Burckle crater, (coincidence?) was a story about Noah, not the creation of heaven and earth, which was never about the creation of the universe or solar system, the sky, the earth, or the first plants animals and human beings. Its about the time when Moses who lived long after Noah, gave the Law as a light to the nations, creating a world above and the world below on this planet that had already been in existence for billions of years, without shape or form, lawless, and void, exceedingly pointless.

The firmament, basis, of Heaven is the Law. If you don't understand this, don't feel too bad.

You may never be a deep thinker but you can always tap dance for nickels and chuckles.

 

[BreezeWood]

Mark 16:15-16

you mean those not written in the 4th century christian bible correctly than the forgeries and fallacies of all three desert religions.

have you removed the fallacious 10 commandments claimed in that same document by the liar moses - yet. if for no other reason than to save yourself if still posible from their crime and the crimes found on nearly every page of the christian bible and the other desert documents.

as taught by jesus.

 

[ding]

have you removed the fallacious 10 commandments claimed in that same document by the liar moses - yet. if for no other reason than to save yourself if still posible from their crime and the crimes found on nearly every page of the christian bible and the other desert documents.

as taught by jesus.

Matthew 28:19-20