Fifty Years After Saigon: Remembering the Nobility of a Betrayed Cause

[gipper]

So we should have just let the Soviets expand their influence during the Cold War?

Lol. So dumb, but typical.

How about this?
So we should massacre civilians by the millions, because it could stop Soviet expansion.





Do cons know anything?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Give it up you lost it's over stop punishing yourself, there are quite a few Americans who actually live in Vietnam these days.

There are americans living in many parts of the world which does not even challenge his accurate description of vietnam.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Lol. So dumb, but typical.

How about this?
So we should massacre civilians by the millions, because it could stop Soviet expansion.





Do cons know anything?

We did not massacre civilians by the millions the communists did

DUMBASS

and yes oswald acted alone which was proven and you know it is true DUMBASS

 

[Stryder50]

I imagine they did not want a second war with China in a decade.

More like expanding the second war.
China was already involved, feeding weapons and supplies into North Vietnam.
The question ~ risk would have been how much more can/will China want to get involved.

 

[Deadstick]

More like expanding the second war.
China was already involved, feeding weapons and supplies into North Vietnam.
The question ~ risk would have been how much more can/will China want to get involved.

You should think yourself lucky the Chinese didn't get involved like Korea, they could have put a couple of million combat troops into Vietnam.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You should think yourself lucky the Chinese didn't get involved like Korea, they could have put a couple of million combat troops into Vietnam.

And accomplished nothing just like in korea which ended up with the same status quo as before the war

 

[Deadstick]

And accomplished nothing just like in korea which ended up with the same status quo as before the war

Well it did accomplish something in Korea because the Western forces were stopped from occupying all of Korea or even invading China over the Yalu River which that lunatic Mac Aurthur would like to have tried.

 

[mikegriffith1]

You should think yourself lucky the Chinese didn't get involved like Korea, they could have put a couple of million combat troops into Vietnam.

You are years behind the information curve. We've known for decades that Mao had no intention of sending combat units into Vietnam, largely because Red Chinese forces were badly mauled in the Korean War. Mao was willing to provide massive aid to North Vietnam and to put some logistics troops into the northern part of North Vietnam, but that was as far as he was willing to go.

The boogey man of Chinese intervention was used by defeatist liberals to talk LBJ out of attacking the NVA/VC sanctuaries in Cambodia and Laos, to talk him out of making full use of our air power against North Vietnam, and to talk him out of mining Haiphong Harbor. When Nixon unleashed two massive bombing campaigns against North Vietnam and mined Haiphong Harbor (and other harbors) in 1972, the Chinese did not intervene, despite urgent pleas from Hanoi that they do so.

 

[martybegan]

Lol. So dumb, but typical.

How about this?
So we should massacre civilians by the millions, because it could stop Soviet expansion.





Do cons know anything?

Answer the question.

 

[gipper]

We did not massacre civilians by the millions the communists did

DUMBASS

and yes oswald acted alone which was proven and you know it is true DUMBASS

Lol. Dumb ass. You know nothing.

The US killed millions in SE Asia during the Vietnam War.

 

[gipper]

Answer the question.

FU.

Think idiot!

 

[Zincwarrior]

More like expanding the second war.
China was already involved, feeding weapons and supplies into North Vietnam.
The question ~ risk would have been how much more can/will China want to get involved.

Yes, I think they wanted to avoid avoid direct combat between the US and the PLA, but I am no expert on the Vietnam conflict.

 

[gipper]

You are years behind the information curve. We've known for decades that Mao had no intention of sending combat units into Vietnam, largely because Red Chinese forces were badly mauled in the Korean War. Mao was willing to provide massive aid to North Vietnam and to put some logistics troops into the northern part of North Vietnam, but that was as far as he was willing to go.

The boogey man of Chinese intervention was used by defeatist liberals to talk LBJ out of attacking the NVA/VC sanctuaries in Cambodia and Laos, to talk him out of making full use of our air power against North Vietnam, and to talk him out of mining Haiphong Harbor. When Nixon unleashed two massive bombing campaigns against North Vietnam and mined Haiphong Harbor (and other harbors) in 1972, the Chinese did not intervene, despite urgent pleas from Hanoi that they do so.

And yet the Chinese pushed the US and allied forces all the back to the 38th parallel.

I doubt Mao cared about high casualties, as he certainly didn’t during the Korean War. I suspect there were valid reasons why he chose not to intervene directly.

 

[Deadstick]

Lol. Dumb ass. You know nothing.

The US killed millions in SE Asia during the Vietnam War.

At least two million in Vietnam, and that isn't counting Laos and Cambodia.

 

[Deadstick]

And yet the Chinese pushed the US and allied forces all the back to the 38th parallel.

I doubt Mao cared about high casualties, as he certainly didn’t during the Korean War. I suspect there were valid reasons why he chose not to intervene directly.

I think if he thought China was under direct threat he would have.

 

[gipper]

At least two million in Vietnam, and that isn't counting Laos and Cambodia.

As you know, dumb Americans have no clue the harms their government has caused. Or, they justify those harms thinking their nation is justified in doing whatever it wants.

 

[gipper]

I think if he thought China was under direct threat he would have.

Yes. He proved that in the Korean War.

Yet another war where the US carpet bombed civilians causing enormous casualties and destruction. They still hate us for that, as anyone with a brain would expect.

 

[Deadstick]

As you know, dumb Americans have no clue the harms their government has caused. Or, they justify those harms thinking their nation can do whatever it wants.

It's the same mindset many Germans had with Nazi crimes a ubermench mentality, when those bastards were murdering women and kids at My Lai they didn't think of them as humans, you can tell by some on the forum have the same mentality the way they talk about Arabs or Muslims.

 

[Deadstick]

And yet the Chinese pushed the US and allied forces all the back to the 38th parallel.

I doubt Mao cared about high casualties, as he certainly didn’t during the Korean War. I suspect there were valid reasons why he chose not to intervene directly.

Many of those US forces were routed and had their balls frozen off.

 

[Kruska]

And yet the Chinese pushed the US and allied forces all the back to the 38th parallel.

Yes - and as such the entire US action only brought more misery and death - notably for Koreans.

I doubt Mao cared about high casualties, as he certainly didn’t during the Korean War. I suspect there were valid reasons why he chose not to intervene directly.

Mao was very concerned, especially in regards to high casualties (and its all recorded) - after all his eldest son Mao Ying was one of the casualties.