"Free Palestine

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you discount all the General Assembly Resolutions which are non-binding, then the Palestinians are really in trouble.

(COMMENT)

Damn near all basic human rights are documented by GA Resolutions.

​

The Core International Human Rights Instruments and their monitoring bodies
There are ten core international human rights instruments. Each of these instruments (9 human rights treaties and the Optional Protocol to the CAT) has established a committee of experts to monitor implementation of the treaty provisions by its States parties. Some of the treaties are supplemented by optional protocols dealing with specific concerns.

Date
Monitoring Body
ICERD International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
21 Dec 1965
CERD
ICCPR International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
16 Dec 1966
CCPR
ICESCR International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
16 Dec 1966
CESCR
CEDAW Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women
18 Dec 1979
CEDAW
CAT Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
10 Dec 1984
CAT
CRC Convention on the Rights of the Child
20 Nov 1989
CRC
ICMW International Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families
18 Dec 1990
CMW
CPED International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance
20 Dec 2006
CED
CRPD Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
13 Dec 2006
CRPD
ICESCR - OP Optional Protocol to the Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
10 Dec 2008
CESCR
ICCPR-OP1 Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
16 Dec 1966
CCPR
ICCPR-OP2 Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, aiming at the abolition of the death penalty
15 Dec 1989
CCPR
OP-CEDAW Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women
10 Dec 1999
CEDAW
OP-CRC-AC Optional protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict
25 May 2000
CRC
OP-CRC-SC Optional protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography
25 May 2000
CRC
OP-CRC-IC Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on a communications procedure
14 Apr 2014

CRC
OP-CAT Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
18 Dec 2002
SPT
OP-CRPD Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
12 Dec 2006
CRPD
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Yeah right

UN Security Council Resolution
Resolution 446 (1979)
of 22 March 1979

"1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;

2. Strongly deplores the failure of Israel to abide by Security Council resolutions 237 (1967) of 14 June 1967, 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968 and 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 and the consensus statement by the President of the Security Council on 11 November 1976 2/ and General Assembly resolutions 2253 (ES-V) and 2254 (ES-V) of 4 and 14 July 1967, 32/5 of 28 October 1977 and 33/113 of 18 December 1978;


3. Calls once more upon Israel, as the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, to rescind its previous measures and to desist from taking any action which would result in changing the legal status and geographical nature and materially affecting the demographic composition of the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and, in particular, not to transfer parts of its own civilian population into the occupied Arab territories;"

And just where does it say or else we will arrest you for breach of these laws ?

The same UN has called upon hamas and fatah to stop all violence and terrorism and to negotiate peace with their neighbours and mutual agreed borders.

Zionists have never negotiated in good faith. As proved by Bibbi recently

More anti semitic Jew hatred by use of the term Zionist out of context and as a racist slur. All you are doing is using the term Zionist instead of Jew so you wont be seen as a racist. Sorry wont work as we an see right through your islamonazi/neo Marxist stooge brainwashing

Have you never heard of Christian Zionism, you moron? Not all Jewish people are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jewish. Christian Zionism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I don't see Jewish people as any sort of "race" nor do I "hate" Jewish people any more than any other human being. The only "haters" and "racists" on this forum seem to be the pro-Israel Zionist crowd, of which you are very prominent. You want to see the face of a true hater, go look in the mirror.

You are using the term Zionist out of context, much as people like you used the term Israeli out of context. This is because if you used the term Jew or Jewish then you would be shown to be a racist. Once the term Israeli used out of context became seen as a racist term people like you changed to using the term Zionist and Zionism out of context as a substitute for Jew.
This will be used until decent people realise that you are being a racist white supremacist Jew hater, then you will find another term of reference.

 

[Phoenall]

So Spain was not ruled by the muslims now, according to you.

Huh??? How on earth did you come up with that?

And the muslims did not massacre many Christians and Jews in Spain according to you.

Where did I say that?

And that they did their usual practice of throwing the dismembered bodies into mass graves, according to you.

Really...according to me?

Dude - we were talking about a frigging bone church and now you've suddenly exploded all over the place.

Have you got it yet according to you the muslims did nothing, according to you the muslims are still doing nothing, according to you Jews were not killed at the same time as Christians.

Have you got it yet that you've exploded all over the place into stuff we never even discussed?

According to you the Jews do not have the right to a national home, according to you the arab muslims should be given Israel on a plate.

Really now....where did I say that Phoenall?

Now try looking for bone churches and see how many there are in reality, then look for muslim massacres in Spain. Or try Andalucía the Islamic name for Spain

I did. Maybe it's time you do it and try to substantiate your claims.

I have and you denied their credibility because they go against your brainwashing

Oh?

What links have you provided to show that there are multiple bone churches created from the victims of "Muslim massacres"?

None and this is off topic. If I did this I would be punished ! ! ! ! ! ! WHY ?

You started this with your continual B.S. now you're bleating about being off topic. moving the goalposts again?

[

What goal posts did I move, and how is the post on topic.

 

[Challenger]

Please provide evidence then, that Jewish bones were included in those bone churches. Frankly - you didn't even get the country right, what makes this claim any more credible? Only one church - when I googled it - had bones from an Islamic conflict.

So Spain was not ruled by the muslims now, according to you.

Huh??? How on earth did you come up with that?

And the muslims did not massacre many Christians and Jews in Spain according to you.

Where did I say that?

And that they did their usual practice of throwing the dismembered bodies into mass graves, according to you.

Really...according to me?

Dude - we were talking about a frigging bone church and now you've suddenly exploded all over the place.

Have you got it yet according to you the muslims did nothing, according to you the muslims are still doing nothing, according to you Jews were not killed at the same time as Christians.

Have you got it yet that you've exploded all over the place into stuff we never even discussed?

According to you the Jews do not have the right to a national home, according to you the arab muslims should be given Israel on a plate.

Really now....where did I say that Phoenall?

Now try looking for bone churches and see how many there are in reality, then look for muslim massacres in Spain. Or try Andalucía the Islamic name for Spain

I did. Maybe it's time you do it and try to substantiate your claims.

I have and you denied their credibility because they go against your brainwashing

Oh?

What links have you provided to show that there are multiple bone churches created from the victims of "Muslim massacres"?

Sedlec Ossuary bones of Muslims
Deir el-Zour Armenian victims of genocide. It was destroyed by IS

Skull Chapel in Czermana are victims of Islamic invasion

Not according to the Smithsonian website:
"From the road, it would be easy to overlook this small, unassuming chapel located in one of the oldest towns in southwestern Poland. But the wooden doors hide a spectacular, macabre interior. The skulls and leg bones of over 3,000 victims of wars and plagues cover the walls and ceiling, and a crypt below, accessible through a trapdoor, houses over 21,000 additional remains. Between 1776 and 1804, the local priest, Vaclav Tomasek, painstakingly gathered, cleaned and carefully arranged skeletons recovered from numerous, shallow mass graves left by the Thirty Years’ War, Silesian Wars and cholera outbreaks. Modeled off of similar ossuaries and catacombs in Rome, the chapel was intended as a shrine for the dead, as well as a “memento mori” for the living.

On the church’s altar, Tomasek placed the bones of important figures and curiosities, including the skull of the local mayor, skulls with bullet holes, a skull deformed by syphilis and the bones of a supposed giant. When the chapel's creator passed away in 1804, his skull was placed on the altar as well."

This Creepily Beautiful Chapel in Czermna Poland Is Constructed Out of Thousands of Human Bones Travel Smithsonian

and also Skull Chapel Czermna - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Not a Muslim in sight until 1671, and even then the nearest they got was western Ukraine.

 

[Challenger]

Yeah right

UN Security Council Resolution
Resolution 446 (1979)
of 22 March 1979

"1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;

2. Strongly deplores the failure of Israel to abide by Security Council resolutions 237 (1967) of 14 June 1967, 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968 and 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 and the consensus statement by the President of the Security Council on 11 November 1976 2/ and General Assembly resolutions 2253 (ES-V) and 2254 (ES-V) of 4 and 14 July 1967, 32/5 of 28 October 1977 and 33/113 of 18 December 1978;


3. Calls once more upon Israel, as the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, to rescind its previous measures and to desist from taking any action which would result in changing the legal status and geographical nature and materially affecting the demographic composition of the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and, in particular, not to transfer parts of its own civilian population into the occupied Arab territories;"

And just where does it say or else we will arrest you for breach of these laws ?

The same UN has called upon hamas and fatah to stop all violence and terrorism and to negotiate peace with their neighbours and mutual agreed borders.

Zionists have never negotiated in good faith. As proved by Bibbi recently

More anti semitic Jew hatred by use of the term Zionist out of context and as a racist slur. All you are doing is using the term Zionist instead of Jew so you wont be seen as a racist. Sorry wont work as we an see right through your islamonazi/neo Marxist stooge brainwashing

Have you never heard of Christian Zionism, you moron? Not all Jewish people are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jewish. Christian Zionism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I don't see Jewish people as any sort of "race" nor do I "hate" Jewish people any more than any other human being. The only "haters" and "racists" on this forum seem to be the pro-Israel Zionist crowd, of which you are very prominent. You want to see the face of a true hater, go look in the mirror.

You are using the term Zionist out of context, much as people like you used the term Israeli out of context. This is because if you used the term Jew or Jewish then you would be shown to be a racist. Once the term Israeli used out of context became seen as a racist term people like you changed to using the term Zionist and Zionism out of context as a substitute for Jew.
This will be used until decent people realise that you are being a racist white supremacist Jew hater, then you will find another term of reference.

Oh good grief. I'll use the term in whatever context I see fit, thanks, and leave it up to the reader to make up their own mind who the true haters and nut-jobs on this forum are.

Israeli is a nationality, not a race.
Jewish refers to adherents to Judaism, a monotheist religion, not a race.
Zionist is a follower of an irridentist political ideolgy based on the disposession by force and continuing oppression of an innocent native people in order to fullfill some fairy tale fantasy written by a bunch of fundamentalist religious fanatics.

We clear now?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You do know that, in addition to A/RES/33/24 being non-binding, that it does not identify any territory specific to the Palestinians. And there was no specific claim made by the Palestinians to self-determination and independence, over any specific territory occupied by the Israelis. The State of Israel did not deny the Palestinians the right to self-determination.

The West Bank was Jordanian territory. And the People of Gaza made no specific decree one way or the other.

That didn't answer my question.

However,

There was no sovereignty known as Palestine to be concerned about "territorial integrity" prior to 1988​

Palestine's territorial integrity was mentioned in UN resolution 3324 in 1978.

(OBSERVATION)

Citation Correction: A/RES/33/24 29 Nov 1978

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

(COMMENT)

It reaffirms the inalienable right; (Namibia, Zimbabwe and Palestinian people) and ALL PEOPLES. It does not say that the Palestinian People have territory; just the "right" if they had territory. Certainly in 1978, the West Bank was Jordanian Territory. There is an argument to be made that in 1978, the Palestinians had to "right" concerning the Gaza Strip.

But having a "right" to take action concerning self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty, does not mean that you actually have a territory or must have success. No one has to give-up anything to the Palestinians --- no matter what "right" they claim.

I have the right to earn a million dollars, and to own property, that does not mean that someone has to give me anything. The same is true for self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty.

• What action did the Palestinians take regarding any attempt at self-determination?
• What action did the Palestinians take regarding the establishment of independence?
• What action did the Palestinians take to establish:

(a) a permanent population;
(b) a defined territory;
(c) government; and
(d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.​

It is a matter of record that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. (Seventh Arab League Summit 1974) did not declare independence until 1988. In fact, the Palestinians through the Arab Higher Committee, rejected the Partition Plan and attempted through the use of force to overturn the will of the General Assembly and deny the State of Israel its inalienable rights (self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty). In 1978 --- the 1948 War Independence had not yet come to a conclusion; a state of war still existed between Israel and the aggressor Arab League countries (including Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt). The UN indignation, expressed in the non-binding resolution on decolonization was a bit premature, in the accusation of the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights. The resumption of hostilities in 1967 as a defensive move in light of the Straits Closure and the Marshaling of Forces along the Syrian Armistice Line and the Egyptian Armistice Line lead directly to the occupation. The Sneak attack in 1973, by the very same Arab League Forces was merely a continuation of 1948 War of Independence. The Occupation of the various territories was a strategic defense move to avert further aggression.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

The aggressors in 1948 were the Europeans, who attacked the non-Jews that remained in the Jew part of the partition. The Arab states intervened in an attempt to stop the ethnic cleansing and genocide.

" a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

 

[Humanity]

Because your link does not say what you said.

PROOF ? ? ? ? ?

That's all I ask. Quote the passage that says what you say.

How many more times will you play this stupid game, I have given you the link now read it.

As long as you keep ducking.

You are the one ducking because you ignore links already posted, ones you never reply to because you know they are true

Or try Andalucía the Islamic name for Spain

Just a minor point Phoney but the Islamic name, Al-Andalus covered the Iberian peninsula and a bit of France for a short while, NOT just Spain.

Correct but it was mostly Spain, just as Palestine is mostly Jordan 78% to be precise.

Mostly Spain?

It was virtually the whole of Portugal!

 

[Phoenall]

And just where does it say or else we will arrest you for breach of these laws ?

The same UN has called upon hamas and fatah to stop all violence and terrorism and to negotiate peace with their neighbours and mutual agreed borders.

Zionists have never negotiated in good faith. As proved by Bibbi recently

More anti semitic Jew hatred by use of the term Zionist out of context and as a racist slur. All you are doing is using the term Zionist instead of Jew so you wont be seen as a racist. Sorry wont work as we an see right through your islamonazi/neo Marxist stooge brainwashing

Have you never heard of Christian Zionism, you moron? Not all Jewish people are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jewish. Christian Zionism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I don't see Jewish people as any sort of "race" nor do I "hate" Jewish people any more than any other human being. The only "haters" and "racists" on this forum seem to be the pro-Israel Zionist crowd, of which you are very prominent. You want to see the face of a true hater, go look in the mirror.

You are using the term Zionist out of context, much as people like you used the term Israeli out of context. This is because if you used the term Jew or Jewish then you would be shown to be a racist. Once the term Israeli used out of context became seen as a racist term people like you changed to using the term Zionist and Zionism out of context as a substitute for Jew.
This will be used until decent people realise that you are being a racist white supremacist Jew hater, then you will find another term of reference.

Oh good grief. I'll use the term in whatever context I see fit, thanks, and leave it up to the reader to make up their own mind who the true haters and nut-jobs on this forum are.

Israeli is a nationality, not a race.
Jewish refers to adherents to Judaism, a monotheist religion, not a race.
Zionist is a follower of an irridentist political ideolgy based on the disposession by force and continuing oppression of an innocent native people in order to fullfill some fairy tale fantasy written by a bunch of fundamentalist religious fanatics.

We clear now?

No as you are putting your anti semitic slant on it

Yes Israeli is a Nationality

No Jewish is a race, culture and member of a religion

And Zionist is a person that believes the dispossessed Jews of the world should have a homeland and once a homeland is achieved to have the right to defend that homeland from attack.


What you all a Zionist is nothing more than a muslim or a neo Marxist, as both those ideologies follow those rules. So now we know that you are a LYING POS RACIST JEW HATER that would like to see every Jew in Israel murdered in cold blood by the muslims

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nothing in this comment is credible.

These boundaries were claimed in Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence.

HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE ...

A C.1 330 of 14 October 1948​

And, of course, these same international boundaries were referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements. So Palestine's international boundaries remained unchanged in 1949.

UN resolution 3324 of 1978 said that the Palestinians had the right to territorial integrity.

I think it is clear what territory they were talking about.

(COMMENT)

First, 1946 survey map of Palestine clearly defines Palestine's international boundaries as Palestine was define in 1946. At that time, by the Palestine Order in Council, Palestine was that territory to which the Mandate applied. It has noting to do with Palestinian territorial sovereignty or integrity.

The All-Palestine Government was established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948 during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War; not by the Arab Palestinian People.

• The Prime Minister of the Gaza-seated administration was Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (Ottoman born in Lebanese area), and the President was Hajj Amin al-Husseini (Jerusalem born), former Chairman of the Arab Higher Committee (created by the Arab League).
• The All-Palestine Government was under official Egyptian protection, but it had no executive role; remained under Egyptian control through the 1948-49 Arab Israeli War and in exile in Cairo, managing Gazan affairs from outside. The effective jurisdiction of the All Palestine Government was limited to the Gaza Strip subject to Egyptian Military Oversight.
• In 1959, the All-Palestine Government was officially disbanded with some components merged into the United Arab Republic (coming under formal Egyptian military administration) who appointed Egyptian Military Governors in Gaza. The All-Palestine Government's credentials (bona fide sovereign state) were dependent on effective reliance from Egyptian military support, Egyptian political and economic power. With the disillusionment in 1959 --- there was NO ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT in 1978 --- no surviving government with a claim to the entirety of the territory formerly under Mandate.

The Map you posted (Map No. 103.1 (b) February 1956 United Nations BASE MAP: Survey of Palestine, April 1946. Modified) is first generation model of the Partition Plan A/RES/181(II) --- and Annex A to resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947. (It is even marked Annex A in the upper right-hand corner.) The Survey, a Survey of Palestine prepared by Government of Palestine (then under British military occupation/Mandate) for the United Nation Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in 1946, was still defined by the Palestine Order in Council: "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." Between October, 1917, and September, 1918, the whole of Palestine was occupied by the Allied Forces under General Allenby and placed temporarily under a British military administration known as the Allied Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA). If you go to the Survey of Palestine prepared by Government of Palestine you will find it is all about the Mandate. It is one of the great (the best single source) documents that captures the principle concepts surrounding the Mandate Period.

"UN Resolution 3324 of 1978" was written a decade before the Palestinians declared independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

The All-Palestine Government was established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948 during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War; not by the Arab Palestinian People.​

And Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Do you have a point here?

No it was declared by Jews who were legal Palestinian citizens in line with International laws of that time

What international law was that?

 

[toastman]

The aggressors in 1948 were the Europeans, who attacked the non-Jews that remained in the Jew part of the partition. The Arab states intervened in an attempt to stop the ethnic cleansing and genocide.

" a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Liar !Arab invasion

Jews were attacked and massacred WAY before any Arab was killed. Also, the Arab invasion was pre planned. They threatened before hand that if Israel were to become a reality, they would destroy it.

Either way, they clearly are the aggressors as they attacked Israel first when they had no part of the original fight. Not to mention the whole 5 on 1 surrounding Israel thing.

 

[aris2chat]

So Spain was not ruled by the muslims now, according to you.

Huh??? How on earth did you come up with that?

And the muslims did not massacre many Christians and Jews in Spain according to you.

Where did I say that?

And that they did their usual practice of throwing the dismembered bodies into mass graves, according to you.

Really...according to me?

Dude - we were talking about a frigging bone church and now you've suddenly exploded all over the place.

Have you got it yet according to you the muslims did nothing, according to you the muslims are still doing nothing, according to you Jews were not killed at the same time as Christians.

Have you got it yet that you've exploded all over the place into stuff we never even discussed?

According to you the Jews do not have the right to a national home, according to you the arab muslims should be given Israel on a plate.

Really now....where did I say that Phoenall?

Now try looking for bone churches and see how many there are in reality, then look for muslim massacres in Spain. Or try Andalucía the Islamic name for Spain

I did. Maybe it's time you do it and try to substantiate your claims.

I have and you denied their credibility because they go against your brainwashing

Oh?

What links have you provided to show that there are multiple bone churches created from the victims of "Muslim massacres"?

Sedlec Ossuary bones of Muslims
Deir el-Zour Armenian victims of genocide. It was destroyed by IS

Skull Chapel in Czermana are victims of Islamic invasion

Not according to the Smithsonian website:
"From the road, it would be easy to overlook this small, unassuming chapel located in one of the oldest towns in southwestern Poland. But the wooden doors hide a spectacular, macabre interior. The skulls and leg bones of over 3,000 victims of wars and plagues cover the walls and ceiling, and a crypt below, accessible through a trapdoor, houses over 21,000 additional remains. Between 1776 and 1804, the local priest, Vaclav Tomasek, painstakingly gathered, cleaned and carefully arranged skeletons recovered from numerous, shallow mass graves left by the Thirty Years’ War, Silesian Wars and cholera outbreaks. Modeled off of similar ossuaries and catacombs in Rome, the chapel was intended as a shrine for the dead, as well as a “memento mori” for the living.

On the church’s altar, Tomasek placed the bones of important figures and curiosities, including the skull of the local mayor, skulls with bullet holes, a skull deformed by syphilis and the bones of a supposed giant. When the chapel's creator passed away in 1804, his skull was placed on the altar as well."

This Creepily Beautiful Chapel in Czermna Poland Is Constructed Out of Thousands of Human Bones Travel Smithsonian

and also Skull Chapel Czermna - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Not a Muslim in sight until 1671, and even then the nearest they got was western Ukraine.

Muslims from 1444 to 1699 in Poland. Chapel was built 1776 from bones in a mass grave. Christians would not have been buried in mass graves but enemy muslims would have been.
Plague avoided poland.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, our friend "Phoenall" is absolutely correct.

No it was declared by Jews who were legal Palestinian citizens in line with International laws of that time

What international law was that?

(COMMENT)

Palestine Citizenship Order of 24 July 1925 (Statutory Rules and Orders, I925, No. 777; which came into force on 1 August 1925)
Article 7 of the Palestine Mandate required the Administration of Palestine to enact a nationality law.

The regulations under the Immigration Ordinance, 1925, set up a statutory procedure for the introduction of Jewish immigrant labour into Palestine. The Palestinian Citizenship Order in Council, 1925, facilitates the acquisition of Palestinian nationality by persons settling in the country, including those who opted for Palestinian citizenship under the Palestine Legislative Council Election Order in Council, 1922.

The Palestinian Citizenship Order in Council which was made in August, 1925, provides for the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by persons habitually resident in the country who were Ottoman subjects, and persons who were foreign subjects and take up permanent residence.

The Mandate and Citizenship

Class A mandates (Syria, Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon and Transjordan) recognised the peoples of these territories to have reached advanced stage of development and their independence could be recognised once they have achieved a capacity to govern themselves. It is universally and legally accepted that sovereignty in the mandatory territories lie in the inhabitants of the territory in question (Article 22 of the Covenant of The League of Nations).

In Palestine, citizenship status for those living in the country was governed by The Palestine Citizenship Order-in-Council of 24 July 1925 which came into force on 1 August 1925. It regulated Palestine citizenship for the duration of the Mandate. All subjects habitually resident in Palestine on 1 August 1925 became Palestine citizens. Citizenship could also be acquired by birth. Persons born to Palestinian fathers (no matter where that birth took place) acquired Palestine citizenship. Any other person could also acquire citizenship by means of naturalization, subject only to the length of period of residency.

Under International Law, Palestine, throughout the Mandatory period, was to receive administrative assistance and advice from the Mandatory to help it set up its own government. Already, Palestine had its fixed boundaries, its government institutions, its own currency and, in 1934, its national anthem.
​

Special Note: Because of the Nature of the cultures, UNRWA document pertaining to The laws and procedures relating Women's Nationality (Contemporary Laws) is available merely for greater detail. But this information applies to now --- as opposed to then.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

An excellent read, Rocco, thanks for the link.

Partition and the Law - 1948

 

[montelatici]

The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.

 

[toastman]

The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.

The fact that you attack me personally shows how frustrated you are.

Poor Monti cannot accept the truth. You cannot change the definition of a word to suit your agenda. Any land that was conquered had nothing to with the immigration process. Oh, and it was the ARABS that started the war you are talking about. Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..

The word invasion has several definitions, none of which apply to the European immigration. But the main definition is a military offensive

Go to your doctor Monti, maybe he can treat you for your truth allergies..

 

[montelatici]

• What action did the Palestinians take regarding any attempt at self-determination?

The Christians and Muslims of the Palestinian Delegation in London attempted to peacefully convince the Mandatory to accept their constitution for an independent state as early as 1922. In the first letter the Palestinian Delegation of Muslims and Christians wrote, in part:

"The Delegation requests that the constitution for Palestine should—

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  (1) Safeguard the civil, political and economic interests of the People.
  (2) Provide for the creation of a national independent Government in accordance with the spirit of paragraph 4, Article 22, of the Covenant of the League of Nations."

• What action did the Palestinians take regarding the establishment of independence?

The Arab revolt for independence of 1936-1939 was waged against the Europeans (British and Jewish). The 1937 Mandatory Report goes into detail regarding this "terrorism" that cost the lives of British soldiers.

Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

• What action did the Palestinians take to establish:

(a) a permanent population;

The Christians and Muslims were always a permanent population in Palestine. What are you going on about?

(b) a defined territory;

The territory of Palestine was clearly defined.

(c) government; and

The Christians and Muslims wanted to establish a Government and pleaded with the British to allow them to do so as early as 1922

"The Delegation are, therefore, convinced that nothing will safeguard their interests but the creation of a National Government on the lines laid down in No. 2 of our demands found at the close of our letter to you dated 21st February, 1922. A National Government is the only authority that is competent to decide what is good and what is bad for these people.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

(d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The British would not allow the Christians and Muslims to establish their Government which would have had the capacity to enter into relations with other states, nor did they recognize the proposed Palestinian constitution, but the Christians and Muslims spent months in London trying to convince the British.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

 

[P F Tinmore]

The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.

The fact that you attack me personally shows how frustrated you are.

Poor Monti cannot accept the truth. You cannot change the definition of a word to suit your agenda. Any land that was conquered had nothing to with the immigration process. Oh, and it was the ARABS that started the war you are talking about. Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..

The word invasion has several definitions, none of which apply to the European immigration. But the main definition is a military offensive

Go to your doctor Monti, maybe he can treat you for your truth allergies..

Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..​

What did they conquer from those 5 countries?

 

[toastman]

The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.

The fact that you attack me personally shows how frustrated you are.

Poor Monti cannot accept the truth. You cannot change the definition of a word to suit your agenda. Any land that was conquered had nothing to with the immigration process. Oh, and it was the ARABS that started the war you are talking about. Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..

The word invasion has several definitions, none of which apply to the European immigration. But the main definition is a military offensive

Go to your doctor Monti, maybe he can treat you for your truth allergies..

Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..​

What did they conquer from those 5 countries?

Nothing .

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You do know that, in addition to A/RES/33/24 being non-binding, that it does not identify any territory specific to the Palestinians. And there was no specific claim made by the Palestinians to self-determination and independence, over any specific territory occupied by the Israelis. The State of Israel did not deny the Palestinians the right to self-determination.

The West Bank was Jordanian territory. And the People of Gaza made no specific decree one way or the other.

That didn't answer my question.

However,

There was no sovereignty known as Palestine to be concerned about "territorial integrity" prior to 1988​

Palestine's territorial integrity was mentioned in UN resolution 3324 in 1978.

(OBSERVATION)

Citation Correction: A/RES/33/24 29 Nov 1978

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

(COMMENT)

It reaffirms the inalienable right; (Namibia, Zimbabwe and Palestinian people) and ALL PEOPLES. It does not say that the Palestinian People have territory; just the "right" if they had territory. Certainly in 1978, the West Bank was Jordanian Territory. There is an argument to be made that in 1978, the Palestinians had to "right" concerning the Gaza Strip.

But having a "right" to take action concerning self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty, does not mean that you actually have a territory or must have success. No one has to give-up anything to the Palestinians --- no matter what "right" they claim.

I have the right to earn a million dollars, and to own property, that does not mean that someone has to give me anything. The same is true for self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty.

• What action did the Palestinians take regarding any attempt at self-determination?
• What action did the Palestinians take regarding the establishment of independence?
• What action did the Palestinians take to establish:

(a) a permanent population;
(b) a defined territory;
(c) government; and
(d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.​

It is a matter of record that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. (Seventh Arab League Summit 1974) did not declare independence until 1988. In fact, the Palestinians through the Arab Higher Committee, rejected the Partition Plan and attempted through the use of force to overturn the will of the General Assembly and deny the State of Israel its inalienable rights (self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty). In 1978 --- the 1948 War Independence had not yet come to a conclusion; a state of war still existed between Israel and the aggressor Arab League countries (including Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt). The UN indignation, expressed in the non-binding resolution on decolonization was a bit premature, in the accusation of the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights. The resumption of hostilities in 1967 as a defensive move in light of the Straits Closure and the Marshaling of Forces along the Syrian Armistice Line and the Egyptian Armistice Line lead directly to the occupation. The Sneak attack in 1973, by the very same Arab League Forces was merely a continuation of 1948 War of Independence. The Occupation of the various territories was a strategic defense move to avert further aggression.

Most Respectfully,
R

• What action did the Palestinians take to establish:

(a) a permanent population;
(b) a defined territory;
(c) government; and
(d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.
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A and B they already had.

C and D they couldn't do with a gun in their face.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.

The fact that you attack me personally shows how frustrated you are.

Poor Monti cannot accept the truth. You cannot change the definition of a word to suit your agenda. Any land that was conquered had nothing to with the immigration process. Oh, and it was the ARABS that started the war you are talking about. Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..

The word invasion has several definitions, none of which apply to the European immigration. But the main definition is a military offensive

Go to your doctor Monti, maybe he can treat you for your truth allergies..

Jews conquered land AFTER they were attacked by 5 countries..​

What did they conquer from those 5 countries?

Nothing .

Then why your stupid post?