"Free Palestine

The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.
The fact that you attack me personally shows how frustrated you are.

Poor Monti cannot accept the truth. You cannot change the definition of a word to suit your agenda. Any land that was conquered had nothing to with the immigration process. Oh, and it was the ARABS that started the war you are talking about. Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..

The word invasion has several definitions, none of which apply to the European immigration. But the main definition is a military offensive

Go to your doctor Monti, maybe he can treat you for your truth allergies..
Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..​

What did they conquer from those 5 countries?

Nothing .
Then why your stupid post?
Why your stupid question? You know Israel conquered nothing from the 5 Arab states.

They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians AFTER they were attacked by 5 Arab states AND Palestinian militias. I forgot to post that last one, but you should have already known that.
 
The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.
The fact that you attack me personally shows how frustrated you are.

Poor Monti cannot accept the truth. You cannot change the definition of a word to suit your agenda. Any land that was conquered had nothing to with the immigration process. Oh, and it was the ARABS that started the war you are talking about. Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..

The word invasion has several definitions, none of which apply to the European immigration. But the main definition is a military offensive

Go to your doctor Monti, maybe he can treat you for your truth allergies..
Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..​

What did they conquer from those 5 countries?

Nothing .
Then why your stupid post?
Why your stupid question? You know Israel conquered nothing from the 5 Arab states.

They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians AFTER they were attacked by 5 Arab states AND Palestinian militias. I forgot to post that last one, but you should have already known that.
So Israel conquered Palestinian land because it was attacked by 5 foreign countries?
 
The fact that you attack me personally shows how frustrated you are.

Poor Monti cannot accept the truth. You cannot change the definition of a word to suit your agenda. Any land that was conquered had nothing to with the immigration process. Oh, and it was the ARABS that started the war you are talking about. Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..

The word invasion has several definitions, none of which apply to the European immigration. But the main definition is a military offensive

Go to your doctor Monti, maybe he can treat you for your truth allergies..
Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..​

What did they conquer from those 5 countries?

Nothing .
Then why your stupid post?
Why your stupid question? You know Israel conquered nothing from the 5 Arab states.

They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians AFTER they were attacked by 5 Arab states AND Palestinian militias. I forgot to post that last one, but you should have already known that.
So Israel conquered Palestinian land because it was attacked by 5 foreign countries?
Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...
 
Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..​

What did they conquer from those 5 countries?

Nothing .
Then why your stupid post?
Why your stupid question? You know Israel conquered nothing from the 5 Arab states.

They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians AFTER they were attacked by 5 Arab states AND Palestinian militias. I forgot to post that last one, but you should have already known that.
So Israel conquered Palestinian land because it was attacked by 5 foreign countries?
Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...
Palestine had no army.
 
Nothing .
Then why your stupid post?
Why your stupid question? You know Israel conquered nothing from the 5 Arab states.

They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians AFTER they were attacked by 5 Arab states AND Palestinian militias. I forgot to post that last one, but you should have already known that.
So Israel conquered Palestinian land because it was attacked by 5 foreign countries?
Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...
Palestine had no army.
Palestinian militias took part in the offensive against Israel. One of the was called the Holy War Army.
 
Then why your stupid post?
Why your stupid question? You know Israel conquered nothing from the 5 Arab states.

They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians AFTER they were attacked by 5 Arab states AND Palestinian militias. I forgot to post that last one, but you should have already known that.
So Israel conquered Palestinian land because it was attacked by 5 foreign countries?
Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...
Palestine had no army.
Palestinian militias took part in the offensive against Israel. One of the was called the Holy War Army.
Look at any video of the conflict. It is always Israel's military pounding Palestinian civilians.
 
Why your stupid question? You know Israel conquered nothing from the 5 Arab states.

They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians AFTER they were attacked by 5 Arab states AND Palestinian militias. I forgot to post that last one, but you should have already known that.
So Israel conquered Palestinian land because it was attacked by 5 foreign countries?
Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...
Palestine had no army.
Palestinian militias took part in the offensive against Israel. One of the was called the Holy War Army.
Look at any video of the conflict. It is always Israel's military pounding Palestinian civilians.
Propaganda videos maybe. I've read many articles about the war. It was not just Israel bombing Palestinians. Take your Palestinian glasses off
 
The Jews were European colonists from another continent. They invaded. Full stop.
Colonists LOL. Your propaganda knows no bounds.

You can keep saying they invaded if you want Monti, but at the end of the day, anyone can see how easily I proved you to be wrong.
 
The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.
The fact that you attack me personally shows how frustrated you are.

Poor Monti cannot accept the truth. You cannot change the definition of a word to suit your agenda. Any land that was conquered had nothing to with the immigration process. Oh, and it was the ARABS that started the war you are talking about. Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..

The word invasion has several definitions, none of which apply to the European immigration. But the main definition is a military offensive

Go to your doctor Monti, maybe he can treat you for your truth allergies..
Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..​

What did they conquer from those 5 countries?

Nothing .


did you really expect?
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Nothing in this comment is credible.

These boundaries were claimed in Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence.

HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE ...

A C.1 330 of 14 October 1948

And, of course, these same international boundaries were referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements. So Palestine's international boundaries remained unchanged in 1949.

UN resolution 3324 of 1978 said that the Palestinians had the right to territorial integrity.

I think it is clear what territory they were talking about.
(COMMENT)

First, 1946 survey map of Palestine clearly defines Palestine's international boundaries as Palestine was define in 1946. At that time, by the Palestine Order in Council, Palestine was that territory to which the Mandate applied. It has noting to do with Palestinian territorial sovereignty or integrity.

The All-Palestine Government was established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948 during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War; not by the Arab Palestinian People.
  • The Prime Minister of the Gaza-seated administration was Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (Ottoman born in Lebanese area), and the President was Hajj Amin al-Husseini (Jerusalem born), former Chairman of the Arab Higher Committee (created by the Arab League).
  • The All-Palestine Government was under official Egyptian protection, but it had no executive role; remained under Egyptian control through the 1948-49 Arab Israeli War and in exile in Cairo, managing Gazan affairs from outside. The effective jurisdiction of the All Palestine Government was limited to the Gaza Strip subject to Egyptian Military Oversight.
  • In 1959, the All-Palestine Government was officially disbanded with some components merged into the United Arab Republic (coming under formal Egyptian military administration) who appointed Egyptian Military Governors in Gaza. The All-Palestine Government's credentials (bona fide sovereign state) were dependent on effective reliance from Egyptian military support, Egyptian political and economic power. With the disillusionment in 1959 --- there was NO ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT in 1978 --- no surviving government with a claim to the entirety of the territory formerly under Mandate.
The Map you posted (Map No. 103.1 (b) February 1956 United Nations BASE MAP: Survey of Palestine, April 1946. Modified) is first generation model of the Partition Plan A/RES/181(II) --- and Annex A to resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947. (It is even marked Annex A in the upper right-hand corner.) The Survey, a Survey of Palestine prepared by Government of Palestine (then under British military occupation/Mandate) for the United Nation Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in 1946, was still defined by the Palestine Order in Council: "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." Between October, 1917, and September, 1918, the whole of Palestine was occupied by the Allied Forces under General Allenby and placed temporarily under a British military administration known as the Allied Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA). If you go to the Survey of Palestine prepared by Government of Palestine you will find it is all about the Mandate. It is one of the great (the best single source) documents that captures the principle concepts surrounding the Mandate Period.

"UN Resolution 3324 of 1978" was written a decade before the Palestinians declared independence.

Most Respectfully,
R
The All-Palestine Government was established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948 during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War; not by the Arab Palestinian People.​

And Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Do you have a point here?




No it was declared by Jews who were legal Palestinian citizens in line with International laws of that time
What international law was that?



MANDATE FOR PALESTINE
 
The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.




Why cant you understand that this applies to the arab muslims who came illegally and took the land from the Jews. That was an armed invasion you MORON as they were not invited by the land legal owners. The muslims have a clear intent to take over the world and either massacre or convert by force the indigenous peoples of the world.
IT IS WRITTEN IN THE KORAN THAT YOU FOLLOW
 
  • What action did the Palestinians take regarding any attempt at self-determination?
The Christians and Muslims of the Palestinian Delegation in London attempted to peacefully convince the Mandatory to accept their constitution for an independent state as early as 1922. In the first letter the Palestinian Delegation of Muslims and Christians wrote, in part:

"The Delegation requests that the constitution for Palestine should—



  • (1) Safeguard the civil, political and economic interests of the People.
    (2) Provide for the creation of a national independent Government in accordance with the spirit of paragraph 4, Article 22, of the Covenant of the League of Nations."
  • What action did the Palestinians take regarding the establishment of independence?
The Arab revolt for independence of 1936-1939 was waged against the Europeans (British and Jewish). The 1937 Mandatory Report goes into detail regarding this "terrorism" that cost the lives of British soldiers.

Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

  • What action did the Palestinians take to establish:
(a) a permanent population;

The Christians and Muslims were always a permanent population in Palestine. What are you going on about?

(b) a defined territory;

The territory of Palestine was clearly defined.

(c) government; and

The Christians and Muslims wanted to establish a Government and pleaded with the British to allow them to do so as early as 1922

"The Delegation are, therefore, convinced that nothing will safeguard their interests but the creation of a National Government on the lines laid down in No. 2 of our demands found at the close of our letter to you dated 21st February, 1922. A National Government is the only authority that is competent to decide what is good and what is bad for these people.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

(d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The British would not allow the Christians and Muslims to establish their Government which would have had the capacity to enter into relations with other states, nor did they recognize the proposed Palestinian constitution, but the Christians and Muslims spent months in London trying to convince the British.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922





BULLSHIT
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

You do know that, in addition to A/RES/33/24 being non-binding, that it does not identify any territory specific to the Palestinians. And there was no specific claim made by the Palestinians to self-determination and independence, over any specific territory occupied by the Israelis. The State of Israel did not deny the Palestinians the right to self-determination.

The West Bank was Jordanian territory. And the People of Gaza made no specific decree one way or the other.

That didn't answer my question.

However,

There was no sovereignty known as Palestine to be concerned about "territorial integrity" prior to 1988​

Palestine's territorial integrity was mentioned in UN resolution 3324 in 1978.
(OBSERVATION)

Citation Correction: A/RES/33/24 29 Nov 1978

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

(COMMENT)

It reaffirms the inalienable right; (Namibia, Zimbabwe and Palestinian people) and ALL PEOPLES. It does not say that the Palestinian People have territory; just the "right" if they had territory. Certainly in 1978, the West Bank was Jordanian Territory. There is an argument to be made that in 1978, the Palestinians had to "right" concerning the Gaza Strip.

But having a "right" to take action concerning self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty, does not mean that you actually have a territory or must have success. No one has to give-up anything to the Palestinians --- no matter what "right" they claim.

I have the right to earn a million dollars, and to own property, that does not mean that someone has to give me anything. The same is true for self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty.

  • What action did the Palestinians take regarding any attempt at self-determination?
  • What action did the Palestinians take regarding the establishment of independence?
  • What action did the Palestinians take to establish:
(a) a permanent population;
(b) a defined territory;
(c) government; and
(d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.​

It is a matter of record that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. (Seventh Arab League Summit 1974) did not declare independence until 1988. In fact, the Palestinians through the Arab Higher Committee, rejected the Partition Plan and attempted through the use of force to overturn the will of the General Assembly and deny the State of Israel its inalienable rights (self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty). In 1978 --- the 1948 War Independence had not yet come to a conclusion; a state of war still existed between Israel and the aggressor Arab League countries (including Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt). The UN indignation, expressed in the non-binding resolution on decolonization was a bit premature, in the accusation of the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights. The resumption of hostilities in 1967 as a defensive move in light of the Straits Closure and the Marshaling of Forces along the Syrian Armistice Line and the Egyptian Armistice Line lead directly to the occupation. The Sneak attack in 1973, by the very same Arab League Forces was merely a continuation of 1948 War of Independence. The Occupation of the various territories was a strategic defense move to avert further aggression.

Most Respectfully,
R
  • What action did the Palestinians take to establish:
(a) a permanent population;
(b) a defined territory;
(c) government; and
(d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.
----------------
A and B they already had.

C and D they couldn't do with a gun in their face.




Nope they had illegal immigrants with no right to any land, no defined territory at all as they had no treaty giving them any. Unless you can find one that says the NATION OF PALESTINE will have this defined terrotory
 
The fact that you attack me personally shows how frustrated you are.

Poor Monti cannot accept the truth. You cannot change the definition of a word to suit your agenda. Any land that was conquered had nothing to with the immigration process. Oh, and it was the ARABS that started the war you are talking about. Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..

The word invasion has several definitions, none of which apply to the European immigration. But the main definition is a military offensive

Go to your doctor Monti, maybe he can treat you for your truth allergies..
Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..​

What did they conquer from those 5 countries?

Nothing .
Then why your stupid post?
Why your stupid question? You know Israel conquered nothing from the 5 Arab states.

They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians AFTER they were attacked by 5 Arab states AND Palestinian militias. I forgot to post that last one, but you should have already known that.
So Israel conquered Palestinian land because it was attacked by 5 foreign countries?




Yep life is a bitch when you take part on the losing side.
 
Nothing .
Then why your stupid post?
Why your stupid question? You know Israel conquered nothing from the 5 Arab states.

They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians AFTER they were attacked by 5 Arab states AND Palestinian militias. I forgot to post that last one, but you should have already known that.
So Israel conquered Palestinian land because it was attacked by 5 foreign countries?
Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...
Palestine had no army.




Nor did Israel .............................. So your point is what
 
Why your stupid question? You know Israel conquered nothing from the 5 Arab states.

They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians AFTER they were attacked by 5 Arab states AND Palestinian militias. I forgot to post that last one, but you should have already known that.
So Israel conquered Palestinian land because it was attacked by 5 foreign countries?
Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...
Palestine had no army.
Palestinian militias took part in the offensive against Israel. One of the was called the Holy War Army.
Look at any video of the conflict. It is always Israel's military pounding Palestinian civilians.





Can you prove they are civilians then, they could just as easily be insurgents that don't wear any uniform
 
The Jews were European colonists from another continent. They invaded. Full stop.





WRONG AGAIN as they were invited to migrate and settle by the lands LEGAL OWNERS. It was the arab muslims that were the invaders and aggressors
 
The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.




Why cant you understand that this applies to the arab muslims who came illegally and took the land from the Jews. That was an armed invasion you MORON as they were not invited by the land legal owners. The muslims have a clear intent to take over the world and either massacre or convert by force the indigenous peoples of the world.
IT IS WRITTEN IN THE KORAN THAT YOU FOLLOW

There were no Jews in Palestine when Muslim converts from Christianity (led by Arabians) conquered the land from the Romans (Byzantines). The people of Palestine were Christians, as was required by Roman law. You are such a moron you can't figure out how moronic you are. LOL

The invasion was a European invasion of Palestine on the part of European Jews. It is just a fact, before 1850 there hardly any Jews in Palestine and no European Jews by 1948 the Europeans had conquered the land through war and evicted most of the Christians and Muslims that were living on it. That is an invasion. No ifs, ands or buts about it.
 
P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

Mitchell Bard said:
Excerpts: The 1948 War:
Violence in the Holy Land broke out almost immediately after the UN announced partition on November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . .

Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.​

Security Council Official Records, Special Supplement, (1948), p. 20.
Security Council Official Records, S/Agenda/58, (April 16, 1948), p. 19.

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...
Palestine had no army.
(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R
 

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