Zone1 Have to now ask Trinitarians and Jehovah Witnesses

[Cougarbear]

Except, we're using two very different definitions of the word "first." Look it up.

Again, note that you had to change what I actually said. I did not say there are three separate being. I said three different personages, and noted these personages are not defined as Webster defines human personages. I noted a peek into the intellect of God.

Hopefully I won't have to keep calling you on changing words and also using alternate definitions.

What do you think a "Personage" is? Do you see the root word, "person?" Now, you say they aren't separate. What are they, Siamese triplets? In any event, you think a blob called God, a spirit, shifts into a human in the form of resurrected Jesus Christ. Then, shifts out of the human body back into a spirt something (whatever you claim a spirit is and looks like as a personage). Then, into a Holy Ghost that is in everyone. Uggg...

The last shall be first to the Lord. Not the oldest Church that went through centuries of apostasy and still in it.

 

[Cougarbear]

So you go with Joseph Smith, especially if you feel you were advised to do this. I prayed about it (age 14) and was told I was not to.

Joseph Smith prayed when he was 14 and saw the Father and Son. Who told you not to believe? Only one other and that would be Satan.

 

[Cougarbear]

Completely wrong and incorrect.

Quite right--your presentation of Trinity and your claim of how others present Trinity is in error, completely inaccurate.

Then, you explain how God presents himself three different ways without out changing His being or shape shifting? Please do explain. This should be fun.

 

[Cougarbear]

Unbelievable. No, not "according to me" because I've said no such thing. Therefore I think it best we conclude this discussion. Peace.

Now you have been shown that Jesus is a human being that has been resurrected. So, how does he then become the Holy Ghost too without shape shifting? Do tell instead of running. It's much more plausible that the Father was also resurrected in another life and universe. Then, he and his wife sealed for all eternity had children. Resurrected beings have spirit children and their intelligence which always existed is placed in our spirits. We could not progress to be like Father, so we descended to earth to gain a body. We are being tested so that those who pass can be exalted in the Celestial Glory Kingdom in Heaven (First Corinthians chapter 15) when resurrected. Jesus already has gone through this process and sits on the right hand of God with his lovely wife. Makes so much more sense than shapeshifting Gods.

 

[Foxfyre]

Colossians 2:9, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily."
There are many versus throughout the Bible both old and new testaments that says there is One God. Why is it that Trinitarians and Jehovah Witnesses together believe the word "ONE" refers to the number and not the unity of purpose and actions? Godhead means more than one personage. But, it also means the 3 personages of the GODHEAD are unified in purpose as one in purpose. So, why can "ONE GOD" not have three separate personages, Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

Why does anyone believe what they believe? I believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one but in three forms just as a gallon of water is one gallon of water but be in vapor, liquid, or solid form. But those who believe the Godhead are three separate entities can be of just as deep conviction and faith as those who believe they are one. I think God is far more interested in our faith and our love/obedience to Him and how we treat each other than he is interested in the various quirks of our theology.

And I still think when we meet in Heaven we're all going to have a good laugh at how much of all this we got wrong.

 

[Meriweather]

Do you see the root word, "person?" Now, you say they aren't separate.

NOT what I said. I said One Being. Three persons/personages--but not as one defines a human person, as a human person is also a separate and unique being from all others.

I do understand Trinity is a mystery, difficult to understand, difficult to explain. It is why I go back to intellect, one intellect generating/spirating Son and Holy Spirit within it, not birthing a new being to exist outside and separately. You're not working with me to understand Trinity.

 

[JoeB131]

Why is Kolob outrageous? It may not be a star we can see. It may be in another dimension. Not anything specific about it. But, why would it be outrageous for God to have a Celestial Home?

Well, no sillier than God sitting on a cloud, I suppose.

So does God actually LIVE on the star, or does he live on a planet orbiting the star? Does he have his own Starfleet of ships?

 

[JoeB131]

Joseph Smith prayed when he was 14 and saw the Father and Son. Who told you not to believe? Only one other and that would be Satan.

Don't Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers?

 

[Meriweather]

Joseph Smith prayed when he was 14 and saw the Father and Son. Who told you not to believe? Only one other and that would be Satan.

I had a personal experience of God while in prayer. Do you actually think I am going to ignore what God said to me in favor of second hand information from what a con man told someone? I've told you this before. The message was for me, that I should not follow the LDS faith as it was not for me. I've always added that the message was not that no one should follow the LDS faith--I was simply told I should not follow it.

Recall, I was fourteen years old when I picked up The Book of Mormon without knowing what it was. I began to read through it, and my first thought was, "Sounds like something a fourteen year old boy would write." But the book said to pray about what I was reading, and always in favor of prayer, I did just that--and was told that the LDS faith was not for me. If the LDS faith (or any faith) brings one closer to God, that is what matters.

 

[Meriweather]

Then, you explain how God presents himself three different ways without out changing His being or shape shifting? Please do explain. This should be fun.

You are the one that is into shape shifting. I said there is no such thing, so no need for me to explain a nothing.

 

[Meriweather]

Now you have been shown that Jesus is a human being that has been resurrected. So, how does he then become the Holy Ghost too without shape shifting? Do tell instead of running. It's much more plausible that the Father was also resurrected in another life and universe. Then, he and his wife sealed for all eternity had children. Resurrected beings have spirit children and their intelligence which always existed is placed in our spirits. We could not progress to be like Father, so we descended to earth to gain a body. We are being tested so that those who pass can be exalted in the Celestial Glory Kingdom in Heaven (First Corinthians chapter 15) when resurrected. Jesus already has gone through this process and sits on the right hand of God with his lovely wife. Makes so much more sense than shapeshifting Gods.

Jesus does not become the Holy Spirit. Jesus is not a shape shifter. There is no such thing in the Trinity, only in your own imaginings.

I know the LDS explanation, and I reject it.

 

[Cougarbear]

Don't Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers?

We believe you and Satan are also brothers. We all existed before this earth was in existence. Lucifer rebelled against Father in Heaven, the Father of our spirits. A third of Father’s children rebelled and were thrown out of heaven near Kolob. Those that descend and receive a human body are the other two-thirds. So yes, Satan is our brother and Jehovah’s as well. Jehovah came down and became Jesus.

 

[Cougarbear]

I had a personal experience of God while in prayer. Do you actually think I am going to ignore what God said to me in favor of second hand information from what a con man told someone? I've told you this before. The message was for me, that I should not follow the LDS faith as it was not for me. I've always added that the message was not that no one should follow the LDS faith--I was simply told I should not follow it.

Recall, I was fourteen years old when I picked up The Book of Mormon without knowing what it was. I began to read through it, and my first thought was, "Sounds like something a fourteen year old boy would write." But the book said to pray about what I was reading, and always in favor of prayer, I did just that--and was told that the LDS faith was not for me. If the LDS faith (or any faith) brings one closer to God, that is what matters.

A personal experience? Did you see God?

 

[Cougarbear]

You are the one that is into shape shifting. I said there is no such thing, so no need for me to explain a nothing.

Your explanation is shape shifting. No other way to explained what you write.

 

[Cougarbear]

Jesus does not become the Holy Spirit. Jesus is not a shape shifter. There is no such thing in the Trinity, only in your own imaginings.

I know the LDS explanation, and I reject it.

Then the three are separate and distinct personages as we teach.

 

[Meriweather]

Your explanation is shape shifting. No other way to explained what you write.

My explanation is not "shape shifting" and you maintaining it is does not make it so. It remains your explanation, not mine.

 

[Meriweather]

Then the three are separate and distinct personages as we teach.

Ah, but not the way the Catholic Church teaches. Distinct personages, not separate from God.

Again, I know what the LDS faith teaches and I reject it. It bears no resemblance to Catholic teaching.

 

[Cougarbear]

My explanation is not "shape shifting" and you maintaining it is does not make it so. It remains your explanation, not mine.

It’s my interpretation of your explanation. You haven’t given me any other possibilities.

 

[Cougarbear]

Ah, but not the way the Catholic Church teaches. Distinct personages, not separate from God.

Again, I know what the LDS faith teaches and I reject it. It bears no resemblance to Catholic teaching.

If you reject our teachings then you reject the Bible. As stated, God is a Godhead meaning a group of Gods or personages of the group of Gods. See, even though we believe there are three distinct separate personages, they are not separate from the Godhead.
So, another way I can interpret your idea is three separate personages with an umbilical cord attached to a central nervous system you call God. A computer. I would say there is no umbilical cord but a connection of unity and direction of the three. So, God is an idea. That’s why Godhead is so important to understand. It’s a position of authority and all powerful. The word God is the same, a position of authority and all powerful.

 

[Cougarbear]

I had a personal experience of God while in prayer. Do you actually think I am going to ignore what God said to me in favor of second hand information from what a con man told someone? I've told you this before. The message was for me, that I should not follow the LDS faith as it was not for me. I've always added that the message was not that no one should follow the LDS faith--I was simply told I should not follow it.

Recall, I was fourteen years old when I picked up The Book of Mormon without knowing what it was. I began to read through it, and my first thought was, "Sounds like something a fourteen year old boy would write." But the book said to pray about what I was reading, and always in favor of prayer, I did just that--and was told that the LDS faith was not for me. If the LDS faith (or any faith) brings one closer to God, that is what matters.

You still haven’t told me who told you?
As far as bringing a person closer to God, what does that even mean? Satan’s goal is to eternally separate you from the Godhead. One way is to keep people from the ordinances of exaltation performed by those with proper authority. The difference between terrestrial and celestial glory or kingdoms of heaven.