Fifty Years After Saigon: Remembering the Nobility of a Betrayed Cause

[gipper]

Many of those US forces were routed and had their balls frozen off.

Very true. The Battle of the Chosin Reservoir was horrific.

Just another dumb war.

 

[gipper]

Yes - and as such the entire US action only brought more misery and death - notably for Koreans.

Mao was very concerned, especially in regards to high casualties (and its all recorded) - after all his eldest son Mao Ying was one of the casualties.

I didn’t know that about Mao. I suspected he didn’t care about casualties, because the military tactics the Chinese used during the Korean War often lead to horrific casualties.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Very true. The Battle of the Chosin Reservoir was horrific.

Just another dumb war.

My uncle was there. He had PTSD like a mother. Car horns would sometimes set him off. On the positive he lived in Southern Cali and never got cold again.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Lol. Dumb ass. You know nothing.

The US killed millions in SE Asia during the Vietnam War.

No we didn't. From Viet Views Exploring and understanding Vietnam:
"

Vietnamese deaths during American War:​

ARVN (Army of the Republic of Viet Nam) [South Vietnam} : 250,000
NVA (North Vietnam Army) : 1,100,000
North civilians: 65,000
South civilians: Est. from 391,000 to 720,000
In 1995 the government of Viet Nam had a study that estimated 2,000,000 Vietnamese were killed on both sides during the war.

Source: Best guess based on various estimates, such as PBS in America and Viet Nam's government. "

 

[AZrailwhale]

And yet the Chinese pushed the US and allied forces all the back to the 38th parallel.

I doubt Mao cared about high casualties, as he certainly didn’t during the Korean War. I suspect there were valid reasons why he chose not to intervene directly.

The Chinese "Volunteer Army" pushed well south of the 38th Parallel, the UN counterattack forced them back. UN Command decided to stop at the 38th Parallel instead of pushing into North Korea.

 

[AZrailwhale]

At least two million in Vietnam, and that isn't counting Laos and Cambodia.

Even the Vietnamese use a far smaller figure. Their estimate of TOTAL casualties (civilian AND military) is 2,000,000, 1,100,000 of whom were uniformed military and part of the remainder were militia and civilian defense workers. 720,000 of that number were South Vietnamese soldiers and civilians. See my post #144 for the exact figures the PRVN uses.

 

[Deadstick]

What you get is comic book level propaganda which is what you just posted you stupid ******

The Us was defending an ally not engaging in imperialism and it was the communists NOT the vietnamese you ignorant retard

Did those communists come from the Moon you dumb bastard? they were Vietnamese, the US doesn't have allies it has vassals and if you think the South Vietnamese Regime were democratic get your head tested.

 

[Kruska]

I didn’t know that about Mao. I suspected he didn’t care about casualties, because the military tactics the Chinese used during the Korean War often lead to horrific casualties.

There are tens of thousands of notes and scriptures by MAO - providing a perfect insight into his "worries" about the Korean war.

China was militarily nowhere in regards to the USA or even to the KMT in that matter - so the CCP could only base it's commitment onto massive and costly infantry onslaughts. The best taken care elderly people in China are for that exact reason Korean war veterans. My father in law is one of them.

PLA

His Korea War medal

I would even dare to say - those horrific losses of the Chinese in Korea are the main reason why China did not engage directly into the later Vietnam war.

 

[Kruska]

The Chinese "Volunteer Army" pushed well south of the 38th Parallel, the UN counterattack forced them back. UN Command decided to stop at the 38th Parallel instead of pushing into North Korea.

They didn't just decide to stop - but were forced to stop - because they didn't want to risk the PLA to get involved.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Did those communists come from the Moon you dumb bastard? they were Vietnamese, the US doesn't have allies it has vassals and if you think the South Vietnamese Regime were democratic get your head tested.

South Vietnam was a protectorate of SEATO. We were responding along with, Australia, South Korea, and several other SEATO members to aggression by North Vietnam.

 

[AZrailwhale]

They didn't just decide to stop - but were forced to stop - because they didn't want to risk the PLA to get involved.

The PLA and PLAF were already involved. Over a million PLA troops were in South Korea taking well over 1,500,000 KIA and WIA, the PLAF was operating over three thousand aircraft, mostly fighters during the Korean War and lost over nine hundred to UN aircraft.

 

[Kruska]

The PLA and PLAF were already involved. Over a million PLA troops were in South Korea taking well over 1,500,000 KIA and WIA, the PLAF was operating over three thousand aircraft, mostly fighters during the Korean War and lost over nine hundred to UN aircraft.

The PLAF yes - the PLA no, for good reasons. So Mao send the People's Volunteer Army (PVA) of which not even half were from the PLA and only armed with infantry weapons and light AA and some rare artillery units - their Unit leaders were from the PLA.
All the heavy weaponry was kept by the PLA. So the PVA acted against the American aggression in the guise of the UN.

I know the FACTS from dozens of Chinese-Korea veterans.

As for WIA - I wouldn't know - as for KIA less then 200,000, of which half did not die due to combat.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Well it did accomplish something in Korea because the Western forces were stopped from occupying all of Korea or even invading China over the Yalu River which that lunatic Mac Aurthur would like to have tried.

You mean freeing All of Korea from the monstrous Kim regime.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Did those communists come from the Moon you dumb bastard? they were Vietnamese, the US doesn't have allies it has vassals and if you think the South Vietnamese Regime were democratic get your head tested.

Wrong you idiotic ************. They came from NORTH Vietnam and started and aggressive war of terror invading SOUTH vietnam.

I never said gthey were democratic but neiher was north and Minh was not justified in launching an invasion of communist expansion

 

[Soupnazi630]

Lol. Dumb ass. You know nothing.

The US killed millions in SE Asia during the Vietnam War.

No they did not you uneducated DOLT

I know more than you about everything you are a proven brainwashed idiot and we all know it

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yes - and as such the entire US action only brought more misery and death - notably for Koreans.

Mao was very concerned, especially in regards to high casualties (and its all recorded) - after all his eldest son Mao Ying was one of the casualties.

The reality and history of North Korea proves you wrong. Those people have suffered more than any nation of earth

The US action prevented that for the whole peninsula.

It is not recorded.

Moa did not give a damn about endless causaltiues

You are laughably wrong

 

[Soupnazi630]

Many of those US forces were routed and had their balls frozen off.

And then recovered and stopped the communists dead cold

 

[Soupnazi630]

It's the same mindset many Germans had with Nazi crimes a ubermench mentality, when those bastards were murdering women and kids at My Lai they didn't think of them as humans, you can tell by some on the forum have the same mentality the way they talk about Arabs or Muslims.

Mai Lai is all you have because it was an isolated incident were a few hundred were murdered.

You have no empathy for the THOSUANDS slaughtered by the north in Hue city alone

Gipper is an uneducated fool like you who knows nothing about this history you are spewing proven PROPAGANDA

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yes. He proved that in the Korean War.

Yet another war where the US carpet bombed civilians causing enormous casualties and destruction. They still hate us for that, as anyone with a brain would expect.

Yet more made up crap from you themost ignorant and uneducated turn on this forum

 

[Soupnazi630]

As you know, dumb Americans have no clue the harms their government has caused. Or, they justify those harms thinking their nation is justified in doing whatever it wants.

You are liar who never provides evidence for his dumb **** claims

Like the way I OWNED and you and made a fool of you and your dip shit conspiracy theories