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[Cougarbear]

And who created him?

His father…

 

[JoeB131]

You are correct. He did not find them. They were given to him by the Lord to write. Would you tell the Lord you would not write them because you were afraid of being laughed and ridiculed? It’s funny to watch you traitor and tyrants fighting him in vain.

Actually, they found his papyri in the Chicago Historical Society. Turned out they were funerary scrolls from the Ptomoelic period.

Joseph Smith Lied Again.

 

[JoeB131]

His father…

You're not seeing the problem with the circular logic here, are you?

 

[Cougarbear]

Actually, they found his papyri in the Chicago Historical Society. Turned out they were funerary scrolls from the Ptomoelic period.

Joseph Smith Lied Again.

Turned out only a small part of it was actually found. You should do some real investigations by reading from both sides. But, you aren’t interested in anything but being a naysayer.

 

[Cougarbear]

You're not seeing the problem with the circular logic here, are you?

It’s not circular logic. How did you get here? Your mother and father. How did your father get here? His father. Is that circular logic? Take a logic class.

 

[JoeB131]

Turned out only a small part of it was actually found. You should do some real investigations by reading from both sides. But, you aren’t interested in anything but being a naysayer.

Well, yeah, I think Mormonism is a cult, Mormons are evil and stupid, and I have nothing but fun mocking your evil, stupid beliefs.

All the evidence points to Smith being a con man who realized that selling religion was easier than selling dowsing rods. So he scammed a lot of less-smart people out of their money and got to fuck their teenage daughters, but that just kind of makes him a creep.

It’s not circular logic. How did you get here? Your mother and father. How did your father get here? His father. Is that circular logic? Take a logic class.

I'm not a God. What you are saying is that there are an infinite lineage of Gods, all of whom must still be alive somewhere... so things on Kolob must be getting crowded.

 

[Cougarbear]

Well, yeah, I think Mormonism is a cult, Mormons are evil and stupid, and I have nothing but fun mocking your evil, stupid beliefs.

All the evidence points to Smith being a con man who realized that selling religion was easier than selling dowsing rods. So he scammed a lot of less-smart people out of their money and got to fuck their teenage daughters, but that just kind of makes him a creep.



I'm not a God. What you are saying is that there are an infinite lineage of Gods, all of whom must still be alive somewhere... so things on Kolob must be getting crowded.

Dumb response. You didn’t know that about the fragments found. Nice try.

 

[JoeB131]

Dumb response. You didn’t know that about the fragments found. Nice try.

Actually, I made the statement that the original papyri were discovered and ACCURATELY translated, and they have nothing to do with Abraham.

 

[Cougarbear]

Actually, I made the statement that the original papyri were discovered and ACCURATELY translated, and they have nothing to do with Abraham.

There is no evidence that Joseph Smith used those to do any translation. It’s more likely not. In fact, he may have used the things he had for inspiration and used the seer stones of the Urim and Thumim to write the Pearl of Great Price. Do some real study.

 

[JoeB131]

There is no evidence that Joseph Smith used those to do any translation. It’s more likely not. In fact, he may have used the things he had for inspiration and used the seer stones of the Urim and Thumim to write the Pearl of Great Price. Do some real study.

The drawings on the ones found in the museum match the ones in his book.

Come on, guy, I know you are in the cult and you'll get shunned if you actually engage in any critical thinking..

 

[Cougarbear]

The drawings on the ones found in the museum match the ones in his book.

Come on, guy, I know you are in the cult and you'll get shunned if you actually engage in any critical thinking..

So what? Doesn’t mean he translated a thing from it. The Book was written by the influence of the Holy Ghost using the seer stones.

 

[JoeB131]

So what? Doesn’t mean he translated a thing from it. The Book was written by the influence of the Holy Ghost using the seer stones.

Or it was written by a con man!

So let's review, shall we-

Book of Mormon- Golden Plates no one ever saw.
Book of Abraham - Scrolls that turned out to be something completely different
Kinderhook Tablets- Outright frauds made by Smith's neighbors trying to prank him, but he still claimed they were a testament from ancient times.

Oh, yeah, according to Mormonism, the Garden of Eden was in Missouri...

 

[Cougarbear]

Or it was written by a con man!

So let's review, shall we-

Book of Mormon- Golden Plates no one ever saw.
Book of Abraham - Scrolls that turned out to be something completely different
Kinderhook Tablets- Outright frauds made by Smith's neighbors trying to prank him, but he still claimed they were a testament from ancient times.

Oh, yeah, according to Mormonism, the Garden of Eden was in Missouri...

Book of Mormon, many saw them and swore testimony of them. You are wrong. Move on.
Book of Abraham, the scrolls that survived the fire were only a portion of the scrolls used to write the Book of Abraham and Pearl of Great Price. What you see aren't the ones used. Move on.
Kinderhook Plate, not tablets, were never attempted to translate them or use seer stones with them. The correct verbage from Joseph Smith is that he thought due to their location if they are true would be possibly records of those who came to the Americas after the Tower of Babel. It was just a statement. Not a conclusion of any kind. This has been debunked so many times I'm surprised you liars and naysayers still try to use it.
Yes, the Garden of Eden is in Missouri. And?

 

[JoeB131]

Book of Mormon, many saw them and swore testimony of them. You are wrong. Move on.

Did any non-mormons see them?

Book of Abraham, the scrolls that survived the fire were only a portion of the scrolls used to write the Book of Abraham and Pearl of Great Price. What you see aren't the ones used. Move on.

Enough of them survived to know that they weren't what what smith portrayed them as.

Kinderhook Plate, not tablets, were never attempted to translate them or use seer stones with them. The correct verbage from Joseph Smith is that he thought due to their location if they are true would be possibly records of those who came to the Americas after the Tower of Babel. It was just a statement. Not a conclusion of any kind. This has been debunked so many times I'm surprised you liars and naysayers still try to use it.

The plates were held as valid by the Church until 1962.

They were definitively identified as a hoax in 1980.

Kinderhook plates - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, the Garden of Eden is in Missouri. And?

Is it near Branson?

 

[Cougarbear]

Did any non-mormons see them?



Enough of them survived to know that they weren't what what smith portrayed them as.



The plates were held as valid by the Church until 1962.

They were definitively identified as a hoax in 1980.

Kinderhook plates - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is it near Branson?

The Church wasn’t formed yet. And, those that testified seeing them never denied seeing them and knew the Book of Mormon is true. Even those who left the Church. Not even on their death bed denied it.