Zone1 Have to now ask Trinitarians and Jehovah Witnesses

[surada]

Why is Kolob outrageous? It may not be a star we can see. It may be in another dimension. Not anything specific about it. But, why would it be outrageous for God to have a Celestial Home?

Because Joseph Smith invented the book of Abraham.

 

[surada]

Book of Abraham Translation

How did Joseph Smith translate the Book of Abraham? Where did Joseph Smith obtain Egyptian papyri? Could Joseph Smith read Egyptian?

mormonr.org

Traditional biblical chronology puts the life of Abraham at around 2,000 BC,[23] but the papyri date to approximately the third-century BC to the first century AD.

Joseph's mother, Lucy Mack Smith,[BIO] reportedly said that Joseph translated the papyri by looking into a hat.

 

[Meriweather]

It’s my interpretation of your explanation. You haven’t given me any other possibilities.

Please don't lay your limitations on me. They are your own.

 

[Meriweather]

If you reject our teachings then you reject the Bible.

Your teachings are not Biblical, and that is why I reject them. I find the twists and spins the LDS faith puts on some Biblical passages quite dreadful. But then, look at the twists and spins you put on my own explanation of Trinity, so I shouldn't expect anything less as I am aware of what that you do with the Bible.

 

[Meriweather]

You still haven’t told me who told you?

I did. Again, you were not listening as you immediately put your own twist and spin on it, and I am not about to lay pearls, something precious, before swine.

Try listening for once. Because the topic seemed to interest you, I truly tried for a reasonable and peaceful discussion on Trinity and the differences between LDS teachings and other teachings on Trinity.

If you and others of the LDS faith wish to believe God was once human, has a wife, and begot his son in the way/meaning of how humans beget children--and that you will one day be gods of your own planets, I am not even going to try to change your mind or your beliefs. But, I will not join in and I will not discuss them, because I find them as mad as the proverbial hatter. Unbelievable that someone would give up Judaism for this.

 

[JoeB131]

We believe you and Satan are also brothers. We all existed before this earth was in existence. Lucifer rebelled against Father in Heaven, the Father of our spirits. A third of Father’s children rebelled and were thrown out of heaven near Kolob. Those that descend and receive a human body are the other two-thirds. So yes, Satan is our brother and Jehovah’s as well. Jehovah came down and became Jesus.

Yes, Joseph Smith conned you stupid people into believing a lot of crazy shit.

So, how is it that no one heard of Kolob before 1840?

 

[JoeB131]

Because Joseph Smith invented the book of Abraham.

No, he didn't. He acquired some Ptomoleic-era funerary scrolls and made up a story based on the pictures.

 

[surada]

No, he didn't. He acquired some Ptomoleic-era funerary scrolls and made up a story based on the pictures.

His mom said he "translated" them by looking into a hat.

 

[JoeB131]

His mom said he "translated" them by looking into a hat.

I think that was the magic golden plates that no-one ever saw and God took back to heaven.

 

[Cougarbear]

Because Joseph Smith invented the book of Abraham.

That’s your take. Not mine. Again, why do you believe God does not have a celestial home? Remember, the Gods and the angels worked for 6 days and then rested. Where?

 

[Cougarbear]

Please don't lay your limitations on me. They are your own.

I have no limitations. I reason logically with the information given. It’s your words back at you.

 

[JoeB131]

That’s your take. Not mine. Again, why do you believe God does not have a celestial home? Remember, the Gods and the angels worked for 6 days and then rested. Where?

So who created God and his celestial home?

 

[Cougarbear]

Yes, Joseph Smith conned you stupid people into believing a lot of crazy shit.

So, how is it that no one heard of Kolob before 1840?

Abraham did.

 

[JoeB131]

Abraham did.

really?

Point out in the Old Testament where he did.

 

[Cougarbear]

really?

Point out in the Old Testament where he did.

There are books missing from the OT. You do know this, don’t you? Including the Book of Abraham and much of what Moses wrote as well.

 

[irosie91]

i like that interpretation. godhead being singular (and congruent with the universe itself. )

as a "spiritual " entity, it really dpes not matter what pronouns god uses. if any.

The OT was written in Hebrew. Jesus spoke aramaic---and also was, according to the account in the NT, literate in Hebrew. How does one say "GODHEAD" in hebrew and/or aramaic? The word used in Hebrew for the "one" idea is "echad"----which in all its
various permutations returns to ONE----'one and only' 'no other' As to THE HOLY GHOST ---shechinah is more like the essence of
an incorporeal "thing" that lands here and there (and anywhere)
but is not a separate ego from the basic incorporeal thing. Angels
are constructs that have no separate personalities---just constructed to serve a purpose for the one and only incorporeal EGO

 

[Cougarbear]

So who created God and his celestial home?

God’s Father.

 

[JoeB131]

There are books missing from the OT. You do know this, don’t you? Including the Book of Abraham and much of what Moses wrote as well.

Well, no, there probably aren't.

But if there were, Joseph Smith didn't find them.

 

[JoeB131]

God’s Father.

And who created him?

 

[Cougarbear]

Well, no, there probably aren't.

But if there were, Joseph Smith didn't find them.

You are correct. He did not find them. They were given to him by the Lord to write. Would you tell the Lord you would not write them because you were afraid of being laughed and ridiculed? It’s funny to watch you traitor and tyrants fighting him in vain.