Guns are to blame--not people.

[JoeB131]

Maybe, but now that I'm no longer working, it provides me with the income I need to live very comfortably. It worked out as I planned with the exception of becoming ill.

Unlike you who lost your ass during the beginning of the DumBama years, I was with an investment company that not only survived, but did great because of the recession. Unless you have the education and experience in finances, you don't handle your own money for something long term like retirement. It only costs a few bucks for maintenance fees every year on your account, and worth every dime.

You are living in a slum and you require government assistance. You are not doing well.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are living in a slum and you require government assistance. You are not doing well.

I'm doing just dandy, again with the exception of medical problems. I paid for that government assistance so why not use it? It would be stupid not to. In May I'll also be on Medicare, another program I paid for. That will save me even more money since I currently pay my own medical bills and prescriptions.

So don't worry about me, worry more about yourself. You badly need psychological help but don't have the guts to get it. It's destroying your life and you don't even realize it.

 

[woodwork201]

Well, let's take my neighbor. He shot out a window. When the police responded, he lied at first saying someone shot in at him, but that was quickly disproven by the glass shatter pattern. At the point, the cops SHOULD have confiscated his gun. But they didn't.

A couple weeks later, he killed himself with that same gun.

Let's get real here, you guys are already holding the rest of us hostage with your fetish, as we never know when one of you is going to go Full Lanza and shoot up a school or a mall or a theater.

Then you, and your local school, should be armed so you can defend yourselves.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then you, and your local school, should be armed so you can defend yourselves.

That will never happen in Chi-cago.

Our motto: The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Their motto: The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is take guns away from all the good guys.,

 

[JoeB131]

I'm doing just dandy, again with the exception of medical problems. I paid for that government assistance so why not use it? It would be stupid not to. In May I'll also be on Medicare, another program I paid for. That will save me even more money since I currently pay my own medical bills and prescriptions.

Oh, I agree, you should totally use it.

Just don't come here whining about "Communism".

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh, I agree, you should totally use it.

Just don't come here whining about "Communism".

Why not? Nobody asked me to be part of the system. It's automatic if you work for a living or produce income on your own. It's like auto insurance. The law is if you drive you must pay for it. If you get into an accident, their promise is they will cover the costs since that's what you paid for.

 

[JoeB131]

Why not? Nobody asked me to be part of the system. It's automatic if you work for a living or produce income on your own. It's like auto insurance. The law is if you drive you must pay for it. If you get into an accident, their promise is they will cover the costs since that's what you paid for.

Not really comparable, as you pay more the more accidents you are involved in. You pay more if you get moving violations as well.

And yes, the insurance companies can actually find excuses to not pay you, or even drop your coverage after certain circumstances.

So it's not like Middle Class entitlements/White People Welfare at all.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not really comparable, as you pay more the more accidents you are involved in. You pay more if you get moving violations as well.

And yes, the insurance companies can actually find excuses to not pay you, or even drop your coverage after certain circumstances.

So it's not like Middle Class entitlements/White People Welfare at all.

That's exactly what it is except it's run by government instead of private industry. It works the exact same way as auto insurance:

You must have auto insurance to drive a vehicle. You must contribute to these social programs if you work or produce income.

We are promised coverage for car accidents if we need it for the money we paid. We were promised medical and retirement benefits if needed for the money we paid.

If you never have an accident or stolen car, all that money you paid is gone. If you are healthy until you die before retirement, all that money you paid is gone.

The money you pay is actually used for accident benefits other people have at the time. The money you pay for social programs are used for people who are retired and need medical coverage at the time.

The only difference between government sponsored programs and private sponsored programs is private industry invests your premium money and government puts it under a mattress until needed.

 

[JoeB131]

That's exactly what it is except it's run by government instead of private industry. It works the exact same way as auto insurance:

You must have auto insurance to drive a vehicle. You must contribute to these social programs if you work or produce income.

We are promised coverage for car accidents if we need it for the money we paid. We were promised medical and retirement benefits if needed for the money we paid.

If you never have an accident or stolen car, all that money you paid is gone. If you are healthy until you die before retirement, all that money you paid is gone.

Um, not exactly... so many flaws in your argument... so many.

First, most people live to collect Social Security. The vast majority of people never get into a serious accident.

Second, as stated, the insurance companies can refuse to insure you if you get DUI's, multiple moving violations or have too many accidents. Or they can charge you exorbitantly.

Because it is privately run, the insurance companies always make money. Social Security is operated at a loss. We are going to take care of everyone. Even malingerers like you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Um, not exactly... so many flaws in your argument... so many.

First, most people live to collect Social Security. The vast majority of people never get into a serious accident.

Second, as stated, the insurance companies can refuse to insure you if you get DUI's, multiple moving violations or have too many accidents. Or they can charge you exorbitantly.

Because it is privately run, the insurance companies always make money. Social Security is operated at a loss. We are going to take care of everyone. Even malingerers like you.

That has nothing to do with the fact they both operate the exact same way. You pay money, you were promised X when and if you need the benefits, and they provide you what you were promised. Simple as that.

If you don't like the programs, neither do I. Petition your comrades to end them. That's all. GW tried to get that started, but the commies had a shit fit and he couldn't get his SS reform plan done.

 

[JoeB131]

That has nothing to do with the fact they both operate the exact same way. You pay money, you were promised X when and if you need the benefits, and they provide you what you were promised. Simple as that.

If you don't like the programs, neither do I. Petition your comrades to end them. That's all. GW tried to get that started, but the commies had a shit fit and he couldn't get his SS reform plan done.

And a good thing he did... imagine the mess we'd be in if he had done that when the Market Crashed.

I have no problem with the program... I just think it's funny that you whine all day about "Commies" when you are sucking off the government teet.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And a good thing he did... imagine the mess we'd be in if he had done that when the Market Crashed.

I have no problem with the program... I just think it's funny that you whine all day about "Commies" when you are sucking off the government teet.

I'm not sucking off of anything when I collect from a program I paid into. Your lack of education doesn't allow you to understand that. Communism has zero to do with it. I had no choice but to pay into the programs so now that I need them, I expect them to live up to their promise which so far they have. You can object to having to be insured on your car, or your house if you still have a mortgage, but only an idiot wouldn't collect from something they paid into all of their lives if needed.

If it were up to me government wouldn't be involved in any of these things. Retirement and disability would be handled by private companies instead, but like I said, we have no choice.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not sucking off of anything when I collect from a program I paid into. Your lack of education doesn't allow you to understand that. Communism has zero to do with it. I had no choice but to pay into the programs so now that I need them, I expect them to live up to their promise which so far they have. You can object to having to be insured on your car, or your house if you still have a mortgage, but only an idiot wouldn't collect from something they paid into all of their lives if needed.

If it were up to me government wouldn't be involved in any of these things. Retirement and disability would be handled by private companies instead, but like I said, we have no choice.

Here's the thing. I don't burn down my house or crash my car intentionally because I want to get back what I am owed.

So your analogy is flawed. You've stated that you want to take Disability, not because you are crippled, but because you don't want to take work that pays slightly less.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Here's the thing. I don't burn down my house or crash my car intentionally because I want to get back what I am owed.

So your analogy is flawed. You've stated that you want to take Disability, not because you are crippled, but because you don't want to take work that pays slightly less.

Non-skilled labor pays a lot less than what I did. WTF do you think tractor-trailer drivers make anyway, especially great ones like myself?

It's your analogy that's flawed. Nobody burned down the house. A government doctor determined that I'm too medically Fd up to work. The doctors at SS agreed with him. I surrendered all my medical records to SS and told them I'd be glad to undergo any testing or medical examination by their people that they requested. I have nothing to hide.

But I'm not about to go find some minimum wage job somewhere that doesn't even give me the ability to pay for my medication yet alone other bills and no medical coverage. That would be completely stupid especially given the fact I paid for something so I didn't have to struggle at retirement or if I did become too disabled to do my job.

What you're pissed off about is your late sister was denied disability because they believed she still had the ability to make a decent living. Well they didn't believe the same for me. That's why they only needed my medical records to determine I was no longer able to work, and even placed me in the category of never being able to return to work.

 

[2aguy]

Non-skilled labor pays a lot less than what I did. WTF do you think tractor-trailer drivers make anyway, especially great ones like myself?

It's your analogy that's flawed. Nobody burned down the house. A government doctor determined that I'm too medically Fd up to work. The doctors at SS agreed with him. I surrendered all my medical records to SS and told them I'd be glad to undergo any testing or medical examination by their people that they requested. I have nothing to hide.

But I'm not about to go find some minimum wage job somewhere that doesn't even give me the ability to pay for my medication yet alone other bills and no medical coverage. That would be completely stupid especially given the fact I paid for something so I didn't have to struggle at retirement or if I did become too disabled to do my job.

What you're pissed off about is your late sister was denied disability because they believed she still had the ability to make a decent living. Well they didn't believe the same for me. That's why they only needed my medical records to determine I was no longer able to work, and even placed me in the category of never being able to return to work.

Ray.....I would stop engaging joe.......he isn't worth that kind of effort....he is a fascist who would gladly arrest, jail, and support any number of violent acts against innocent people if he ever had the chance to support actual leftist monsters.....not worth your time....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ray.....I would stop engaging joe.......he isn't worth that kind of effort....he is a fascist who would gladly arrest, jail, and support any number of violent acts against innocent people if he ever had the chance to support actual leftist monsters.....not worth your time....

Thanks guy but I come here for entertainment. It's like when you have a laser pen and keep running your cats head into the coffee table. Cruel? Perhaps, but you can't help but to laugh.

 

[JoeB131]

Non-skilled labor pays a lot less than what I did. WTF do you think tractor-trailer drivers make anyway, especially great ones like myself?

It's your analogy that's flawed. Nobody burned down the house. A government doctor determined that I'm too medically Fd up to work. The doctors at SS agreed with him. I surrendered all my medical records to SS and told them I'd be glad to undergo any testing or medical examination by their people that they requested. I have nothing to hide.

And never bothered to make any effort to gain other skills. There's nothing keeping you from being an Uber Driver or working for a livery service. You just want that sweet, sweet government cheese.

But I'm not about to go find some minimum wage job somewhere that doesn't even give me the ability to pay for my medication yet alone other bills and no medical coverage. That would be completely stupid especially given the fact I paid for something so I didn't have to struggle at retirement or if I did become too disabled to do my job.

So you decided that you like communism when communism works for you. We get it man. Just don't go around advocating an "every man for himself" philosophy.

What you're pissed off about is your late sister was denied disability because they believed she still had the ability to make a decent living. Well they didn't believe the same for me. That's why they only needed my medical records to determine I was no longer able to work, and even placed me in the category of never being able to return to work.

Well, my sister was the kind of person who wasn't looking to game the system. She really wanted to work. At family gatherings, she would stop to do someone else's dishes, because that's how she was.

 

[Ivan88]

In this case it was a people; The new Secretary of something parking her car:

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And never bothered to make any effort to gain other skills. There's nothing keeping you from being an Uber Driver or working for a livery service. You just want that sweet, sweet government cheese.

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So you decided that you like communism when communism works for you. We get it man. Just don't go around advocating an "every man for himself" philosophy.



Well, my sister was the kind of person who wasn't looking to game the system. She really wanted to work. At family gatherings, she would stop to do someone else's dishes, because that's how she was.

I see, so your sister was young and healthy enough to work. That's probably why she was denied benefits. No, I never bothered to learn any new skills. Not many people do unless it's related to their training or education. Why would you learn a new blue collar trade when you already have one? That would be pretty stupid because you'd have to quit your current trade to get training and experience at another one. I couldn't go back to a different trade after driving for over 30 years. Any training or experience would be outdated by the time you got back to that line of work. A livery truck? Another unskilled job that pays nothing. Uber is even worse. Yes I checked into it already. That's why they post daily ads year round.

Besides Uber not paying anything, it's a tax issue that takes a lot of time to work on. But I've been in the transportation business long enough to know whatever you make must include vehicle replacement cost. Most rookies don't even think of that. So when you add vehicle replacement cost or lease, fuel, maintenance and repair, record keeping and taxes, you would make more serving fries at McDonald's, and it's safer too as Uber drivers constantly get robbed or car jacked. What do you think that does to your insurance rates?

The problem is you opine on things you have no knowledge or experience at or put any serious thought into it. You live in the past as well. Non-skilled labor doesn't pay enough to live on, and it's discussed on USMB constantly. The days of making 50K a year turning nuts onto bolts are long gone and it's not coming back. Today you need a trade or profession to live a middle-class lifestyle.

 

[JoeB131]

I see, so your sister was young and healthy enough to work. That's probably why she was denied benefits.

You mean other than being legally blind? She just wasn't as good at scamming the system as you are... probably because she was an honest person with a work ethic.

No, I never bothered to learn any new skills. Not many people do unless it's related to their training or education. Why would you learn a new blue collar trade when you already have one? That would be pretty stupid because you'd have to quit your current trade to get training and experience at another one. I couldn't go back to a different trade after driving for over 30 years. Any training or experience would be outdated by the time you got back to that line of work. A livery truck? Another unskilled job that pays nothing. Uber is even worse. Yes I checked into it already. That's why they post daily ads year round.

Well, to start with, because you knew years ago that what you were allowed to drive was limited, and would become more limited.

I'm sure you will always have an excuse, Welfare Ray. Welfare people always do. Just like the Escort Service Whore thinks she is better than the streetwalker.

Besides Uber not paying anything, it's a tax issue that takes a lot of time to work on. But I've been in the transportation business long enough to know whatever you make must include vehicle replacement cost. Most rookies don't even think of that. So when you add vehicle replacement cost or lease, fuel, maintenance and repair, record keeping and taxes, you would make more serving fries at McDonald's, and it's safer too as Uber drivers constantly get robbed or car jacked. What do you think that does to your insurance rates?

Excuses, excuses, excuses.. I know a lot of folks who use Uber to supplement their income, and they are fine. But they have a work ethic.

The problem is you opine on things you have no knowledge or experience at or put any serious thought into it. You live in the past as well. Non-skilled labor doesn't pay enough to live on, and it's discussed on USMB constantly. The days of making 50K a year turning nuts onto bolts are long gone and it's not coming back. Today you need a trade or profession to live a middle-class lifestyle.

Why do you think driving in a straight line merits a living wage?

My view, anyone who works for a living should get a living wage, full stop. It's absurd that McDonald's pays it's CEO eight figures when the company is losing money and they can't pay the wage slaves a living wage.