Guns are to blame--not people.

[Superbadbrutha]

How about a domestic violence victim?

Why would you punish a victim.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yeah, Ray, a lot of your stories are questionable. You either are perfectly healthy or you are on death's door. You are either a brilliant investor or you are desperately in need of government assistance. You either live in a nice neighborhood or you live in an urban jungle where people are shooting each other. But what I don't see is you doing much of anything to improve your position. YOu just come in and complain about how others have made your life miserable.

As I stated I'm doing just fine. I only have perhaps a few more years left on this planet so why should I work until my last breath? That would be pretty stupid. I may not even have that long, it depends on how successful the chemo is doing which I won't know for several weeks when they take a look at it. With disability you don't have to be on deaths door to collect. Their standards are if you cannot reasonably make a living due to health conditions. I've posted links for you before, but you'd rather remain ignorant so you never read them.

 

[JoeB131]

Anybody with a brain would take a better paying job and not risk getting their auto insurance jacked up to nearly unaffordable levels and of course much safer since those people are getting car jacked, assaulted or killed all the time. McDonald's pays better in the long run.

yes, Ray, we get that. Everyone has an excuse. Frankly, people have been delivering food for decades... Door Dash just made it more efficient.

You didn't drive shit. A small straight truck if that. So did I but it didn't pay enough so I upgraded to a tractor-trailer license. I figured it's just a truck like I always drove and just have to make some minor adjustments. Boy was I wrong. When I first got behind the wheel I realized this is no straight truck. It's a completely different vehicle. Anybody can drive a straight truck. They rent them at U-Haul to people that never drove one all the time.

And...um.... so what? I mean, you are trying to make a big deal out of a career that wasn't that complicated, and left you with zero skills to fall back on.

Meanwhile, I get at least one call a week from someone who wants to hire me for a purchasing job, just off my LinkedIn profile.

Yeah, because she (and you) knew of all the medical problems those people had, huh? You both knew they could all do any job they wanted. She must have been a lib too.

Well, she was a registered nurse for 40 years, so I am guessing she could tell a really sick person from a malingerer. Even with degraded eyesight.

The point is if somebody wants to kill, they are going to kill, and not having access to a gun won't stop them. it will only stop victims from protecting themselves which happens over a million times a year in this country.

Yet countries than ban guns have nowhere near our murder rates. Funny how that works.

 

[JoeB131]

As I stated I'm doing just fine. I only have perhaps a few more years left on this planet so why should I work until my last breath? That would be pretty stupid. I may not even have that long, it depends on how successful the chemo is doing which I won't know for several weeks when they take a look at it. With disability you don't have to be on deaths door to collect. Their standards are if you cannot reasonably make a living due to health conditions. I've posted links for you before, but you'd rather remain ignorant so you never read them.

I actually couldn't imagine a time when I don't work. I've been working since I was 16 and I turn 60 in May. I honest never expected to live to my 60's...

As much as I give you guff, I hope your Chemo turns out well. Both of my parents died in their 50's from cancer, so I know it's a tough road, man.

My point on disability, stands, though. If you aren't crippled or blind, you should work. If our system lets you get away with less than that without having a retraining program, then it's broken. I also feel the same way about most assistance programs. There should be a work component.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I actually couldn't imagine a time when I don't work. I've been working since I was 16 and I turn 60 in May. I honest never expected to live to my 60's...

As much as I give you guff, I hope your Chemo turns out well. Both of my parents died in their 50's from cancer, so I know it's a tough road, man.

My point on disability, stands, though. If you aren't crippled or blind, you should work. If our system lets you get away with less than that without having a retraining program, then it's broken. I also feel the same way about most assistance programs. There should be a work component.

If I were 35 year old you'd have a point. But when you lose your entire career at the age of 60, at the beginning of the worst pandemic people alive today have never seen, you're not going to get a new career. I'd go to school or training and what, try to be a rookie in a new field at 61 or 62? Who would hire anybody like that?

When Commie Care got my employer to drop our coverage, I went looking for a new job in my field of work. Nobody offering that benefit would hire me. Mind you I had an outstanding driving record, a perfect license with no points, years of experience, and because of my age and medical problems (which I'm required by law to alert any potential employer) nobody would even give me the time of day, even during the best economic years of this country where employers were desperate to find drivers. The only possible reason for that was my age and medical problems.

I was going to retire at the age of 62 anyway, so it wasn't worth my time; that and our experts in virology and the government told people like me if there was any possibility to stay home, then stay home. We didn't have a vaccine out until after a year when I left work which took me to the age of 61. So I applied for disability and was almost immediately accepted with no resistance whatsoever.

In short I actually retired a year earlier than I was going to retire anyway. Now that my months or years are numbered, what idiot would go back to work if they could?

 

[hadit]

Why would you punish a victim.

How would it punish someone if we allowed them to be armed?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

How would it punish someone if we allowed them to be armed?

I am saying the victim should be armed.

 

[JoeB131]

HOly shit, look at all the excuses... Did your ancestors come from France?

f I were 35 year old you'd have a point. But when you lose your entire career at the age of 60, at the beginning of the worst pandemic people alive today have never seen, you're not going to get a new career. I'd go to school or training and what, try to be a rookie in a new field at 61 or 62? Who would hire anybody like that?

Really? I see a lot of people starting new careers at 60. The oldest client I ever had as a resume writer was a man in his 80's! (Although he was more trying to keep busy than needing the money).

When Commie Care got my employer to drop our coverage, I went looking for a new job in my field of work. Nobody offering that benefit would hire me. Mind you I had an outstanding driving record, a perfect license with no points, years of experience, and because of my age and medical problems (which I'm required by law to alert any potential employer) nobody would even give me the time of day, even during the best economic years of this country where employers were desperate to find drivers. The only possible reason for that was my age and medical problems.

This statement tells me a bunch of stuff.

First, your employer didn't give enough of a fuck about you to even TRY go get you new insurance.
Secondly, how hard did you try?

Sometimes I think you just enjoy being miserable.

I was going to retire at the age of 62 anyway, so it wasn't worth my time; that and our experts in virology and the government told people like me if there was any possibility to stay home, then stay home. We didn't have a vaccine out until after a year when I left work which took me to the age of 61. So I applied for disability and was almost immediately accepted with no resistance whatsoever.

Again, excuses, excuses, excuses....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

HOly shit, look at all the excuses... Did your ancestors come from France?



Really? I see a lot of people starting new careers at 60. The oldest client I ever had as a resume writer was a man in his 80's! (Although he was more trying to keep busy than needing the money).



This statement tells me a bunch of stuff.

First, your employer didn't give enough of a fuck about you to even TRY go get you new insurance.
Secondly, how hard did you try?

Sometimes I think you just enjoy being miserable.



Again, excuses, excuses, excuses....

If somebody is stupid enough to pay for a resume at the age of 60, then that's on them if they want to try and find a job nobody will hire them for. Again, you are full of shit. As for myself, I'm a bit smarter than that and I happen to live in reality. But this is something too confusing for you to understand called common sense. I'm not trying to insult you, most leftists don't have common sense. That's why they vote Democrat.

Common sense dictates that I'm older now, and I no longer have what it takes to obtain a job that pays any kind of livable wage. Common sense tells me I no longer have the physical abilities to work minimum wage jobs that keep me on my feet all day. When I do work around here, it's a back break every 10 to 15 minutes. Common sense tells me it's time to retire albeit early if I'm forced into it. Common sense tells me I worked all of my life and paid into these programs for use if needed, and it would be stupid not to use them. Common sense tells me since I only have X amount of time left here, to relax and use the time I have for better things than working for somebody else.

You see, this is all common sense.

 

[JoeB131]

If somebody is stupid enough to pay for a resume at the age of 60, then that's on them if they want to try and find a job nobody will hire them for.

Uh, guy, let's get real. Age discrimination IS a real problem, but not an insurmountable one.

In many ways, older workers are desirable... they are more experienced, they are more reliable than a Millennial who changes jobs every two years.

Again, you are full of shit. As for myself, I'm a bit smarter than that and I happen to live in reality. But this is something too confusing for you to understand called common sense. I'm not trying to insult you, most leftists don't have common sense. That's why they vote Democrat.

Again- You live in a slum, you hate your neighbors and you rely on the government to support you and pay for your medical bills. And you always have an excuse or someone else to blame.

Common sense dictates that I'm older now, and I no longer have what it takes to obtain a job that pays any kind of livable wage.

Well, with that defeatist attitude, probably not.

Common sense tells me I worked all of my life and paid into these programs for use if needed, and it would be stupid not to use them. Common sense tells me since I only have X amount of time left here, to relax and use the time I have for better things than working for somebody else.

Yeah, but then you don't get to whine about Communism when other people are now paying your way.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The biggest problem in Ohio is that our gun laws simply are not strong enough. Domestic violence policy expert Julia Webber serves as the implementation director of the Gifford’s Law Center, a national organization striving to make America safer by working to end gun violence.

“So, unfortunately, and tragically, too many people who have lost their lives as a result of domestic violence and how often that’s been connected to use of firearms,” said Webber.

While federal laws are in place, the Gifford’s Law Center says Ohio doesn’t have any laws stopping people who are convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence from buying firearms or ammunition and the same goes for those who have domestic violence protective orders against them.

The center said there are also no state laws requiring the removal or surrender of firearms from a suspect when a protection order is issued in domestic violence cases.

“We want to ensure that we actually allow for relinquishment, and surrender or seizure, if necessary, to ensure that those firearms are separated from someone who’s about to be violent,” Webber said.

Domestic violence cases on the rise in Ohio, experts believe state’s gun laws to blame

Domestic violence cases on the rise in Ohio, experts believe our state’s gun laws are to blame

www.cleveland19.com

When you ask leftists about the government taking our guns, they say nobody wants to take away your guns. Well here is a leftist that says they do.

What this kook is saying is that if your girlfriend or wife files a protection order against you, the government should be allowed to come to your home and take away your firearms even if no violence was involved. Simply get a protection order and that's all that should be needed to violate your constitutional rights. What is a misdemeanor domestic violence? I never heard of it, so I looked it up. Here is what I found for our state:

Threatening to cause harm to a family member or household member, even if you do not physically assault the person, can still result in a fourth-degree misdemeanor.

So if you tell your girlfriend or wife "Yeah, and I'll slap you around" you can be charged with this misdemeanor domestic violence law and have your firearms taken away just for that if it was up to this Julia Weber person.

If they magically get rid of the guns then the husbands can just beat their wives to death and the victim can not protect themselves. Of course none of this is about protecting people from gun violence. Criminals by their very nature do not follow the law. It's about disarming law abiding citizens. One of the first things a tyrannical government does is get rid of the firearms held by the populace.

 

[JoeB131]

If they magically get rid of the guns then the husbands can just beat their wives to death and the victim can not protect themselves. Of course none of this is about protecting people from gun violence. Criminals by their very nature do not follow the law. It's about disarming law abiding citizens. One of the first things a tyrannical government does is get rid of the firearms held by the populace.

Tryannical governments rarely have to disarm anyone... because they only happen when the people become awful.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Tryannical governments rarely have to disarm anyone... because they only happen when the people become awful.

What ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If they magically get rid of the guns then the husbands can just beat their wives to death and the victim can not protect themselves. Of course none of this is about protecting people from gun violence. Criminals by their very nature do not follow the law. It's about disarming law abiding citizens. One of the first things a tyrannical government does is get rid of the firearms held by the populace.

It goes beyond that actually.

Democrats are not stupid, they only act that way. They know damn well that if you disarm the public, it would create massive crime. Just look at the commie cities that want to or did defund their police. Look at the places that got liberal DA's and prosecutors that let the criminals go. A 30% increase in violent crime. Most all of these places are in states with the strictest gun laws where even if you carry and shoot somebody, the law is on the side of the criminal.

We end up with Big Crime. So how do we defend ourselves from Big Crime? The same way we defended ourselves against big tobacco, big pharma, big corporations, and that's with a bigger government.

A virtual national takeover of our police would would have to happen which would be through the door of government funding of our police departments. if you want fed money, you will do things the fed way. What we end up with is a police state all ran by the federal government.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Uh, guy, let's get real. Age discrimination IS a real problem, but not an insurmountable one.

In many ways, older workers are desirable... they are more experienced, they are more reliable than a Millennial who changes jobs every two years.

Oh please. My former employer hired retired guys to make van deliveries. There are just as many boobs among the elderly as there are younger people.

Again- You live in a slum, you hate your neighbors and you rely on the government to support you and pay for your medical bills. And you always have an excuse or someone else to blame.

So WTF does that have to do with my comment? I would love to get rid of the scum in our neighborhood, but dumb people keep voting Democrat who promote putting lowlifes in nice areas turning them into slums. You're not a real Democrat unless you are ruining things for good people.

Yeah, but then you don't get to whine about Communism when other people are now paying your way.

What does communism have to do with social programs?

 

[JoeB131]

So WTF does that have to do with my comment? I would love to get rid of the scum in our neighborhood, but dumb people keep voting Democrat who promote putting lowlifes in nice areas turning them into slums. You're not a real Democrat unless you are ruining things for good people.

I lived in a neighborhood with Section 8 people... Didn't turn our area into a slum. Businesses didn't close. Nobody got mugged at night. I think the worst thing we had happen is that Amazon boxes vanish if you don't grab them quick enough.

What does communism have to do with social programs?

Okay, so we can define "Communism" as "any Social Program Ray doesn't use!"

 

[JoeB131]

Democrats are not stupid, they only act that way. They know damn well that if you disarm the public, it would create massive crime. Just look at the commie cities that want to or did defund their police. Look at the places that got liberal DA's and prosecutors that let the criminals go. A 30% increase in violent crime. Most all of these places are in states with the strictest gun laws where even if you carry and shoot somebody, the law is on the side of the criminal.

Crime went up across the country, not just in the cities... and it had more to do with people being couped up than the police not being able to do Driving While Black stops.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Crime went up across the country, not just in the cities... and it had more to do with people being couped up than the police not being able to do Driving While Black stops.

Oh, that myth about driving while black, as if police have nothing better to do. QUIT WATCHING MOVIES ON TELEVISION! You think television is reality.

It has nothing to do with being cooped up. Why would being cooped up have anything to do with people leaving their homes and committing murder? People cooped up in white suburbs don't do that.

All these prosecutors are criminals themselves and don't lock up the bad guys, like that pig running your city. When criminals understand they can get away with just about anything, of course they commit more crime.

 

[woodwork201]

Overnight, gun stores popped up in the city and our murder rate doubled.

This is a direct lie.....there are no gun stores or shooting ranges within the city limits of Chicago.......not one.

And the murders that have increased are not being committed with guns that the murderer bought at the nearby gunstores, either.

 

[woodwork201]

Ray, it's kind of hard to take you seriously whining about "Communists" when only one of us is living on the Public Dole.

So you're saying that all these dissidents in the Soviet Union were actually communists because they ate communist potatoes and slept in communist apartments?

Soviet dissidents - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Because we have a socialist government and that government takes from us and gives us a socialist dole, does not make us communists or socialists.