Oh.. So if the University has a dual name -- that protects it from the purge? Lee spent most of his adult life in the North working for military and advancing education. He made a choice. Was not vested in slavery. His HOME is now the land for Arlington Cemetery. Wanna erase that history as well?
We shouldn't celebrate traitors. Plain and simple. You signed up to fight for the enemy of the nation....you are the enemy of the nation. They deserve no public accolades, no public recognition, and zero public funding for preservation of any honorarium.
Take all of the names off the schools...
Take all of the statuary and move it into a museum (it is our history--warts and all)...
Take all of the roads and change the names....
They seceded from the Union. That was an option. The Founders addressed the need to periodically overthrow govts that didn't represent their interests. The Southern economy and culture was VASTLY different from the North and they were being forced to pay for Northern infrastructure that they didn't need.
You're not hanging enough people on your team talking about CalExit and resisting Federal immigration then. Go round up the "traitors"..
That's OUR HISTORY. It won't be re-written because you hold 250 yr old grudges. You're worse than a Southern family with a Stars and Bars. You're STILL FIGHTING the damn war. Give it up. It's looks retarded.
There’s no provision for secession in the constitution. And Madison was explicit that no such power existed. Plus, all the forts were federal property.
When the south attacked US soldiers on federal land.....they sparked the military conflict.
The Constitution only lists the RIGHTS of the federal govt. Everything else is reserved to the states and people respectively. So of course --- "there's no RIGHT of secession" in the Constitution. It's reserved to the states and the people respectively.
Have no idea what Madison quote you're referring to ----- but it's CLEARLY in our Declaration of Independence.
"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315
- "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." --Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1787.
- "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356
Nope. The constitution doesn’t list a single government right. Governments don’t have rights. They have powers. People have rights.
The USSC has adjudicated the issue and found that no state has the power to secede. Madison affirmed the same, recognizing that no power was possessed by any state nor ever intended to. You’re mixing up the right of revolution (to overthrow the government, which Madison most definitely recognized) with the right to secede (which Madison rejected explicitly).
Here are Madison’s writings on the topic.
“I partake of the wonder that the men you name should view secession in the light mentioned. The essential difference between a free Government and Governments not free, is that the former is founded in compact, the parties to which are mutually and equally bound by it. Neither of them therefore can have a greater fight to break off from the bargain, than the other or others have to hold them to it. And certainly there is nothing in the Virginia resolutions of –98, adverse to this principle, which is that of common sense and common justice. The fallacy which draws a different conclusion from them lies in confounding a single party, with the parties to the Constitutional compact of the United States.
James Madison.
You’re engaged in the very fallacy that Madison described, conflating the single party (a lone state) with the parties to the compact of the United States (3/4 of all the states). Only the latter has the power you insist that any individual state has. Which is among the many reasons you’re obviously wrong.
As for Jefferson, you couldn’t cite a more irrelevant founder. He wasn’t a delegate for any state in the constitutional convention, didn’t attend the constitutional convention, nor was even in the country at the time of the writing of the constitution.
James Madison, the father of the constitution, most definitely was. The USSC rejecting a power to secede resolves any legal dispute on the matter and Madison resolves any argument of intention of the founders when writing the constitution.
There was no power to secede. A state can only leave the way it entered.....via the power of the constitutional compact of the United States: a 3/4 majority.
I agree with you. There is nothing in the document that prohibits Wisconsin (just to pick a state) from launching an expedition to Mars and claiming it as part of Wisconsin. Can they do such a thing just because there is no mention in the document? As far as I know, there is nothing that prohibits Wisconsin from stamping barcodes on their citizen’s foreheads either. Should they be allowed to do so because there is no prohibition to it? Can they institute a one-child policy like China had/has? Can they outlaw Chocolate Ice Cream? Can they divide into 4 sub states—40 sub states? If Alberta were to secede from Canada or if there were an island for sale in the South Pacific; could WI annex Alberta…send in their troops to secure it in an armed conflict or buy the island?