"Free Palestine

[aris2chat]

also .....

Death on Display Sedlec Ossuary

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well you are close.

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Map you provided does not have the boundary or borders to Palestine as you suggest Palestine to be.

What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

I don't see your point.

(COMMENT)

The borders marked on the map are the borders to the territory covered by the Mandate for Palestine, and the Government of Palestine (that of the Mandatory, UK).

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,...​

The Mandate was not Palestine. It worked inside Palestine with no land or borders of it own.

Didn't Britain say that Palestine would continue to be a legal entity after the Mandate left.

The 1949 UN armistice recognized the continued existence of Palestine and its international boundaries.

(COMMENT)

To correct your comment: The Mandate formed a government over a specific territory --- Palestine as defined by the Order in Council.

Yes, Palestine is a legal entity. But it is not self-governing and not in the hands of the Arab Palestinian (in 1946 and not until 1988). It was a territory.

No the Armistice did not recognize the existence of Palestine; that was not an intent and not a purpose. The Armistice was four agreements between Israel and four Arab Aggressors. But as you are so fond of pointing-out, the Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate "settlement of the Palestine question. The armistice agreements were intended to serve only as interim agreements until replaced by permanent peace treaties.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this happens with you periodically.

As were all of the other new states in the ME.

What is your point?

(COMMENT)

Between here and Posting 446, you have opened a number of issue that has propelled the discussion:

• You always crack me up with this one. Where is Israel's legitimate territory?
• Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It has nothing to do with the creation of Israel.
• What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

Israel's legitimate territory:

• First, about three-quarters of Israel's perimeter has permanent boundaries (borders) established with Egypt and Jordan. And these borders directly interface with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

• The remaining quarter of the perimeter is govern by a set of Armistice Lines with Lebanon and Syria. The Armistice Lines between Israel and the two Arab countries of Syria and Lebanon, have no common segments with the 1988 State of Palestine.

• The West Bank and the Gaza Strip have a de facto border lines with Israel using the former Armistice Lines established in 1949. But these Armistice Line have not been documented with an Armistice Agreement between Israel and the State of Palestine (West Bank + Gaza Strip); but rather the Oslo Accords through the Permanent Status of Negotiations. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than May 4, 1996, between the Parties. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbors, and other issues of common interest.

Resolution 181 and the relationship with the creation of Israel (and Palestine for that matter):

• Both the Declaration of Independence for the States of Israel and Palestine, cite the A/RES/181(II) as an authority.
• A decade later, both the States of Israel and Palestine reaffirm the international legitimacy and respects General Assembly Resolution 181 (II).
• The applicable Resolutions that admit Israel to the UN and accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations cite General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) as an applicable reference.

I think that each of the last couple responses provides valuable insight into the issue surround the questions.

Most Respectfully,
R

First, about three-quarters of Israel's perimeter has permanent boundaries (borders) established with Egypt and Jordan. And these borders directly interface with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.​

If the Palestinians have the right to territorial integrity, as UN resolutions state, Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestinian land?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The war was between Israel (defending) and the four prinicle Arab Nations; Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria (aggressors). The armistice agreements were intended to serve only as interim agreements until replaced by permanent peace treaties.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this happens with you periodically.

As were all of the other new states in the ME.

What is your point?

(COMMENT)

Between here and Posting 446, you have opened a number of issue that has propelled the discussion:

• You always crack me up with this one. Where is Israel's legitimate territory?
• Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It has nothing to do with the creation of Israel.
• What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

Israel's legitimate territory:

• First, about three-quarters of Israel's perimeter has permanent boundaries (borders) established with Egypt and Jordan. And these borders directly interface with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

• The remaining quarter of the perimeter is govern by a set of Armistice Lines with Lebanon and Syria. The Armistice Lines between Israel and the two Arab countries of Syria and Lebanon, have no common segments with the 1988 State of Palestine.

• The West Bank and the Gaza Strip have a de facto border lines with Israel using the former Armistice Lines established in 1949. But these Armistice Line have not been documented with an Armistice Agreement between Israel and the State of Palestine (West Bank + Gaza Strip); but rather the Oslo Accords through the Permanent Status of Negotiations. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than May 4, 1996, between the Parties. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbors, and other issues of common interest.

Resolution 181 and the relationship with the creation of Israel (and Palestine for that matter):

• Both the Declaration of Independence for the States of Israel and Palestine, cite the A/RES/181(II) as an authority.
• A decade later, both the States of Israel and Palestine reaffirm the international legitimacy and respects General Assembly Resolution 181 (II).
• The applicable Resolutions that admit Israel to the UN and accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations cite General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) as an applicable reference.

I think that each of the last couple responses provides valuable insight into the issue surround the questions.

Most Respectfully,
R

First, about three-quarters of Israel's perimeter has permanent boundaries (borders) established with Egypt and Jordan. And these borders directly interface with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.​

If the Palestinians have the right to territorial integrity, as UN resolutions state, Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestinian land?

(COMMENT)

There were four Armistice Agreements, thus the need to end the war that started in 1948 with the Arab Invasion, will end when each of the parties to the conflict sign a Peace Treaty. The war has ended between Israel and two of the four opponents; Egypt (1979), Jordan (1994). The Palestinians, were not an independent party to the conflict.

There was no sovereignty known as Palestine to be concerned about "territorial integrity" prior to 1988. From 1967 to 2005, Gaza was Israel Occupied Palestinian Territory. From 1967 to 1988 the West Bank was Israeli Occupied Jordanian Territory. From 1988 to present, the West Bank was Israeli Occupied Palestinian Territory.

Since 1988, the State of Palestine has not attempted to negotiate the any of the topics under the permanent status of negotiation under the Oslo Accords; including borders.

The State of Palestine has yet to demonstrate that it has the ability to establish its borders and enforce them.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The war was between Israel (defending) and the four prinicle Arab Nations; Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria (aggressors). The armistice agreements were intended to serve only as interim agreements until replaced by permanent peace treaties.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this happens with you periodically.

As were all of the other new states in the ME.

What is your point?

(COMMENT)

Between here and Posting 446, you have opened a number of issue that has propelled the discussion:

• You always crack me up with this one. Where is Israel's legitimate territory?
• Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It has nothing to do with the creation of Israel.
• What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

Israel's legitimate territory:

• First, about three-quarters of Israel's perimeter has permanent boundaries (borders) established with Egypt and Jordan. And these borders directly interface with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

• The remaining quarter of the perimeter is govern by a set of Armistice Lines with Lebanon and Syria. The Armistice Lines between Israel and the two Arab countries of Syria and Lebanon, have no common segments with the 1988 State of Palestine.

• The West Bank and the Gaza Strip have a de facto border lines with Israel using the former Armistice Lines established in 1949. But these Armistice Line have not been documented with an Armistice Agreement between Israel and the State of Palestine (West Bank + Gaza Strip); but rather the Oslo Accords through the Permanent Status of Negotiations. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than May 4, 1996, between the Parties. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbors, and other issues of common interest.

Resolution 181 and the relationship with the creation of Israel (and Palestine for that matter):

• Both the Declaration of Independence for the States of Israel and Palestine, cite the A/RES/181(II) as an authority.
• A decade later, both the States of Israel and Palestine reaffirm the international legitimacy and respects General Assembly Resolution 181 (II).
• The applicable Resolutions that admit Israel to the UN and accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations cite General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) as an applicable reference.

I think that each of the last couple responses provides valuable insight into the issue surround the questions.

Most Respectfully,
R

First, about three-quarters of Israel's perimeter has permanent boundaries (borders) established with Egypt and Jordan. And these borders directly interface with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.​

If the Palestinians have the right to territorial integrity, as UN resolutions state, Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestinian land?

(COMMENT)

There were four Armistice Agreements, thus the need to end the war that started in 1948 with the Arab Invasion, will end when each of the parties to the conflict sign a Peace Treaty. The war has ended between Israel and two of the four opponents; Egypt (1979), Jordan (1994). The Palestinians, were not an independent party to the conflict.

There was no sovereignty known as Palestine to be concerned about "territorial integrity" prior to 1988. From 1967 to 2005, Gaza was Israel Occupied Palestinian Territory. From 1967 to 1988 the West Bank was Israeli Occupied Jordanian Territory. From 1988 to present, the West Bank was Israeli Occupied Palestinian Territory.

Since 1988, the State of Palestine has not attempted to negotiate the any of the topics under the permanent status of negotiation under the Oslo Accords; including borders.

The State of Palestine has yet to demonstrate that it has the ability to establish its borders and enforce them.

Most Respectfully,
R

That didn't answer my question.

However,

There was no sovereignty known as Palestine to be concerned about "territorial integrity" prior to 1988​

Palestine's territorial integrity was mentioned in UN resolution 3324 in 1978.

 

[Coyote]

Huh??? How on earth did you come up with that?

Where did I say that?

Really...according to me?

Dude - we were talking about a frigging bone church and now you've suddenly exploded all over the place.

Have you got it yet that you've exploded all over the place into stuff we never even discussed?

Really now....where did I say that Phoenall?

I did. Maybe it's time you do it and try to substantiate your claims.

I have and you denied their credibility because they go against your brainwashing

Oh?

What links have you provided to show that there are multiple bone churches created from the victims of "Muslim massacres"?

Sedlec Ossuary bones of Muslims

Deir el-Zour Armenian victims of genocide. It was destroyed by IS

Skull Chapel in Czermana are victims of Islamic invasion

Sedlec wasn't Muslim, I think the claim that it was built of Muslim bones was a hoax designed to inflame Muslims: Sedlec Ossuary Cemetery Church of All Saints with the Ossuary

Likewise, Czermana was not victims of Islamic invasion (did Muslims invade Poland?) - according to wikipedia: The chapel was built in 1776 by the Czech local parish priest Wacław Tomaszek. It is the mass grave of people who died during the Thirty Years’ War (1618–1648), three Silesian Wars (1740–1763), as well as of people who died because of cholera epidemics, plague, syphilis and hunger.[2]

Deir el-Zour is, in a sense, and it's also a memorial and museum to a genocide that is still denied -- if I'm thinking of the same place you are? Armenian Genocide Memorial Church Der Zor - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ISIS has destroyed so many historical and beautiful places

~alaiwah, a pakistani wordpress site

>>In the city of Sedelik of the Czech Republic, there is an interesting church.

This church is not made of wood, nor it is made of cement, nor it is made of metal, but instead it is made of parts of Muslims.

In the year of 1218, the Pope of that time, to show pride, ordered the construction of a church bringing the bones of Muslims killed for its construction.

The order was sent to the country by bringing the bones of 40,000 Muslims.<<

That's interesting - I'll have to research further because what I heard was it was a hoax designed to anger Muslims - most interesting!

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Map you provided does not have the boundary or borders to Palestine as you suggest Palestine to be.

What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

I don't see your point.

(COMMENT)

The borders marked on the map are the borders to the territory covered by the Mandate for Palestine, and the Government of Palestine (that of the Mandatory, UK).

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,...​

The Mandate was not Palestine. It worked inside Palestine with no land or borders of it own.

Didn't Britain say that Palestine would continue to be a legal entity after the Mandate left.

The 1949 UN armistice recognized the continued existence of Palestine and its international boundaries.

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Map you provided does not have the boundary or borders to Palestine as you suggest Palestine to be.

What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

I don't see your point.

(COMMENT)

The borders marked on the map are the borders to the territory covered by the Mandate for Palestine, and the Government of Palestine (that of the Mandatory, UK).

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,...​

The Mandate was not Palestine. It worked inside Palestine with no land or borders of it own.

Didn't Britain say that Palestine would continue to be a legal entity after the Mandate left.

The 1949 UN armistice recognized the continued existence of Palestine and its international boundaries.

Then provide a map of Palestine with it;s international boundaries clearly marked. A map that DOESN'T say partition plan.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this happens with you periodically.

As were all of the other new states in the ME.

What is your point?

(COMMENT)

Between here and Posting 446, you have opened a number of issue that has propelled the discussion:

• You always crack me up with this one. Where is Israel's legitimate territory?
• Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It has nothing to do with the creation of Israel.
• What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

Israel's legitimate territory:

• First, about three-quarters of Israel's perimeter has permanent boundaries (borders) established with Egypt and Jordan. And these borders directly interface with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

• The remaining quarter of the perimeter is govern by a set of Armistice Lines with Lebanon and Syria. The Armistice Lines between Israel and the two Arab countries of Syria and Lebanon, have no common segments with the 1988 State of Palestine.

• The West Bank and the Gaza Strip have a de facto border lines with Israel using the former Armistice Lines established in 1949. But these Armistice Line have not been documented with an Armistice Agreement between Israel and the State of Palestine (West Bank + Gaza Strip); but rather the Oslo Accords through the Permanent Status of Negotiations. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than May 4, 1996, between the Parties. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbors, and other issues of common interest.

Resolution 181 and the relationship with the creation of Israel (and Palestine for that matter):

• Both the Declaration of Independence for the States of Israel and Palestine, cite the A/RES/181(II) as an authority.
• A decade later, both the States of Israel and Palestine reaffirm the international legitimacy and respects General Assembly Resolution 181 (II).
• The applicable Resolutions that admit Israel to the UN and accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations cite General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) as an applicable reference.

I think that each of the last couple responses provides valuable insight into the issue surround the questions.

Most Respectfully,
R

First, about three-quarters of Israel's perimeter has permanent boundaries (borders) established with Egypt and Jordan. And these borders directly interface with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.​

If the Palestinians have the right to territorial integrity, as UN resolutions state, Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestinian land?

First off, it's not Israel claiming the boundaries. Second, the boundaries are not on Palestinian land. PAlestinian land is the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
The Tinmore land transfer law doesn't apply to real life, remember ?

No matter how hard you try, you cannot refute the fact that Israel has permanent international boundaries

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Map you provided does not have the boundary or borders to Palestine as you suggest Palestine to be.

What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

I don't see your point.

(COMMENT)

The borders marked on the map are the borders to the territory covered by the Mandate for Palestine, and the Government of Palestine (that of the Mandatory, UK).

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,...​

The Mandate was not Palestine. It worked inside Palestine with no land or borders of it own.

Didn't Britain say that Palestine would continue to be a legal entity after the Mandate left.

The 1949 UN armistice recognized the continued existence of Palestine and its international boundaries.

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Map you provided does not have the boundary or borders to Palestine as you suggest Palestine to be.

What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

I don't see your point.

(COMMENT)

The borders marked on the map are the borders to the territory covered by the Mandate for Palestine, and the Government of Palestine (that of the Mandatory, UK).

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,...​

The Mandate was not Palestine. It worked inside Palestine with no land or borders of it own.

Didn't Britain say that Palestine would continue to be a legal entity after the Mandate left.

The 1949 UN armistice recognized the continued existence of Palestine and its international boundaries.

Then provide a map of Palestine with it;s international boundaries clearly marked. A map that DOESN'T say partition plan.

OK, now how about a map of Israel without the armistice lines.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Map you provided does not have the boundary or borders to Palestine as you suggest Palestine to be.

What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

I don't see your point.

(COMMENT)

The borders marked on the map are the borders to the territory covered by the Mandate for Palestine, and the Government of Palestine (that of the Mandatory, UK).

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,...​

The Mandate was not Palestine. It worked inside Palestine with no land or borders of it own.

Didn't Britain say that Palestine would continue to be a legal entity after the Mandate left.

The 1949 UN armistice recognized the continued existence of Palestine and its international boundaries.

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Map you provided does not have the boundary or borders to Palestine as you suggest Palestine to be.

What relevance is this to Palestine's international borders on the 1946 map?

I don't see your point.

(COMMENT)

The borders marked on the map are the borders to the territory covered by the Mandate for Palestine, and the Government of Palestine (that of the Mandatory, UK).

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,...​

The Mandate was not Palestine. It worked inside Palestine with no land or borders of it own.

Didn't Britain say that Palestine would continue to be a legal entity after the Mandate left.

The 1949 UN armistice recognized the continued existence of Palestine and its international boundaries.

Then provide a map of Palestine with it;s international boundaries clearly marked. A map that DOESN'T say partition plan.

OK, now how about a map of Israel without the armistice lines.

That is an ancient map. That is not Palestine. That is Israel. Palestine is inside Israel.

 

[Vigilante]

There can be NO PEACE, ALL muslims must be eradicated!

New Poll Shows What a Majority of Palestinians Think About Peace With Israel(68% support rockets)

The Blaze ^
A majority of Palestinians say they support rocket attacks on Israel and nearly half favor renewing an armed intifada, according to a new public opinion poll. The poll from the Ramallah-based Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research released Tuesday found that 68 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza said they support launching rockets from Gaza at Israel if Israel does not lift its Gaza blockade....

 

[aris2chat]

There can be NO PEACE, ALL muslims must be eradicated!

New Poll Shows What a Majority of Palestinians Think About Peace With Israel(68% support rockets)

The Blaze ^
A majority of Palestinians say they support rocket attacks on Israel and nearly half favor renewing an armed intifada, according to a new public opinion poll. The poll from the Ramallah-based Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research released Tuesday found that 68 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza said they support launching rockets from Gaza at Israel if Israel does not lift its Gaza blockade....

Israel just conducted a raid on a cell they have infiltrated in the WB. It was a hamas cell about the set off an explosion, small one, then as everyone came to help they were going to set off a much large bomb.

Best thing is preventing not suffering the event after the fact.

Bravo

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you discount all the General Assembly Resolutions which are non-binding, then the Palestinians are really in trouble.

P F Tinmore, et al,

If these principles do not apply to Israel, formed pursuant to the Steps Preparatory to Independence as established by the General Assembly, then they cannot be either inalienable or universal.​

​

Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It has nothing to do with the creation of Israel.

(COMMENT)

Damn near all basic human rights are documented by GA Resolutions.

273 (III). Admission of Israel to membership in the United Nations
​

Having received the report of the Security Council on the application of Israel for membership in the United Nations,1/

Noting that, in the judgment of the Security Council, Israel is a peace-loving State and is able and willing to carry out the obligations contained in the Charter,

Noting that the Security Council has recommended to the General Assembly that it admit Israel to membership in the United Nations,

Noting furthermore the declaration by the State of Israel that it "unreservedly accepts the obligations of the United Nations Charter and undertakes to honour them from the day when it becomes a Member of the United Nations",2/

Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanationsmade by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,

The General Assembly,

Acting in discharge of its functions under Article 4 of the Charter and rule 125 of its rules of procedure,

1. Decides that Israel is a peace-loving State which accepts the obligations contained in the Charter and is able and willing to carry out those obligations;

2. Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

The Core International Human Rights Instruments and their monitoring bodies
There are ten core international human rights instruments. Each of these instruments (9 human rights treaties and the Optional Protocol to the CAT) has established a committee of experts to monitor implementation of the treaty provisions by its States parties. Some of the treaties are supplemented by optional protocols dealing with specific concerns.

Date
Monitoring Body
ICERD International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
21 Dec 1965
CERD
ICCPR International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
16 Dec 1966
CCPR
ICESCR International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
16 Dec 1966
CESCR
CEDAW Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women
18 Dec 1979
CEDAW
CAT Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
10 Dec 1984
CAT
CRC Convention on the Rights of the Child
20 Nov 1989
CRC
ICMW International Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families
18 Dec 1990
CMW
CPED International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance
20 Dec 2006
CED
CRPD Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
13 Dec 2006
CRPD
ICESCR - OP Optional Protocol to the Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
10 Dec 2008
CESCR
ICCPR-OP1 Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
16 Dec 1966
CCPR
ICCPR-OP2 Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, aiming at the abolition of the death penalty
15 Dec 1989
CCPR
OP-CEDAW Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women
10 Dec 1999
CEDAW
OP-CRC-AC Optional protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict
25 May 2000
CRC
OP-CRC-SC Optional protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography
25 May 2000
CRC
OP-CRC-IC Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on a communications procedure
14 Apr 2014

CRC
OP-CAT Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
18 Dec 2002
SPT
OP-CRPD Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
12 Dec 2006
CRPD
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah right

UN Security Council Resolution
Resolution 446 (1979)
of 22 March 1979

"1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;

2. Strongly deplores the failure of Israel to abide by Security Council resolutions 237 (1967) of 14 June 1967, 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968 and 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 and the consensus statement by the President of the Security Council on 11 November 1976 2/ and General Assembly resolutions 2253 (ES-V) and 2254 (ES-V) of 4 and 14 July 1967, 32/5 of 28 October 1977 and 33/113 of 18 December 1978;


3. Calls once more upon Israel, as the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, to rescind its previous measures and to desist from taking any action which would result in changing the legal status and geographical nature and materially affecting the demographic composition of the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and, in particular, not to transfer parts of its own civilian population into the occupied Arab territories;"

And just where does it say or else we will arrest you for breach of these laws ?

The same UN has called upon hamas and fatah to stop all violence and terrorism and to negotiate peace with their neighbours and mutual agreed borders.

Zionists have never negotiated in good faith. As proved by Bibbi recently

More anti semitic Jew hatred by use of the term Zionist out of context and as a racist slur. All you are doing is using the term Zionist instead of Jew so you wont be seen as a racist. Sorry wont work as we an see right through your islamonazi/neo Marxist stooge brainwashing

 

[Phoenall]

Documentary evidence of the massacres by surviving Jews and Christians, are you that stupid that you think there were no proofs at the time of the massacres. Much like the mass graves being found in Iraq and Nigeria at the moment that are found to contain mixed up bodies.

Please provide evidence then, that Jewish bones were included in those bone churches. Frankly - you didn't even get the country right, what makes this claim any more credible? Only one church - when I googled it - had bones from an Islamic conflict.

So Spain was not ruled by the muslims now, according to you.

Huh??? How on earth did you come up with that?

And the muslims did not massacre many Christians and Jews in Spain according to you.

Where did I say that?

And that they did their usual practice of throwing the dismembered bodies into mass graves, according to you.

Really...according to me?

Dude - we were talking about a frigging bone church and now you've suddenly exploded all over the place.

Have you got it yet according to you the muslims did nothing, according to you the muslims are still doing nothing, according to you Jews were not killed at the same time as Christians.

Have you got it yet that you've exploded all over the place into stuff we never even discussed?

According to you the Jews do not have the right to a national home, according to you the arab muslims should be given Israel on a plate.

Really now....where did I say that Phoenall?

Now try looking for bone churches and see how many there are in reality, then look for muslim massacres in Spain. Or try Andalucía the Islamic name for Spain

I did. Maybe it's time you do it and try to substantiate your claims.

I have and you denied their credibility because they go against your brainwashing

Oh?

What links have you provided to show that there are multiple bone churches created from the victims of "Muslim massacres"?

None and this is off topic. If I did this I would be punished ! ! ! ! ! ! WHY ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I not even sure this is a legitimate question.

The Arab Palestinians have denied Israel the "territorial integrity" through assault, terrorism and conventional rocket fire. Israel is a member of the UN and entitled to defend itself.

You always crack me up with this one. Where is Israel's legitimate territory?

(REFERENCE)

Post #70 - No Palestinian State
Post $46 - No Palestinian State

(COMMENT)

Relative to Israel are identified in the treaties in the REFERENCE Postings. There are no real borders with respect to Israel and Palestine, as the Palestinians have not negotiated any boundaries. The closest simulated boundary are the Armistice demarcation lines.

Thus, it is the State of Palestine that has no boundaries.

Israel has boundaries by treaty.

Most Respectfully,
R

At what time and under what circumstances did Palestine's borders disappear.

When the nation of Israel made agreement with two of its neighbours Egypt and Jordan

None of them have any authority over Palestine's borders.

Because the 1988 nation of Palestine does not have any borders until it negotiates them as it declared it would. You forget that borders are not unilateral and need to be agreed on by nations or treaty. And the Mandate for Palestine only ever defined the Mandates borders

 

[Challenger]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you discount all the General Assembly Resolutions which are non-binding, then the Palestinians are really in trouble.

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Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It has nothing to do with the creation of Israel.

(COMMENT)

Damn near all basic human rights are documented by GA Resolutions.

273 (III). Admission of Israel to membership in the United Nations
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Having received the report of the Security Council on the application of Israel for membership in the United Nations,1/

Noting that, in the judgment of the Security Council, Israel is a peace-loving State and is able and willing to carry out the obligations contained in the Charter,

Noting that the Security Council has recommended to the General Assembly that it admit Israel to membership in the United Nations,

Noting furthermore the declaration by the State of Israel that it "unreservedly accepts the obligations of the United Nations Charter and undertakes to honour them from the day when it becomes a Member of the United Nations",2/

Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanationsmade by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,

The General Assembly,

Acting in discharge of its functions under Article 4 of the Charter and rule 125 of its rules of procedure,

1. Decides that Israel is a peace-loving State which accepts the obligations contained in the Charter and is able and willing to carry out those obligations;

2. Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

The Core International Human Rights Instruments and their monitoring bodies
There are ten core international human rights instruments. Each of these instruments (9 human rights treaties and the Optional Protocol to the CAT) has established a committee of experts to monitor implementation of the treaty provisions by its States parties. Some of the treaties are supplemented by optional protocols dealing with specific concerns.

Date
Monitoring Body
ICERD International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
21 Dec 1965
CERD
ICCPR International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
16 Dec 1966
CCPR
ICESCR International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
16 Dec 1966
CESCR
CEDAW Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women
18 Dec 1979
CEDAW
CAT Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
10 Dec 1984
CAT
CRC Convention on the Rights of the Child
20 Nov 1989
CRC
ICMW International Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families
18 Dec 1990
CMW
CPED International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance
20 Dec 2006
CED
CRPD Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
13 Dec 2006
CRPD
ICESCR - OP Optional Protocol to the Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
10 Dec 2008
CESCR
ICCPR-OP1 Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
16 Dec 1966
CCPR
ICCPR-OP2 Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, aiming at the abolition of the death penalty
15 Dec 1989
CCPR
OP-CEDAW Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women
10 Dec 1999
CEDAW
OP-CRC-AC Optional protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict
25 May 2000
CRC
OP-CRC-SC Optional protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography
25 May 2000
CRC
OP-CRC-IC Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on a communications procedure
14 Apr 2014

CRC
OP-CAT Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
18 Dec 2002
SPT
OP-CRPD Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
12 Dec 2006
CRPD
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Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah right

UN Security Council Resolution
Resolution 446 (1979)
of 22 March 1979

"1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;

2. Strongly deplores the failure of Israel to abide by Security Council resolutions 237 (1967) of 14 June 1967, 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968 and 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 and the consensus statement by the President of the Security Council on 11 November 1976 2/ and General Assembly resolutions 2253 (ES-V) and 2254 (ES-V) of 4 and 14 July 1967, 32/5 of 28 October 1977 and 33/113 of 18 December 1978;


3. Calls once more upon Israel, as the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, to rescind its previous measures and to desist from taking any action which would result in changing the legal status and geographical nature and materially affecting the demographic composition of the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and, in particular, not to transfer parts of its own civilian population into the occupied Arab territories;"

And just where does it say or else we will arrest you for breach of these laws ?

The same UN has called upon hamas and fatah to stop all violence and terrorism and to negotiate peace with their neighbours and mutual agreed borders.

Zionists have never negotiated in good faith. As proved by Bibbi recently

More anti semitic Jew hatred by use of the term Zionist out of context and as a racist slur. All you are doing is using the term Zionist instead of Jew so you wont be seen as a racist. Sorry wont work as we an see right through your islamonazi/neo Marxist stooge brainwashing

Have you never heard of Christian Zionism, you moron? Not all Jewish people are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jewish. Christian Zionism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I don't see Jewish people as any sort of "race" nor do I "hate" Jewish people any more than any other human being. The only "haters" and "racists" on this forum seem to be the pro-Israel Zionist crowd, of which you are very prominent. You want to see the face of a true hater, go look in the mirror.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore,

This particular passage is from General Assembly Resolution 33/24 (1978)(again - NON-BINDING - not law) pertaining to:

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  Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence​
  
  
  
  
  to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

It is interesting that the Palestinians have the right to territorial integrity when you say they have no territory.

Perhaps you should dispense with the smoke and answer the question.

(COMMENT)

This passage say that all people under alien and colonial domination have the right to:

• self-determination,
• national independence,
• territorial integrity, and
• national unity and sovereignty without external interference

In 1978 --- it does not say, confer, or otherwise indicate any specific territory in which these rights might be exercised. NOR does it say that the peoples of Namibia, Zimbabwe, or Palestine have any particular outstanding claim.

If the Palestinian People were to ever get territory, then the Palestinians have the right to territorial integrity. But not for a decade --- until 1988 --- did the Palestinian people stake a claim territorially.

In 1978, the:

• West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory, having been annexed by the Hashemite Kingdom, under the parliamentary process and right of self-determination. That Jordanian sovereign territory was then occupied by Israeli Forces when Arab Forces, staging for an attack, were successfully engaged.
• The Gaza Strip was under occupied by Israeli Forces, authority taken from the administration of the Egyptian Military Governorship; the All Palestine Government having been dissolved and disbanded by the Egyptian Government in 1959.

To be forthright in this discussion, it should be acknowledged that in 1977, when UN Sub-Commission first laid-out the ground work for the resolution, the subject of self-determination was dealt with at considerable length, and expressly affirmed the character of jus cogens of the principle of the self-determination of peoples; that is the a norm --- from which no partial revocation or abolition of a law is permitted (inalienable); "respect for the principle of the equal rights of all peoples and of their right of self-determination;" and certainly not unique to Palestinians. The concept applies to self-determination for everyone --- everywhere. It implies that it is respected by international law.

So, in 1978, the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank were Jordanian Nationals; while the Arab Palestinians in the Gaza Strip were under the national umbrella of the occupation power.

In 1978, other than the Gaza Strip, there was no Palestinian Territory. But 1979, the Treaty between the Egyptian Government and Israel establish a permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel --- recognized international boundary between Egypt and the "former mandated territory of Palestine." This is important because it includes all of the Gaza Strip on the Israeli side of the border.

This raises the question as to what "territory" the Arab Palestinian might control at that time (1978) --- or what was considered as "territorial integrity" for Palestinians?

(SMOKE SCREEN)

Yes, there is a smoke screen here, but it is not from me. Pro-Palestinians claim territorial integrity, but never identify what territory that is and when they establish Arab Palestinian control (a competent government) over that territory.

When the Arab Palestinian celebrated their non-member observer State status in the United Nations (2012), it did so with the delineation that the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; but does not stipulate what territory that is. Israel occupied Jordanian territory in 1967 and the Egyptian Governorship.

What territory do the Palestinians claimed to have controlled in 1978; or even in 1967? If you can answer that question, I can answer the question on territorial integrity.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, there is a smoke screen here, but it is not from me. Pro-Palestinians claim territorial integrity, but never identify what territory that is and when they establish Arab Palestinian control (a competent government) over that territory.​

As you should know "control" is not a criterion for the people to have rights. People in non self governing territories have the right to territorial integrity.

You question Palestine's territory. This 1946 survey map of Palestine clearly defines Palestine's international boundaries.

These boundaries were claimed in Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence.

HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE ...

A C.1 330 of 14 October 1948​

And, of course, these same international boundaries were referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements. So Palestine's international boundaries remained unchanged in 1949.

UN resolution 3324 of 1978 said that the Palestinians had the right to territorial integrity.

I think it is clear what territory they were talking about.

Yes the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE and not the nation of Palestine. And this map you produce is nothing more than a proposal by a committee and as such is not valid as borders. As I said borders are not unilateral and you cant claim land another nation already claims. Nor can Egypt claim Palestine as they already have their own nation. So that declaration was declared void by the UN on both those grounds.

 

[Challenger]

Please provide evidence then, that Jewish bones were included in those bone churches. Frankly - you didn't even get the country right, what makes this claim any more credible? Only one church - when I googled it - had bones from an Islamic conflict.

So Spain was not ruled by the muslims now, according to you.

Huh??? How on earth did you come up with that?

And the muslims did not massacre many Christians and Jews in Spain according to you.

Where did I say that?

And that they did their usual practice of throwing the dismembered bodies into mass graves, according to you.

Really...according to me?

Dude - we were talking about a frigging bone church and now you've suddenly exploded all over the place.

Have you got it yet according to you the muslims did nothing, according to you the muslims are still doing nothing, according to you Jews were not killed at the same time as Christians.

Have you got it yet that you've exploded all over the place into stuff we never even discussed?

According to you the Jews do not have the right to a national home, according to you the arab muslims should be given Israel on a plate.

Really now....where did I say that Phoenall?

Now try looking for bone churches and see how many there are in reality, then look for muslim massacres in Spain. Or try Andalucía the Islamic name for Spain

I did. Maybe it's time you do it and try to substantiate your claims.

I have and you denied their credibility because they go against your brainwashing

Oh?

What links have you provided to show that there are multiple bone churches created from the victims of "Muslim massacres"?

None and this is off topic. If I did this I would be punished ! ! ! ! ! ! WHY ?

You started this with your continual B.S. now you're bleating about being off topic. moving the goalposts again?

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[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nothing in this comment is credible.

These boundaries were claimed in Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence.

HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE ...

A C.1 330 of 14 October 1948​

And, of course, these same international boundaries were referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements. So Palestine's international boundaries remained unchanged in 1949.

UN resolution 3324 of 1978 said that the Palestinians had the right to territorial integrity.

I think it is clear what territory they were talking about.

(COMMENT)

First, 1946 survey map of Palestine clearly defines Palestine's international boundaries as Palestine was define in 1946. At that time, by the Palestine Order in Council, Palestine was that territory to which the Mandate applied. It has noting to do with Palestinian territorial sovereignty or integrity.

The All-Palestine Government was established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948 during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War; not by the Arab Palestinian People.

• The Prime Minister of the Gaza-seated administration was Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (Ottoman born in Lebanese area), and the President was Hajj Amin al-Husseini (Jerusalem born), former Chairman of the Arab Higher Committee (created by the Arab League).
• The All-Palestine Government was under official Egyptian protection, but it had no executive role; remained under Egyptian control through the 1948-49 Arab Israeli War and in exile in Cairo, managing Gazan affairs from outside. The effective jurisdiction of the All Palestine Government was limited to the Gaza Strip subject to Egyptian Military Oversight.
• In 1959, the All-Palestine Government was officially disbanded with some components merged into the United Arab Republic (coming under formal Egyptian military administration) who appointed Egyptian Military Governors in Gaza. The All-Palestine Government's credentials (bona fide sovereign state) were dependent on effective reliance from Egyptian military support, Egyptian political and economic power. With the disillusionment in 1959 --- there was NO ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT in 1978 --- no surviving government with a claim to the entirety of the territory formerly under Mandate.

The Map you posted (Map No. 103.1 (b) February 1956 United Nations BASE MAP: Survey of Palestine, April 1946. Modified) is first generation model of the Partition Plan A/RES/181(II) --- and Annex A to resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947. (It is even marked Annex A in the upper right-hand corner.) The Survey, a Survey of Palestine prepared by Government of Palestine (then under British military occupation/Mandate) for the United Nation Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in 1946, was still defined by the Palestine Order in Council: "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." Between October, 1917, and September, 1918, the whole of Palestine was occupied by the Allied Forces under General Allenby and placed temporarily under a British military administration known as the Allied Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA). If you go to the Survey of Palestine prepared by Government of Palestine you will find it is all about the Mandate. It is one of the great (the best single source) documents that captures the principle concepts surrounding the Mandate Period.

"UN Resolution 3324 of 1978" was written a decade before the Palestinians declared independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

First, 1946 survey map of Palestine clearly defines Palestine's international boundaries as Palestine was define in 1946. At that time, by the Palestine Order in Council, Palestine was that territory to which the Mandate applied.​

Those were Palestine's international borders as defined in 1922, and valid in the 1946 map, and were still valid in the 1949 armistice agreements. Even Israel agreed to those borders in 1949.

The Mandate was a temporarily assigned administration that held Palestine in trust. It had no land or borders of its own. It is irrelevant to this discussion.

Here we go round and round again beause tinny cant grasp the simplest of concepts. The 1922 treaty states that they are the BORDERS OF THE MANDATE FOR PALESTINE and also said HERINAFTER SHORTENED TO PALESTINE.

If as you say the Mandate is irrelevant then it could not have defined these borders, nor could it give land to the Hashemite's to create Syria and Jordan. So make your mind up did the Mandate apply to all the Islamic states it allowed to set up on land it owned after the treaty of surrender with the ottomans. Or is it all still Ottoman land and the various nations subject to Turkish rule.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nothing in this comment is credible.

These boundaries were claimed in Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence.

HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE ...

A C.1 330 of 14 October 1948​

And, of course, these same international boundaries were referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements. So Palestine's international boundaries remained unchanged in 1949.

UN resolution 3324 of 1978 said that the Palestinians had the right to territorial integrity.

I think it is clear what territory they were talking about.

(COMMENT)

First, 1946 survey map of Palestine clearly defines Palestine's international boundaries as Palestine was define in 1946. At that time, by the Palestine Order in Council, Palestine was that territory to which the Mandate applied. It has noting to do with Palestinian territorial sovereignty or integrity.

The All-Palestine Government was established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948 during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War; not by the Arab Palestinian People.

• The Prime Minister of the Gaza-seated administration was Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (Ottoman born in Lebanese area), and the President was Hajj Amin al-Husseini (Jerusalem born), former Chairman of the Arab Higher Committee (created by the Arab League).
• The All-Palestine Government was under official Egyptian protection, but it had no executive role; remained under Egyptian control through the 1948-49 Arab Israeli War and in exile in Cairo, managing Gazan affairs from outside. The effective jurisdiction of the All Palestine Government was limited to the Gaza Strip subject to Egyptian Military Oversight.
• In 1959, the All-Palestine Government was officially disbanded with some components merged into the United Arab Republic (coming under formal Egyptian military administration) who appointed Egyptian Military Governors in Gaza. The All-Palestine Government's credentials (bona fide sovereign state) were dependent on effective reliance from Egyptian military support, Egyptian political and economic power. With the disillusionment in 1959 --- there was NO ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT in 1978 --- no surviving government with a claim to the entirety of the territory formerly under Mandate.

The Map you posted (Map No. 103.1 (b) February 1956 United Nations BASE MAP: Survey of Palestine, April 1946. Modified) is first generation model of the Partition Plan A/RES/181(II) --- and Annex A to resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947. (It is even marked Annex A in the upper right-hand corner.) The Survey, a Survey of Palestine prepared by Government of Palestine (then under British military occupation/Mandate) for the United Nation Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in 1946, was still defined by the Palestine Order in Council: "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." Between October, 1917, and September, 1918, the whole of Palestine was occupied by the Allied Forces under General Allenby and placed temporarily under a British military administration known as the Allied Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA). If you go to the Survey of Palestine prepared by Government of Palestine you will find it is all about the Mandate. It is one of the great (the best single source) documents that captures the principle concepts surrounding the Mandate Period.

"UN Resolution 3324 of 1978" was written a decade before the Palestinians declared independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

The All-Palestine Government was established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948 during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War; not by the Arab Palestinian People.​

And Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Do you have a point here?

No it was declared by Jews who were legal Palestinian citizens in line with International laws of that time