Few Years Ago the Left Declared War on Confederate Statues; Now we have MORE Confederate Statues

The monuments are being discovered faster than they are being removed.
“That’s because the same outrage that led to the removal of some memorials has led to the identification of others. Confederate sites, most of them established long ago, are being discovered faster they’re being removed.”
I pointed that out, but 44 new ones have been established as well, dude, and the other statues are mostly only being moved to new locations for a bigger net gain.

You libs should be put in charge of a War Against Prosperity and we would all be billionaires.
 
Geez.

You Southerners really need to get over this Civil War obsession of yours.
 
Geez.

You Southerners really need to get over this Civil War obsession of yours.
We are not the ones tearing down historic monuments like the Taliban, doofus.

That is the leftwing Stalinists that now run the Dimocratic Party.
 
We are not the ones tearing down historic monuments like the Taliban, doofus.

That is the leftwing Stalinists that now run the Dimocratic Party.

Nevertheless, you people do have a Civil War obsession.

And please, don’t make me say it!
 
And please, don’t make me say it!
Defending the symbols and memorials of our history is not obsession on our part, it is obsession on the part of those who want to rewrite history, and that is all the Taliban left.
 
You have statues but what you don`t have is slaves and they`re not coming back no matter how much homage you give to your statues of treasonous losers. :)

And you're not gonna erase the Civil War or it's players. I live between 3 Civil War battlefields. They attract over 1 Million visitors per year. That history needs to REMAIN to sanctify the carnage on this land.

Who's home is the land for Arlington National Cemetary? Want to erase THAT fact? What about Washington and Lee University -- wanna put the Taliban purge and destruction to THAT?
Washington didn`t lead troops into battle against the United States. See the difference between Washington and Lee? Washington wasn`t a treasonous traitor.

Oh.. So if the University has a dual name -- that protects it from the purge? Lee spent most of his adult life in the North working for military and advancing education. He made a choice. Was not vested in slavery. His HOME is now the land for Arlington Cemetery. Wanna erase that history as well?

We shouldn't celebrate traitors. Plain and simple. You signed up to fight for the enemy of the nation....you are the enemy of the nation. They deserve no public accolades, no public recognition, and zero public funding for preservation of any honorarium.

Take all of the names off the schools...
Take all of the statuary and move it into a museum (it is our history--warts and all)...
Take all of the roads and change the names....
 
You have statues but what you don`t have is slaves and they`re not coming back no matter how much homage you give to your statues of treasonous losers. :)
Where did the OP say he wanted slaves?
And anyway, it’s the democraps who love exploiting people for slave labour.

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Most of the law center survey’s newly recorded memorials are not themselves new. Many date from 1890 to 1914, when the South reversed the effects of Reconstruction, systematically denied blacks the right to vote and redefined the primary Confederate war aim as the protection of states’ rights, not slavery. This theory, regarded as specious by most academic historians, is called “The Lost Cause.’’
 
You have statues but what you don`t have is slaves and they`re not coming back no matter how much homage you give to your statues of treasonous losers. :)

And you're not gonna erase the Civil War or it's players. I live between 3 Civil War battlefields. They attract over 1 Million visitors per year. That history needs to REMAIN to sanctify the carnage on this land.

Who's home is the land for Arlington National Cemetary? Want to erase THAT fact? What about Washington and Lee University -- wanna put the Taliban purge and destruction to THAT?
Washington didn`t lead troops into battle against the United States. See the difference between Washington and Lee? Washington wasn`t a treasonous traitor.

Oh.. So if the University has a dual name -- that protects it from the purge? Lee spent most of his adult life in the North working for military and advancing education. He made a choice. Was not vested in slavery. His HOME is now the land for Arlington Cemetery. Wanna erase that history as well?

We shouldn't celebrate traitors. Plain and simple. You signed up to fight for the enemy of the nation....you are the enemy of the nation. They deserve no public accolades, no public recognition, and zero public funding for preservation of any honorarium.

Take all of the names off the schools...
Take all of the statuary and move it into a museum (it is our history--warts and all)...
Take all of the roads and change the names....

They seceded from the Union. That was an option. The Founders addressed the need to periodically overthrow govts that didn't represent their interests. The Southern economy and culture was VASTLY different from the North and they were being forced to pay for Northern infrastructure that they didn't need.

You're not hanging enough people on your team talking about CalExit and resisting Federal immigration then. Go round up the "traitors"..

That's OUR HISTORY. It won't be re-written because you hold 250 yr old grudges. You're worse than a Southern family with a Stars and Bars. You're STILL FIGHTING the damn war. Give it up. It's looks retarded.
 
You have statues but what you don`t have is slaves and they`re not coming back no matter how much homage you give to your statues of treasonous losers. :)

And you're not gonna erase the Civil War or it's players. I live between 3 Civil War battlefields. They attract over 1 Million visitors per year. That history needs to REMAIN to sanctify the carnage on this land.

Who's home is the land for Arlington National Cemetary? Want to erase THAT fact? What about Washington and Lee University -- wanna put the Taliban purge and destruction to THAT?
Washington didn`t lead troops into battle against the United States. See the difference between Washington and Lee? Washington wasn`t a treasonous traitor.

Oh.. So if the University has a dual name -- that protects it from the purge? Lee spent most of his adult life in the North working for military and advancing education. He made a choice. Was not vested in slavery. His HOME is now the land for Arlington Cemetery. Wanna erase that history as well?

We shouldn't celebrate traitors. Plain and simple. You signed up to fight for the enemy of the nation....you are the enemy of the nation. They deserve no public accolades, no public recognition, and zero public funding for preservation of any honorarium.

Take all of the names off the schools...
Take all of the statuary and move it into a museum (it is our history--warts and all)...
Take all of the roads and change the names....

They seceded from the Union. That was an option. The Founders addressed the need to periodically overthrow govts that didn't represent their interests. The Southern economy and culture was VASTLY different from the North and they were being forced to pay for Northern infrastructure that they didn't need.

You're not hanging enough people on your team talking about CalExit and resisting Federal immigration then. Go round up the "traitors"..

That's OUR HISTORY. It won't be re-written because you hold 250 yr old grudges. You're worse than a Southern family with a Stars and Bars. You're STILL FIGHTING the damn war. Give it up. It's looks retarded.

Sure....

Meanwhile back in reality...I hear the Wal marts in the area are stocking up on tiki torches and Red man chewing tobacco for the next round of conservative enlightened discourse
 
Ban tiki torches.

Tiki torches are for Brownie Scouts. REAL torches are required to march in protest.

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Just wear fire retardant clothes.
 
The monuments are being discovered faster than they are being removed.
“That’s because the same outrage that led to the removal of some memorials has led to the identification of others. Confederate sites, most of them established long ago, are being discovered faster they’re being removed.”
I pointed that out, but 44 new ones have been established as well, dude, and the other statues are mostly only being moved to new locations for a bigger net gain.

You libs should be put in charge of a War Against Prosperity and we would all be billionaires.

44 added in 18 years. 49 removed in only 2.
 
You have statues but what you don`t have is slaves and they`re not coming back no matter how much homage you give to your statues of treasonous losers. :)

And you're not gonna erase the Civil War or it's players. I live between 3 Civil War battlefields. They attract over 1 Million visitors per year. That history needs to REMAIN to sanctify the carnage on this land.

Who's home is the land for Arlington National Cemetary? Want to erase THAT fact? What about Washington and Lee University -- wanna put the Taliban purge and destruction to THAT?
Washington didn`t lead troops into battle against the United States. See the difference between Washington and Lee? Washington wasn`t a treasonous traitor.

Oh.. So if the University has a dual name -- that protects it from the purge? Lee spent most of his adult life in the North working for military and advancing education. He made a choice. Was not vested in slavery. His HOME is now the land for Arlington Cemetery. Wanna erase that history as well?

We shouldn't celebrate traitors. Plain and simple. You signed up to fight for the enemy of the nation....you are the enemy of the nation. They deserve no public accolades, no public recognition, and zero public funding for preservation of any honorarium.

Take all of the names off the schools...
Take all of the statuary and move it into a museum (it is our history--warts and all)...
Take all of the roads and change the names....

They seceded from the Union. That was an option. The Founders addressed the need to periodically overthrow govts that didn't represent their interests. The Southern economy and culture was VASTLY different from the North and they were being forced to pay for Northern infrastructure that they didn't need.

You're not hanging enough people on your team talking about CalExit and resisting Federal immigration then. Go round up the "traitors"..

That's OUR HISTORY. It won't be re-written because you hold 250 yr old grudges. You're worse than a Southern family with a Stars and Bars. You're STILL FIGHTING the damn war. Give it up. It's looks retarded.

There’s no provision for secession in the constitution. And Madison was explicit that no such power existed. Plus, all the forts were federal property.

When the south attacked US soldiers on federal land.....they sparked the military conflict.
 
Because of Trump, racist Republicans have become so bold, they don't even bother to wear hoods or masks anymore.

Look at those racists in Charlottesville.
 
And you're not gonna erase the Civil War or it's players. I live between 3 Civil War battlefields. They attract over 1 Million visitors per year. That history needs to REMAIN to sanctify the carnage on this land.

Who's home is the land for Arlington National Cemetary? Want to erase THAT fact? What about Washington and Lee University -- wanna put the Taliban purge and destruction to THAT?
Washington didn`t lead troops into battle against the United States. See the difference between Washington and Lee? Washington wasn`t a treasonous traitor.

Oh.. So if the University has a dual name -- that protects it from the purge? Lee spent most of his adult life in the North working for military and advancing education. He made a choice. Was not vested in slavery. His HOME is now the land for Arlington Cemetery. Wanna erase that history as well?

We shouldn't celebrate traitors. Plain and simple. You signed up to fight for the enemy of the nation....you are the enemy of the nation. They deserve no public accolades, no public recognition, and zero public funding for preservation of any honorarium.

Take all of the names off the schools...
Take all of the statuary and move it into a museum (it is our history--warts and all)...
Take all of the roads and change the names....

They seceded from the Union. That was an option. The Founders addressed the need to periodically overthrow govts that didn't represent their interests. The Southern economy and culture was VASTLY different from the North and they were being forced to pay for Northern infrastructure that they didn't need.

You're not hanging enough people on your team talking about CalExit and resisting Federal immigration then. Go round up the "traitors"..

That's OUR HISTORY. It won't be re-written because you hold 250 yr old grudges. You're worse than a Southern family with a Stars and Bars. You're STILL FIGHTING the damn war. Give it up. It's looks retarded.

There’s no provision for secession in the constitution. And Madison was explicit that no such power existed. Plus, all the forts were federal property.

When the south attacked US soldiers on federal land.....they sparked the military conflict.

The Constitution only lists the RIGHTS of the federal govt. Everything else is reserved to the states and people respectively. So of course --- "there's no RIGHT of secession" in the Constitution. It's reserved to the states and the people respectively.

Have no idea what Madison quote you're referring to ----- but it's CLEARLY in our Declaration of Independence.

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315
  • "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." --Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1787.
  • "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356
 
What Madison actually pitched at the Constitutional Convention was THIS distinction. (from the Wiki under secession in the US)..

Madison discussed "revolution" versus "secession":

I return my thanks for the copy of your late very powerful Speech in the Senate of the United S. It crushes "nullification" and must hasten the abandonment of "Secession". But this dodges the blow by confounding the claim to secede at will, with the right of seceding from intolerable oppression. The former answers itself, being a violation, without cause, of a faith solemnly pledged. The latter is another name only for revolution, about which there is no theoretic controversy.[30]

In other words -- don't bother the COURTS with claim of secession -- take up arms.
 
Washington didn`t lead troops into battle against the United States. See the difference between Washington and Lee? Washington wasn`t a treasonous traitor.

Oh.. So if the University has a dual name -- that protects it from the purge? Lee spent most of his adult life in the North working for military and advancing education. He made a choice. Was not vested in slavery. His HOME is now the land for Arlington Cemetery. Wanna erase that history as well?

We shouldn't celebrate traitors. Plain and simple. You signed up to fight for the enemy of the nation....you are the enemy of the nation. They deserve no public accolades, no public recognition, and zero public funding for preservation of any honorarium.

Take all of the names off the schools...
Take all of the statuary and move it into a museum (it is our history--warts and all)...
Take all of the roads and change the names....

They seceded from the Union. That was an option. The Founders addressed the need to periodically overthrow govts that didn't represent their interests. The Southern economy and culture was VASTLY different from the North and they were being forced to pay for Northern infrastructure that they didn't need.

You're not hanging enough people on your team talking about CalExit and resisting Federal immigration then. Go round up the "traitors"..

That's OUR HISTORY. It won't be re-written because you hold 250 yr old grudges. You're worse than a Southern family with a Stars and Bars. You're STILL FIGHTING the damn war. Give it up. It's looks retarded.

There’s no provision for secession in the constitution. And Madison was explicit that no such power existed. Plus, all the forts were federal property.

When the south attacked US soldiers on federal land.....they sparked the military conflict.

The Constitution only lists the RIGHTS of the federal govt. Everything else is reserved to the states and people respectively. So of course --- "there's no RIGHT of secession" in the Constitution. It's reserved to the states and the people respectively.

Have no idea what Madison quote you're referring to ----- but it's CLEARLY in our Declaration of Independence.

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315
  • "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." --Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1787.
  • "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

Nope. The constitution doesn’t list a single government right. Governments don’t have rights. They have powers. People have rights.

The USSC has adjudicated the issue and found that no state has the power to secede. Madison affirmed the same, recognizing that no power was possessed by any state nor ever intended to. You’re mixing up the right of revolution (to overthrow the government, which Madison most definitely recognized) with the right to secede (which Madison rejected explicitly).

Here are Madison’s writings on the topic.

“I partake of the wonder that the men you name should view secession in the light mentioned. The essential difference between a free Government and Governments not free, is that the former is founded in compact, the parties to which are mutually and equally bound by it. Neither of them therefore can have a greater fight to break off from the bargain, than the other or others have to hold them to it. And certainly there is nothing in the Virginia resolutions of –98, adverse to this principle, which is that of common sense and common justice. The fallacy which draws a different conclusion from them lies in confounding a single party, with the parties to the Constitutional compact of the United States.

James Madison.


You’re engaged in the very fallacy that Madison described, conflating the single party (a lone state) with the parties to the compact of the United States (3/4 of all the states). Only the latter has the power you insist that any individual state has. Which is among the many reasons you’re obviously wrong.

As for Jefferson, you couldn’t cite a more irrelevant founder. He wasn’t a delegate for any state in the constitutional convention, didn’t attend the constitutional convention, nor was even in the country at the time of the writing of the constitution.

James Madison, the father of the constitution, most definitely was. The USSC rejecting a power to secede resolves any legal dispute on the matter and Madison resolves any argument of intention of the founders when writing the constitution.

There was no power to secede. A state can only leave the way it entered.....via the power of the constitutional compact of the United States: a 3/4 majority.
 
ROFLMAO, the left has had the unintended consequence of raising interest in the Civil War and now we have more memorials, more statues and more awareness of the Southern point of view regarding the War of Northern Aggression.

The left just cant help themselves; 'cause they are Eternal Losers.

Confederate memorials turn up faster than they can be removed a year after Charlottesville

That explains, for example, why the organization’s tally of Confederate monuments (a subset of memorials) has increased from 718 in 2016 to 772, even though over the same period 49 monuments were removed. They include Memphis’ statues of Davis and Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Confederate general accused of presiding over the slaughter of black Union troops. After the war he became the first "grand wizard" of the Ku Klux Klan.

It was the city of Charlottesville's plan to remove statues of Lee and Jackson from two parks that sparked demonstrations last August by far-right groups. A riot erupted when the protesters clashed with counterprotesters; one counterprotester was killed when she was rammed by a car driven into a crowd by a man linked to white supremacist groups.


The conflict became a national political debate after President Trump appeared to equate the white supremacists and their opponents, referring at one point to "very fine people on both sides."

A year later, the statues that prompted it all remain in place; state law prohibits local governments from "disturbing or interfering with" memorials to war veterans.

Old memorials, newly recorded
Most of the law center survey’s newly recorded memorials are not themselves new. Many date from 1890 to 1914, when the South reversed the effects of Reconstruction, systematically denied blacks the right to vote and redefined the primary Confederate war aim as the protection of states’ rights, not slavery. This theory, regarded as specious by most academic historians, is called “The Lost Cause.’’

But the increase in public Confederate memorials is not entirely a matter of record-keeping. At least 44 new ones have been established since the turn of the century.​

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“Few Years Ago the Left Declared War on Confederate Statues…”

This fails as a straw man fallacy and ridiculous rightwing lie – ‘the left’ did no such thing.
 

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