Facts About Judaism

[irosie91]

you make VERY important points----in my extensive experience with
jew haters (grew up in a WASP town and worked with lots of muzzies
from south east asia)--------they are DRAWN to jews like flies to honey.
They talk about jews even in church "sermons" and in mosques

 

[rylah]

Ditch the absolutist approach.
Prayers don't "work"in of their own, they don't heal - only G-d gives the sickness and heals.

Neither I'm sure people were praying for the virus to just stop.
It's all too one-dimentional they way You put it.

There's currently a great awakening among the Jewish community in the world.
People see, intuitively feel, and know there's something BIG going on way beyond.

Some may remain in denial, or choose out of fear.

Infinately big, and although I know this would sound impolite, or non- PC, but I'll anyway say this - infinately connected to them as a nation in the most direct manner possible, than to any other, many see what only the words of the prophets had the capacity to convey.

"And enough for the wise a clue" - Rabbi Zveida on Mishley

Since when the Jewish community is interested in what is going on with goyim around the world?

In their care, is this Jewish community asking for donations?

Since inception as a family and then as a nation.
The responsibility for Tikkun 'Olam involves all humanity.

Rylah: "The responsibility for Tikkun 'Olam involves all humanity."

Time for the righteous to roll up their sleeves and get to work.

Sounds perfect.
How do You see that coming about?

 

[rylah]

you make VERY important points----in my extensive experience with
jew haters (grew up in a WASP town and worked with lots of muzzies
from south east asia)--------they are DRAWN to jews like flies to honey.
They talk about jews even in church "sermons" and in mosques

I don't remember where exactly I've read it,
but there's this idea that nations who develop religions based on Hebrew heritage,
have an unconscious historic anger at Jews, for as a result of the interaction having to face the mere choice between what was deeply rooted and loved in the heritage of their fathers and inability to ignore certain truth that makes it impossible to contain both at the same time - i.e. the choice itself is too apparent towards one direction. And the eventual 'compromise' of worshiping a Jew as god that doesn't 'conclude well'. In two words - cultural shock.

Probably Jung.

 

[irosie91]

you make VERY important points----in my extensive experience with
jew haters (grew up in a WASP town and worked with lots of muzzies
from south east asia)--------they are DRAWN to jews like flies to honey.
They talk about jews even in church "sermons" and in mosques

I don't remember where exactly I've read it,
but there's this idea that nations who develop religions based on Hebrew heritage,
have an unconscious historic anger at Jews, for as a result of the interaction having to face the mere choice between what was deeply rooted and loved in the heritage of their fathers and inability to ignore certain that makes it impossible to contain both at the same time - i.e. the choice itself is too apparent towards one direction. And the eventual 'compromise' of worshiping a Jew as god that doesn't 'conclude well'. In two words - cultural shock.

Probably Jung.

during the course of my long life------I have found it almost impossible to convince Christians and Muslims that jews are not
so FASCINATED with Christianity or Islam as Muslims and Christians
are FASCINATED with Judaism.

 

[irosie91]

cut the "almost"------and make it plain "IMPOSSIBLE"

 

[rylah]

you make VERY important points----in my extensive experience with
jew haters (grew up in a WASP town and worked with lots of muzzies
from south east asia)--------they are DRAWN to jews like flies to honey.
They talk about jews even in church "sermons" and in mosques

I don't remember where exactly I've read it,
but there's this idea that nations who develop religions based on Hebrew heritage,
have an unconscious historic anger at Jews, for as a result of the interaction having to face the mere choice between what was deeply rooted and loved in the heritage of their fathers and inability to ignore certain that makes it impossible to contain both at the same time - i.e. the choice itself is too apparent towards one direction. And the eventual 'compromise' of worshiping a Jew as god that doesn't 'conclude well'. In two words - cultural shock.

Probably Jung.

during the course of my long life------I have found it almost impossible to convince Christians and Muslims that jews are not
so FASCINATED with Christianity or Islam as Muslims and Christians
are FASCINATED with Judaism.

I only realized some glimpse of that seeing that being explained several times here in conversations. Didn't even realize this even had to be brought up - that Christians and Muslims are not appearing in conversations in the shuls, i.e. that we have much more interesting things to talk about.

Did live in a Christian country for some relatively short period, but for some reason, thank G-d, all that dynamic kinda went beyond and passed me virtually unnoticed.

Though as an Israeli, there are things I notice, that were not at all apparent, that once magnified through the scope of long history, makes one shocked and deeply sad. I mean You do read history, all the misery, but it's the small things, like that You've mentioned, that makes one understand how vast that dynamic of interaction, beyond those big events, and what toll it took on most mundane daily life, and what effect such totally unapparent things (to me) had from a psychological perspective, how it influenced the overall attitude to reality, up until today. These things compile into something no history book ever mentions.

You know what I mean, trying to say?

 

[irosie91]

you make VERY important points----in my extensive experience with
jew haters (grew up in a WASP town and worked with lots of muzzies
from south east asia)--------they are DRAWN to jews like flies to honey.
They talk about jews even in church "sermons" and in mosques

I don't remember where exactly I've read it,
but there's this idea that nations who develop religions based on Hebrew heritage,
have an unconscious historic anger at Jews, for as a result of the interaction having to face the mere choice between what was deeply rooted and loved in the heritage of their fathers and inability to ignore certain that makes it impossible to contain both at the same time - i.e. the choice itself is too apparent towards one direction. And the eventual 'compromise' of worshiping a Jew as god that doesn't 'conclude well'. In two words - cultural shock.

Probably Jung.

during the course of my long life------I have found it almost impossible to convince Christians and Muslims that jews are not
so FASCINATED with Christianity or Islam as Muslims and Christians
are FASCINATED with Judaism.

I only realized some glimpse of that seeing that being explained several times here in conversations. Didn't even realize this even had to be brought up - that Christians and Muslims are not appearing in conversations in the shuls, i.e. that we have much more interesting things to talk about.

Did live in a Christian country for some relatively short period, but for some reason, thank G-d, all that dynamic kinda went beyond and passed me virtually unnoticed.

Though as an Israeli, there are things I notice, that were not at all apparent, that once magnified through the scope of long history, makes one shocked and deeply sad. I mean You do read history, all the misery, but it's the small things, like that You've mentioned, that makes one understand how vast that dynamic of interaction, beyond those big events, and what toll it took on most mundane daily life, and what effect such totally unapparent things (to me) had from a psychological perspective, how it influenced the overall attitude to reality, up until today. These things compile into something no history book ever mentions.

You know what I mean, trying to say?

yes----I understand----"WE" all have a kind-of unique life experience. My life was----little kid in the USA in WASPVILLE (1950s) ----not only WASPVILLE----but actually a town sorta "restricted" My family in the early 50s-----jews with FIVE KIDS!!!!! was something of
a shock. ----thus as a five year old in kindergarten I did learn that
I had killed some guy named "jesus" I was so stupid that I thought that the REASON that there were not "colored people" living in town was SIMPLY because no "colored people" wanted to live in that town. Speaking of Israel----my hubby ------Yemenite from a really classical background. What does he "know" about "jesus"?
NUTHIN!! Each year I RETELL the easter story-------but he forgets. What does he know about Muslims? ------well----trying to get away from them for more than 1000 years. As a child I did grow up celebrating with my playmates, ---EASTER AND CHRISTMAS----as the
outsider-------then as a matter of happenstance, I ended up working with lots of muslims and hindus. -----What I learned? BOTH muslims and Christians are OBSESSED with jews. -----not hindus (or Sikhs or jains or Zoroastrians) --------and jews----more or less-------never think about muslims or Christians---------but jews did, in general,
in my time........ALL READ THE KAMASUDTRA. Different people do not know the "culture" of other people------at all

 

[rylah]

you make VERY important points----in my extensive experience with
jew haters (grew up in a WASP town and worked with lots of muzzies
from south east asia)--------they are DRAWN to jews like flies to honey.
They talk about jews even in church "sermons" and in mosques

I don't remember where exactly I've read it,
but there's this idea that nations who develop religions based on Hebrew heritage,
have an unconscious historic anger at Jews, for as a result of the interaction having to face the mere choice between what was deeply rooted and loved in the heritage of their fathers and inability to ignore certain that makes it impossible to contain both at the same time - i.e. the choice itself is too apparent towards one direction. And the eventual 'compromise' of worshiping a Jew as god that doesn't 'conclude well'. In two words - cultural shock.

Probably Jung.

during the course of my long life------I have found it almost impossible to convince Christians and Muslims that jews are not
so FASCINATED with Christianity or Islam as Muslims and Christians
are FASCINATED with Judaism.

I only realized some glimpse of that seeing that being explained several times here in conversations. Didn't even realize this even had to be brought up - that Christians and Muslims are not appearing in conversations in the shuls, i.e. that we have much more interesting things to talk about.

Did live in a Christian country for some relatively short period, but for some reason, thank G-d, all that dynamic kinda went beyond and passed me virtually unnoticed.

Though as an Israeli, there are things I notice, that were not at all apparent, that once magnified through the scope of long history, makes one shocked and deeply sad. I mean You do read history, all the misery, but it's the small things, like that You've mentioned, that makes one understand how vast that dynamic of interaction, beyond those big events, and what toll it took on most mundane daily life, and what effect such totally unapparent things (to me) had from a psychological perspective, how it influenced the overall attitude to reality, up until today. These things compile into something no history book ever mentions.

You know what I mean, trying to say?

yes----I understand----"WE" all have a kind-of unique life experience. My life was----little kid in the USA in WASPVILLE (1950s) ----not only WASPVILLE----but actually a town sorta "restricted" My family in the early 50s-----jews with FIVE KIDS!!!!! was something of
a shock. ----thus as a five year old in kindergarten I did learn that
I had killed some guy named "jesus" I was so stupid that I thought that the REASON that there were not "colored people" living in town was SIMPLY because no "colored people" wanted to live in that town. Speaking of Israel----my hubby ------Yemenite from a really classical background. What does he "know" about "jesus"?
NUTHIN!! Each year I RETELL the easter story-------but he forgets. What does he know about Muslims? ------well----trying to get away from them for more than 1000 years. As a child I did grow up celebrating with my playmates, ---EASTER AND CHRISTMAS----as the
outsider-------then as a matter of happenstance, I ended up working with lots of muslims and hindus. -----What I learned? BOTH muslims and Christians are OBSESSED with jews. -----not hindus (or Sikhs or jains or Zoroastrians) --------and jews----more or less-------never think about muslims or Christians---------but jews did, in general,
in my time........ALL READ THE KAMASUDTRA. Different people do not know the "culture" of other people------at all

Thank You, made me laugh, and wow, what a rich experience!
I always enjoy Your input, ever thought about writing a book?

Maybe it's my lack of flight millage, and one sidedness, or the fact that on my father's side the family always stayed in the land, except for short periods here and there (but always in the neighborhood as close as possible), but You see, it's exactly these small things, that usually don't get out there through all the PC culture, and help connect the dots into a fuller picture about the Galut. One example coming to mind, the story of Rabbi Tovia Singer, how he and others in his neighborhood used to be chased and beaten when seen walking from the Yeshivah home - as a widely common thing. Which is not a story that is usually portrayed when talking about the US. And even all the various cultural flavors brought with Olim, sum up into a very common thing, as if looking through a common prism, rather than mirror life abroad.

It's written that one of the purpose of the Galut, was to collect 'sparks', dispersed through the initial 'breaking of the tools' - and I get it, about the US being one of the best countries that Jews ever lived throughout history, (let alone compared to dying Europe or any of the totally abandoned Arab swamps) - but frankly I can't put my finger on what of sparks are still even left to be gathered. What is so significant beyond sorts of security, that were never historical to spoiled by throughout the history...

What do You think is, or see still renaming there?

 

[ding]

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The “Shulchan Aruch” is a halachic rulebook which contains all the daily routines, and also the practices for holidays and the life cycle. What is permitted and what is forbidden? This book will be a collection of halacha specifically for Noahides.

The “Shulchan Aruch” will be written by the Director of Brit Olam – Noahide World Center – Rav Oury Cherki. a result of many years of mutual efforts with many Noahides. It is being written with the advice and guidance of a forum of rabbis who are experts in the subject of Bnei Noach and the universal message of Judaism.

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The Brit Olam organization is in contact with thousands of Bnei Noach who seek spiritual and halachic guidance.

www.jewishpress.com

You provided an interesting link. What I liked the most is mentioning of the commandment not to murder in regard with prohibition to embarrass someone in public.

Of course, embarrassment of a fellow is considered murder.

And it's multifaceted, aside from what seems today as apparent moral digression,
as much as with murder today, there's a physiological explanation to why embarrassment is considered murder as well, but it doesn't end there as well.

There's a method to Jewish law, and the Rabbinic argumentation is infinitely complex and meticulous , way beyond what can possibly expanded in such a forum.

Only to start grasping the initial thread of a single debate on a single subject on one page of the Gmara, which can be centered at a single phrase or even word of the law, on its initial literal level- can take at best several months (and I'm being large here), even that is virtually impossible without prior grasp of some minimal basis.

But that's if I'm being large here, in reality, if after 3-4 months You grasp 20% that's a significant intellectual achievement. And a person will know this on his own, once that's starts rolling, the feeling of growing up to a rigorous intellectual challenge, as it's commonly expressed - 'it starts tasting like honey'.

Anyway, as already said this is not the platform capable enough of containing such a detailed discourse in the correct way, and I'm certainly not the one fit to take the position.

But to go back to what You've previously pointed out, I'll conclude with another simple example- there're many kinds of theft, as with murder explained above, some are not as obvious initially, namely - there's whats called 'theft of mind' as well, which I think fits more for the example You've previously given.

Hope I didn't confuse it, or made it overly complicated.
We can always take back, and expand as we proceed with the conversation.

Thanks for your input. Frankly, my knowledge is too low for meaningful conversations, to say nothing about discussions. I tried several times to read the Bible (both OT and NT), but have never managed to get it through completely.

Though, during this period significant shift in my mind happened. I no longer consider Judaism as primitive and purely tribal religion compared with Christianity. The contrary is true, it seems.

I am not a religious person. And I think that never will be. There are some aspects of religious life I can't accept (they are common to all religions). Though, it should be interesting to read the book mentioned when it appears. And follow the rules it provides which get along with my feelings and mind.

I am fascinated. What led you to believe that Judaism is primitive
and tribal?

Primitive? No

Tribal? 100%. That’s understandable until they put the tribe above G-d.

What do you mean by 'tribal'?

By the way, it's G-d who prescribes, with exception of 3 conditions,
that the life of a single member of His tribe takes precedent over His entire Torah.

Cliquish.

it’s the conditions.

Too much contempt clouds your ability to form thoughts
that go beyond shallow infantile projection.

But I'll answer anyway - the 3 exceptional conditions are:

1. Sexual immorality
2. Idol worship
3. Murder

Not specifically in that order.
G-d gave Torah to Israel, to live in it, not otherwise.

Except for the above, value of life takes precedent over any Torah law.

I have no contempt but I agree that contempt is one of the things that can cloud objectivity just as unplaced loyalty to a tribal member can cloud objectivity which is what I was referring to in my prior post.

Man’s original sin was worshipping created things instead of the creator. It’s a little more than gold calf’s.

That has nothing to do with a tribe.
Rather a natural human trait, or for that matter of living creatures.

I'm not going to discus the subject of sin,
with a person who thinks G-d of Israel was "born".

It's just not of potential depth, let alone intellectually interesting.

I'm sorry, but move on.

Being looked down upon by Jews for my religious beliefs isn’t anything new. But it is still surprising and ironic each time it happens.

I am fascinated. Can you describe some incident in your life which
involved "Being looked down upon by Jews for...{your} religious
beliefs......" ??? Did it happen in school, on the 'playground' -----
in the street?

No. I never had any contact with Jews until I joined USMB. So imagine my surprise.

Well, you do seem to be especially drawn
to every thread that has to do with Judaism.

What's the motivation?

To understand your beliefs about God. For instance, it has been argued on these boards that the G-d of Abraham is cruel. I have argued that’s not how the Jews of the OT saw it. Unfortunately I have yet to find a Jew who is willing to discuss anything on this subject.

 

[ding]

you make VERY important points----in my extensive experience with
jew haters (grew up in a WASP town and worked with lots of muzzies
from south east asia)--------they are DRAWN to jews like flies to honey.
They talk about jews even in church "sermons" and in mosques

Since you are apparently an expert on Jew haters, in your expert opinion am I Jew hater?

 

[rylah]

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The “Shulchan Aruch” is a halachic rulebook which contains all the daily routines, and also the practices for holidays and the life cycle. What is permitted and what is forbidden? This book will be a collection of halacha specifically for Noahides.

The “Shulchan Aruch” will be written by the Director of Brit Olam – Noahide World Center – Rav Oury Cherki. a result of many years of mutual efforts with many Noahides. It is being written with the advice and guidance of a forum of rabbis who are experts in the subject of Bnei Noach and the universal message of Judaism.

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The Brit Olam organization is in contact with thousands of Bnei Noach who seek spiritual and halachic guidance.

www.jewishpress.com

You provided an interesting link. What I liked the most is mentioning of the commandment not to murder in regard with prohibition to embarrass someone in public.

Of course, embarrassment of a fellow is considered murder.

And it's multifaceted, aside from what seems today as apparent moral digression,
as much as with murder today, there's a physiological explanation to why embarrassment is considered murder as well, but it doesn't end there as well.

There's a method to Jewish law, and the Rabbinic argumentation is infinitely complex and meticulous , way beyond what can possibly expanded in such a forum.

Only to start grasping the initial thread of a single debate on a single subject on one page of the Gmara, which can be centered at a single phrase or even word of the law, on its initial literal level- can take at best several months (and I'm being large here), even that is virtually impossible without prior grasp of some minimal basis.

But that's if I'm being large here, in reality, if after 3-4 months You grasp 20% that's a significant intellectual achievement. And a person will know this on his own, once that's starts rolling, the feeling of growing up to a rigorous intellectual challenge, as it's commonly expressed - 'it starts tasting like honey'.

Anyway, as already said this is not the platform capable enough of containing such a detailed discourse in the correct way, and I'm certainly not the one fit to take the position.

But to go back to what You've previously pointed out, I'll conclude with another simple example- there're many kinds of theft, as with murder explained above, some are not as obvious initially, namely - there's whats called 'theft of mind' as well, which I think fits more for the example You've previously given.

Hope I didn't confuse it, or made it overly complicated.
We can always take back, and expand as we proceed with the conversation.

Thanks for your input. Frankly, my knowledge is too low for meaningful conversations, to say nothing about discussions. I tried several times to read the Bible (both OT and NT), but have never managed to get it through completely.

Though, during this period significant shift in my mind happened. I no longer consider Judaism as primitive and purely tribal religion compared with Christianity. The contrary is true, it seems.

I am not a religious person. And I think that never will be. There are some aspects of religious life I can't accept (they are common to all religions). Though, it should be interesting to read the book mentioned when it appears. And follow the rules it provides which get along with my feelings and mind.

I am fascinated. What led you to believe that Judaism is primitive
and tribal?

Primitive? No

Tribal? 100%. That’s understandable until they put the tribe above G-d.

What do you mean by 'tribal'?

By the way, it's G-d who prescribes, with exception of 3 conditions,
that the life of a single member of His tribe takes precedent over His entire Torah.

Cliquish.

it’s the conditions.

Too much contempt clouds your ability to form thoughts
that go beyond shallow infantile projection.

But I'll answer anyway - the 3 exceptional conditions are:

1. Sexual immorality
2. Idol worship
3. Murder

Not specifically in that order.
G-d gave Torah to Israel, to live in it, not otherwise.

Except for the above, value of life takes precedent over any Torah law.

I have no contempt but I agree that contempt is one of the things that can cloud objectivity just as unplaced loyalty to a tribal member can cloud objectivity which is what I was referring to in my prior post.

Man’s original sin was worshipping created things instead of the creator. It’s a little more than gold calf’s.

That has nothing to do with a tribe.
Rather a natural human trait, or for that matter of living creatures.

I'm not going to discus the subject of sin,
with a person who thinks G-d of Israel was "born".

It's just not of potential depth, let alone intellectually interesting.

I'm sorry, but move on.

Being looked down upon by Jews for my religious beliefs isn’t anything new. But it is still surprising and ironic each time it happens.

I am fascinated. Can you describe some incident in your life which
involved "Being looked down upon by Jews for...{your} religious
beliefs......" ??? Did it happen in school, on the 'playground' -----
in the street?

No. I never had any contact with Jews until I joined USMB. So imagine my surprise.

Well, you do seem to be especially drawn
to every thread that has to do with Judaism.

What's the motivation?

To understand your beliefs about God. For instance, it has been argued on these boards that the G-d of Abraham is cruel. I have argued that’s not how the Jews of the OT saw it. Unfortunately I have yet to find a Jew who is willing to discuss anything on this subject.

Already explained that.

I don't have "beliefs" about G-d.
The G-d of Israel commanded knowledge, not belief.

Maybe if you actually read the answers, people had any interest in interaction.

 

[ding]

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The “Shulchan Aruch” is a halachic rulebook which contains all the daily routines, and also the practices for holidays and the life cycle. What is permitted and what is forbidden? This book will be a collection of halacha specifically for Noahides.

The “Shulchan Aruch” will be written by the Director of Brit Olam – Noahide World Center – Rav Oury Cherki. a result of many years of mutual efforts with many Noahides. It is being written with the advice and guidance of a forum of rabbis who are experts in the subject of Bnei Noach and the universal message of Judaism.

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The Brit Olam organization is in contact with thousands of Bnei Noach who seek spiritual and halachic guidance.

www.jewishpress.com

You provided an interesting link. What I liked the most is mentioning of the commandment not to murder in regard with prohibition to embarrass someone in public.

Of course, embarrassment of a fellow is considered murder.

And it's multifaceted, aside from what seems today as apparent moral digression,
as much as with murder today, there's a physiological explanation to why embarrassment is considered murder as well, but it doesn't end there as well.

There's a method to Jewish law, and the Rabbinic argumentation is infinitely complex and meticulous , way beyond what can possibly expanded in such a forum.

Only to start grasping the initial thread of a single debate on a single subject on one page of the Gmara, which can be centered at a single phrase or even word of the law, on its initial literal level- can take at best several months (and I'm being large here), even that is virtually impossible without prior grasp of some minimal basis.

But that's if I'm being large here, in reality, if after 3-4 months You grasp 20% that's a significant intellectual achievement. And a person will know this on his own, once that's starts rolling, the feeling of growing up to a rigorous intellectual challenge, as it's commonly expressed - 'it starts tasting like honey'.

Anyway, as already said this is not the platform capable enough of containing such a detailed discourse in the correct way, and I'm certainly not the one fit to take the position.

But to go back to what You've previously pointed out, I'll conclude with another simple example- there're many kinds of theft, as with murder explained above, some are not as obvious initially, namely - there's whats called 'theft of mind' as well, which I think fits more for the example You've previously given.

Hope I didn't confuse it, or made it overly complicated.
We can always take back, and expand as we proceed with the conversation.

Thanks for your input. Frankly, my knowledge is too low for meaningful conversations, to say nothing about discussions. I tried several times to read the Bible (both OT and NT), but have never managed to get it through completely.

Though, during this period significant shift in my mind happened. I no longer consider Judaism as primitive and purely tribal religion compared with Christianity. The contrary is true, it seems.

I am not a religious person. And I think that never will be. There are some aspects of religious life I can't accept (they are common to all religions). Though, it should be interesting to read the book mentioned when it appears. And follow the rules it provides which get along with my feelings and mind.

I am fascinated. What led you to believe that Judaism is primitive
and tribal?

Primitive? No

Tribal? 100%. That’s understandable until they put the tribe above G-d.

What do you mean by 'tribal'?

By the way, it's G-d who prescribes, with exception of 3 conditions,
that the life of a single member of His tribe takes precedent over His entire Torah.

Cliquish.

it’s the conditions.

Too much contempt clouds your ability to form thoughts
that go beyond shallow infantile projection.

But I'll answer anyway - the 3 exceptional conditions are:

1. Sexual immorality
2. Idol worship
3. Murder

Not specifically in that order.
G-d gave Torah to Israel, to live in it, not otherwise.

Except for the above, value of life takes precedent over any Torah law.

I have no contempt but I agree that contempt is one of the things that can cloud objectivity just as unplaced loyalty to a tribal member can cloud objectivity which is what I was referring to in my prior post.

Man’s original sin was worshipping created things instead of the creator. It’s a little more than gold calf’s.

That has nothing to do with a tribe.
Rather a natural human trait, or for that matter of living creatures.

I'm not going to discus the subject of sin,
with a person who thinks G-d of Israel was "born".

It's just not of potential depth, let alone intellectually interesting.

I'm sorry, but move on.

Being looked down upon by Jews for my religious beliefs isn’t anything new. But it is still surprising and ironic each time it happens.

I am fascinated. Can you describe some incident in your life which
involved "Being looked down upon by Jews for...{your} religious
beliefs......" ??? Did it happen in school, on the 'playground' -----
in the street?

No. I never had any contact with Jews until I joined USMB. So imagine my surprise.

Well, you do seem to be especially drawn
to every thread that has to do with Judaism.

What's the motivation?

To understand your beliefs about God. For instance, it has been argued on these boards that the G-d of Abraham is cruel. I have argued that’s not how the Jews of the OT saw it. Unfortunately I have yet to find a Jew who is willing to discuss anything on this subject.

Already explained that.

I don't have "beliefs" about G-d.
The commandment is not to believe, rather to know G-d.,

Maybe if you actually read the answers returned, people had interest in interaction.

Nice dodge. I didn’t think you could discuss it, but your pride wouldn’t allow you to say so.

I can answer it in probably 25 words or less. In my own words. Not a video link to a rabbi who never really answers it either.

 

[luchitociencia]

"Not a single record in history..."
Seriously? Really? Where should we start....

1. Learn the law - You wanna tell us how many books have been written on Jewish law through history, and still up to this day? That was a rhetoric question of course.

Of course, and the Law of God given for free on the other hand the books mentioned by you are sold at high price from Jewish sources. What a great way to spread out the Law of God.

Oh...by the way, who is this if not a Jewish kid, who is way less half Your age,
getting examined on the entire body of Jewish law he already learned by heart(!),
to the point that he locates every book, chapter and verse location of a specific word,
here getting examined by the Sage of the generation:

For your information, to learn by heart the Laws of God is the most stupid way to affirm and confirm that you have UNDERSTOOD what you have read.

Read this part and learn from me: Books of laws are not supposed to be memorized. Books of laws are for consult.

I have passed tests, open book, with hundreds of codes which I was never supposed to learn by heart, but to learn how to apply them on the field.

You won't impress no one if you yourself know the entire Torah from beginning to end, backwards, in black and white, in colors, in 3D and more. Because WHO CARES?

Wisdom is not acquired by learning by heart but by UNDERSTANDING.

2. Observe the law - who is this if not a Jewish kid, less than half Your age,
observing just that:

And this is your problem.

Your messages reveal the "me, me me" attitude. MY child can memorize the Psalms, MY child can obey this law, ME and MY wife wash the chicken twenty times with soap and Clorox to clean the meat from blood, me, me, me,...

I told you that God gave the law to the Israelite to learn it, to obey it, and to TEACH IT to the world. God said he wanted HIS NAME to be known by the entire world.

3. Teach the nations knowledge of the G-d of Israel - then what are these vast populations doing all around the world if not witnessing to the overwhelming success of just that:

Judaism didn't do it.

The bible has been spread out by Israelites in gentile status and by goyim, not by members of Judaism.

Don't come here to steal the credit of others.

God is not listen to Jews

I think you have a basic misunderstanding of who is the Sovereign and subordinate.

I think you never understood why Israel received the Laws.

, because repentance is the first step and that is the common failure of all religious denominations -including the religion denomination called Judaism- which are not repenting first before asking God for mercy.

Well, first of all Judaism is not a religion.

Neither do You understand what is prayer, mercy, or repentance
and their correct order, relation and significance.
Not even slightly - You have it totally wrong.

Namely, prayer is a distant memory of Prophecy, and later imitation of sacrifice.

Sure. When you pray you are imitating the act of sacrificing precious moments in your life, like having a drink with friends or watching the game.

I will teach you something new: prying is imitating YHWH.

Now, forget the old rabbis and their extincted wisdom and you better listen to me: praying is imitating YHWH.

From here, your duty will be to search why and how and for what.

The whole rest you have replied is like the Theory of Relativity: pure garbage to the square.

Remember: Praying is imitating YHWH.

 

[rylah]

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The “Shulchan Aruch” is a halachic rulebook which contains all the daily routines, and also the practices for holidays and the life cycle. What is permitted and what is forbidden? This book will be a collection of halacha specifically for Noahides.

The “Shulchan Aruch” will be written by the Director of Brit Olam – Noahide World Center – Rav Oury Cherki. a result of many years of mutual efforts with many Noahides. It is being written with the advice and guidance of a forum of rabbis who are experts in the subject of Bnei Noach and the universal message of Judaism.

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The Brit Olam organization is in contact with thousands of Bnei Noach who seek spiritual and halachic guidance.

www.jewishpress.com

You provided an interesting link. What I liked the most is mentioning of the commandment not to murder in regard with prohibition to embarrass someone in public.

Of course, embarrassment of a fellow is considered murder.

And it's multifaceted, aside from what seems today as apparent moral digression,
as much as with murder today, there's a physiological explanation to why embarrassment is considered murder as well, but it doesn't end there as well.

There's a method to Jewish law, and the Rabbinic argumentation is infinitely complex and meticulous , way beyond what can possibly expanded in such a forum.

Only to start grasping the initial thread of a single debate on a single subject on one page of the Gmara, which can be centered at a single phrase or even word of the law, on its initial literal level- can take at best several months (and I'm being large here), even that is virtually impossible without prior grasp of some minimal basis.

But that's if I'm being large here, in reality, if after 3-4 months You grasp 20% that's a significant intellectual achievement. And a person will know this on his own, once that's starts rolling, the feeling of growing up to a rigorous intellectual challenge, as it's commonly expressed - 'it starts tasting like honey'.

Anyway, as already said this is not the platform capable enough of containing such a detailed discourse in the correct way, and I'm certainly not the one fit to take the position.

But to go back to what You've previously pointed out, I'll conclude with another simple example- there're many kinds of theft, as with murder explained above, some are not as obvious initially, namely - there's whats called 'theft of mind' as well, which I think fits more for the example You've previously given.

Hope I didn't confuse it, or made it overly complicated.
We can always take back, and expand as we proceed with the conversation.

Thanks for your input. Frankly, my knowledge is too low for meaningful conversations, to say nothing about discussions. I tried several times to read the Bible (both OT and NT), but have never managed to get it through completely.

Though, during this period significant shift in my mind happened. I no longer consider Judaism as primitive and purely tribal religion compared with Christianity. The contrary is true, it seems.

I am not a religious person. And I think that never will be. There are some aspects of religious life I can't accept (they are common to all religions). Though, it should be interesting to read the book mentioned when it appears. And follow the rules it provides which get along with my feelings and mind.

I am fascinated. What led you to believe that Judaism is primitive
and tribal?

Primitive? No

Tribal? 100%. That’s understandable until they put the tribe above G-d.

What do you mean by 'tribal'?

By the way, it's G-d who prescribes, with exception of 3 conditions,
that the life of a single member of His tribe takes precedent over His entire Torah.

Cliquish.

it’s the conditions.

Too much contempt clouds your ability to form thoughts
that go beyond shallow infantile projection.

But I'll answer anyway - the 3 exceptional conditions are:

1. Sexual immorality
2. Idol worship
3. Murder

Not specifically in that order.
G-d gave Torah to Israel, to live in it, not otherwise.

Except for the above, value of life takes precedent over any Torah law.

I have no contempt but I agree that contempt is one of the things that can cloud objectivity just as unplaced loyalty to a tribal member can cloud objectivity which is what I was referring to in my prior post.

Man’s original sin was worshipping created things instead of the creator. It’s a little more than gold calf’s.

That has nothing to do with a tribe.
Rather a natural human trait, or for that matter of living creatures.

I'm not going to discus the subject of sin,
with a person who thinks G-d of Israel was "born".

It's just not of potential depth, let alone intellectually interesting.

I'm sorry, but move on.

Being looked down upon by Jews for my religious beliefs isn’t anything new. But it is still surprising and ironic each time it happens.

I am fascinated. Can you describe some incident in your life which
involved "Being looked down upon by Jews for...{your} religious
beliefs......" ??? Did it happen in school, on the 'playground' -----
in the street?

No. I never had any contact with Jews until I joined USMB. So imagine my surprise.

Well, you do seem to be especially drawn
to every thread that has to do with Judaism.

What's the motivation?

To understand your beliefs about God. For instance, it has been argued on these boards that the G-d of Abraham is cruel. I have argued that’s not how the Jews of the OT saw it. Unfortunately I have yet to find a Jew who is willing to discuss anything on this subject.

Already explained that.

I don't have "beliefs" about G-d.
The commandment is not to believe, rather to know G-d.,

Maybe if you actually read the answers returned, people had interest in interaction.

Nice dodge. I didn’t think you could discuss it, but your pride wouldn’t allow you to say so.

I can answer it in probably 25 words or less. In my own words. Not a video link to a rabbi who never really answers it either.

You see, you just keep talking in an echo chamber,
ignoring anything people answer.

What do you need me for?
Sure not for conversation.

 

[ding]

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The “Shulchan Aruch” is a halachic rulebook which contains all the daily routines, and also the practices for holidays and the life cycle. What is permitted and what is forbidden? This book will be a collection of halacha specifically for Noahides.

The “Shulchan Aruch” will be written by the Director of Brit Olam – Noahide World Center – Rav Oury Cherki. a result of many years of mutual efforts with many Noahides. It is being written with the advice and guidance of a forum of rabbis who are experts in the subject of Bnei Noach and the universal message of Judaism.

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The Brit Olam organization is in contact with thousands of Bnei Noach who seek spiritual and halachic guidance.

www.jewishpress.com

You provided an interesting link. What I liked the most is mentioning of the commandment not to murder in regard with prohibition to embarrass someone in public.

Of course, embarrassment of a fellow is considered murder.

And it's multifaceted, aside from what seems today as apparent moral digression,
as much as with murder today, there's a physiological explanation to why embarrassment is considered murder as well, but it doesn't end there as well.

There's a method to Jewish law, and the Rabbinic argumentation is infinitely complex and meticulous , way beyond what can possibly expanded in such a forum.

Only to start grasping the initial thread of a single debate on a single subject on one page of the Gmara, which can be centered at a single phrase or even word of the law, on its initial literal level- can take at best several months (and I'm being large here), even that is virtually impossible without prior grasp of some minimal basis.

But that's if I'm being large here, in reality, if after 3-4 months You grasp 20% that's a significant intellectual achievement. And a person will know this on his own, once that's starts rolling, the feeling of growing up to a rigorous intellectual challenge, as it's commonly expressed - 'it starts tasting like honey'.

Anyway, as already said this is not the platform capable enough of containing such a detailed discourse in the correct way, and I'm certainly not the one fit to take the position.

But to go back to what You've previously pointed out, I'll conclude with another simple example- there're many kinds of theft, as with murder explained above, some are not as obvious initially, namely - there's whats called 'theft of mind' as well, which I think fits more for the example You've previously given.

Hope I didn't confuse it, or made it overly complicated.
We can always take back, and expand as we proceed with the conversation.

Thanks for your input. Frankly, my knowledge is too low for meaningful conversations, to say nothing about discussions. I tried several times to read the Bible (both OT and NT), but have never managed to get it through completely.

Though, during this period significant shift in my mind happened. I no longer consider Judaism as primitive and purely tribal religion compared with Christianity. The contrary is true, it seems.

I am not a religious person. And I think that never will be. There are some aspects of religious life I can't accept (they are common to all religions). Though, it should be interesting to read the book mentioned when it appears. And follow the rules it provides which get along with my feelings and mind.

I am fascinated. What led you to believe that Judaism is primitive
and tribal?

Primitive? No

Tribal? 100%. That’s understandable until they put the tribe above G-d.

What do you mean by 'tribal'?

By the way, it's G-d who prescribes, with exception of 3 conditions,
that the life of a single member of His tribe takes precedent over His entire Torah.

Cliquish.

it’s the conditions.

Too much contempt clouds your ability to form thoughts
that go beyond shallow infantile projection.

But I'll answer anyway - the 3 exceptional conditions are:

1. Sexual immorality
2. Idol worship
3. Murder

Not specifically in that order.
G-d gave Torah to Israel, to live in it, not otherwise.

Except for the above, value of life takes precedent over any Torah law.

I have no contempt but I agree that contempt is one of the things that can cloud objectivity just as unplaced loyalty to a tribal member can cloud objectivity which is what I was referring to in my prior post.

Man’s original sin was worshipping created things instead of the creator. It’s a little more than gold calf’s.

That has nothing to do with a tribe.
Rather a natural human trait, or for that matter of living creatures.

I'm not going to discus the subject of sin,
with a person who thinks G-d of Israel was "born".

It's just not of potential depth, let alone intellectually interesting.

I'm sorry, but move on.

Being looked down upon by Jews for my religious beliefs isn’t anything new. But it is still surprising and ironic each time it happens.

I am fascinated. Can you describe some incident in your life which
involved "Being looked down upon by Jews for...{your} religious
beliefs......" ??? Did it happen in school, on the 'playground' -----
in the street?

No. I never had any contact with Jews until I joined USMB. So imagine my surprise.

Well, you do seem to be especially drawn
to every thread that has to do with Judaism.

What's the motivation?

To understand your beliefs about God. For instance, it has been argued on these boards that the G-d of Abraham is cruel. I have argued that’s not how the Jews of the OT saw it. Unfortunately I have yet to find a Jew who is willing to discuss anything on this subject.

Already explained that.

I don't have "beliefs" about G-d.
The commandment is not to believe, rather to know G-d.,

Maybe if you actually read the answers returned, people had interest in interaction.

Nice dodge. I didn’t think you could discuss it, but your pride wouldn’t allow you to say so.

I can answer it in probably 25 words or less. In my own words. Not a video link to a rabbi who never really answers it either.

You see, you just keep talking in an echo chamber,
ignoring anything people answer.

What do you need me for?
Sure not for conversation.

I never saw your answer. I only saw your claim that you answered. You don’t strike me as trustworthy so pardon my skepticism.

 

[irosie91]

you make VERY important points----in my extensive experience with
jew haters (grew up in a WASP town and worked with lots of muzzies
from south east asia)--------they are DRAWN to jews like flies to honey.
They talk about jews even in church "sermons" and in mosques

Since you are apparently an expert on Jew haters, in your expert opinion am I Jew hater?

you, like all people, are, largely, the child of your society. Read
"Childhood and Society" Eric Erikson

 

[irosie91]

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The “Shulchan Aruch” is a halachic rulebook which contains all the daily routines, and also the practices for holidays and the life cycle. What is permitted and what is forbidden? This book will be a collection of halacha specifically for Noahides.

The “Shulchan Aruch” will be written by the Director of Brit Olam – Noahide World Center – Rav Oury Cherki. a result of many years of mutual efforts with many Noahides. It is being written with the advice and guidance of a forum of rabbis who are experts in the subject of Bnei Noach and the universal message of Judaism.

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The Brit Olam organization is in contact with thousands of Bnei Noach who seek spiritual and halachic guidance.

www.jewishpress.com

You provided an interesting link. What I liked the most is mentioning of the commandment not to murder in regard with prohibition to embarrass someone in public.

Of course, embarrassment of a fellow is considered murder.

And it's multifaceted, aside from what seems today as apparent moral digression,
as much as with murder today, there's a physiological explanation to why embarrassment is considered murder as well, but it doesn't end there as well.

There's a method to Jewish law, and the Rabbinic argumentation is infinitely complex and meticulous , way beyond what can possibly expanded in such a forum.

Only to start grasping the initial thread of a single debate on a single subject on one page of the Gmara, which can be centered at a single phrase or even word of the law, on its initial literal level- can take at best several months (and I'm being large here), even that is virtually impossible without prior grasp of some minimal basis.

But that's if I'm being large here, in reality, if after 3-4 months You grasp 20% that's a significant intellectual achievement. And a person will know this on his own, once that's starts rolling, the feeling of growing up to a rigorous intellectual challenge, as it's commonly expressed - 'it starts tasting like honey'.

Anyway, as already said this is not the platform capable enough of containing such a detailed discourse in the correct way, and I'm certainly not the one fit to take the position.

But to go back to what You've previously pointed out, I'll conclude with another simple example- there're many kinds of theft, as with murder explained above, some are not as obvious initially, namely - there's whats called 'theft of mind' as well, which I think fits more for the example You've previously given.

Hope I didn't confuse it, or made it overly complicated.
We can always take back, and expand as we proceed with the conversation.

Thanks for your input. Frankly, my knowledge is too low for meaningful conversations, to say nothing about discussions. I tried several times to read the Bible (both OT and NT), but have never managed to get it through completely.

Though, during this period significant shift in my mind happened. I no longer consider Judaism as primitive and purely tribal religion compared with Christianity. The contrary is true, it seems.

I am not a religious person. And I think that never will be. There are some aspects of religious life I can't accept (they are common to all religions). Though, it should be interesting to read the book mentioned when it appears. And follow the rules it provides which get along with my feelings and mind.

I am fascinated. What led you to believe that Judaism is primitive
and tribal?

Primitive? No

Tribal? 100%. That’s understandable until they put the tribe above G-d.

What do you mean by 'tribal'?

By the way, it's G-d who prescribes, with exception of 3 conditions,
that the life of a single member of His tribe takes precedent over His entire Torah.

Cliquish.

it’s the conditions.

Too much contempt clouds your ability to form thoughts
that go beyond shallow infantile projection.

But I'll answer anyway - the 3 exceptional conditions are:

1. Sexual immorality
2. Idol worship
3. Murder

Not specifically in that order.
G-d gave Torah to Israel, to live in it, not otherwise.

Except for the above, value of life takes precedent over any Torah law.

I have no contempt but I agree that contempt is one of the things that can cloud objectivity just as unplaced loyalty to a tribal member can cloud objectivity which is what I was referring to in my prior post.

Man’s original sin was worshipping created things instead of the creator. It’s a little more than gold calf’s.

That has nothing to do with a tribe.
Rather a natural human trait, or for that matter of living creatures.

I'm not going to discus the subject of sin,
with a person who thinks G-d of Israel was "born".

It's just not of potential depth, let alone intellectually interesting.

I'm sorry, but move on.

Being looked down upon by Jews for my religious beliefs isn’t anything new. But it is still surprising and ironic each time it happens.

I am fascinated. Can you describe some incident in your life which
involved "Being looked down upon by Jews for...{your} religious
beliefs......" ??? Did it happen in school, on the 'playground' -----
in the street?

No. I never had any contact with Jews until I joined USMB. So imagine my surprise.

Well, you do seem to be especially drawn
to every thread that has to do with Judaism.

What's the motivation?

To understand your beliefs about God. For instance, it has been argued on these boards that the G-d of Abraham is cruel. I have argued that’s not how the Jews of the OT saw it. Unfortunately I have yet to find a Jew who is willing to discuss anything on this subject.

Already explained that.

I don't have "beliefs" about G-d.
The commandment is not to believe, rather to know G-d.,

Maybe if you actually read the answers returned, people had interest in interaction.

Nice dodge. I didn’t think you could discuss it, but your pride wouldn’t allow you to say so.

I can answer it in probably 25 words or less. In my own words. Not a video link to a rabbi who never really answers it either.

You see, you just keep talking in an echo chamber,
ignoring anything people answer.

What do you need me for?
Sure not for conversation.

dingbat------rylah offered you an important insight into the ethos
of Judaism ------the RELIGION is not based on "FAITH" ------it is based on KNOWLEDGE. Christianity does emphasize FAITH as
THE IDEAL

 

[rylah]

Of course, and the Law of God given for free on the other hand the books mentioned by you are sold at high price from Jewish sources. What a great way to spread out the Law of God.

So you've just peddled back on you initial claim and now sprinkle more more none sense.

Missionaries tend to troll people with free books, and that's about their real worth.
You say the Law of G-d is given for free, because that's about Your grasp of it.

Instead of looking for worthless free stuff - Jews sweat and suffer for knowledge,
and that's why the worth of their knowledge is infinitely significant.

For your information, to learn by heart the Laws of God is the most stupid way to affirm and confirm that you have UNDERSTOOD what you have read.

Read this part and learn from me: Books of laws are not supposed to be memorized. Books of laws are for consult.

I have passed tests, open book, with hundreds of codes which I was never supposed to learn by heart, but to learn how to apply them on the field.

You won't impress no one if you yourself know the entire Torah from beginning to end, backwards, in black and white, in colors, in 3D and more. Because WHO CARES?

Wisdom is not acquired by learning by heart but by UNDERSTANDING.

That's exactly what I'm saying.
You neither know nor understand -just blowing hot air.

That kid already can tie knots around you, and you won't even know what happened.

And this is your problem.

Your messages reveal the "me, me me" attitude. MY child can memorize the Psalms, MY child can obey this law, ME and MY wife wash the chicken twenty times with soap and Clorox to clean the meat from blood, me, me, me,...

I told you that God gave the law to the Israelite to learn it, to obey it, and to TEACH IT to the world. God said he wanted HIS NAME to be known by the entire world.

Why do you constantly have to change the subject?
You've made it about me, now desperately complaining.

The law G-d gave to Israel is for Israel to be His nation not like any other.
The law G-d gave to the entire humanity is for mass consumption.

G-d chose to bear His Name on the name of His nation,
knowledge of the name of His nation fulfills the entire purpose.

The Name by which G-d is known to His nation, is reserved to them.

Judaism didn't do it.
The bible has been spread out by Israelites in gentile status and by goyim, not by members of Judaism.

Don't come here to steal the credit of others.

Of course Jews did - and as skillful teachers do - for that information to be effectively transferred, even tricked your egos into thinking you've reached that on your own.

That's called leverage by contractors.
Again how many knots are required, before you start realizing the order of things?
The nations also build car, planes, chairs and tables - while Israel takes the burden of Torah.

I think you never understood why Israel received the Laws.

Because the thought about Israel preceded Torah itself.
I don't think you can even understand the 1st word in it, let alone anything beyond.

Sure. When you pray you are imitating the act of sacrificing precious moments in your life, like having a drink with friends or watching the game.

I will teach you something new: prying is imitating YHWH.

Now, forget the old rabbis and their extincted wisdom and you better listen to me: praying is imitating YHWH.

From here, your duty will be to search why and how and for what.

The whole rest you have replied is like the Theory of Relativity: pure garbage to the square.

Remember: Praying is imitating YHWH.

This is both desecration of G-d's Name,
and logical inconsistency of lowest order.

Why should I waste my time on such worthless none sense?

 

[rylah]

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The “Shulchan Aruch” is a halachic rulebook which contains all the daily routines, and also the practices for holidays and the life cycle. What is permitted and what is forbidden? This book will be a collection of halacha specifically for Noahides.

The “Shulchan Aruch” will be written by the Director of Brit Olam – Noahide World Center – Rav Oury Cherki. a result of many years of mutual efforts with many Noahides. It is being written with the advice and guidance of a forum of rabbis who are experts in the subject of Bnei Noach and the universal message of Judaism.

Shulchan Aruch For Bnei Noach Set To Be Published

The Brit Olam organization is in contact with thousands of Bnei Noach who seek spiritual and halachic guidance.

www.jewishpress.com

You provided an interesting link. What I liked the most is mentioning of the commandment not to murder in regard with prohibition to embarrass someone in public.

Of course, embarrassment of a fellow is considered murder.

And it's multifaceted, aside from what seems today as apparent moral digression,
as much as with murder today, there's a physiological explanation to why embarrassment is considered murder as well, but it doesn't end there as well.

There's a method to Jewish law, and the Rabbinic argumentation is infinitely complex and meticulous , way beyond what can possibly expanded in such a forum.

Only to start grasping the initial thread of a single debate on a single subject on one page of the Gmara, which can be centered at a single phrase or even word of the law, on its initial literal level- can take at best several months (and I'm being large here), even that is virtually impossible without prior grasp of some minimal basis.

But that's if I'm being large here, in reality, if after 3-4 months You grasp 20% that's a significant intellectual achievement. And a person will know this on his own, once that's starts rolling, the feeling of growing up to a rigorous intellectual challenge, as it's commonly expressed - 'it starts tasting like honey'.

Anyway, as already said this is not the platform capable enough of containing such a detailed discourse in the correct way, and I'm certainly not the one fit to take the position.

But to go back to what You've previously pointed out, I'll conclude with another simple example- there're many kinds of theft, as with murder explained above, some are not as obvious initially, namely - there's whats called 'theft of mind' as well, which I think fits more for the example You've previously given.

Hope I didn't confuse it, or made it overly complicated.
We can always take back, and expand as we proceed with the conversation.

Thanks for your input. Frankly, my knowledge is too low for meaningful conversations, to say nothing about discussions. I tried several times to read the Bible (both OT and NT), but have never managed to get it through completely.

Though, during this period significant shift in my mind happened. I no longer consider Judaism as primitive and purely tribal religion compared with Christianity. The contrary is true, it seems.

I am not a religious person. And I think that never will be. There are some aspects of religious life I can't accept (they are common to all religions). Though, it should be interesting to read the book mentioned when it appears. And follow the rules it provides which get along with my feelings and mind.

I am fascinated. What led you to believe that Judaism is primitive
and tribal?

Primitive? No

Tribal? 100%. That’s understandable until they put the tribe above G-d.

What do you mean by 'tribal'?

By the way, it's G-d who prescribes, with exception of 3 conditions,
that the life of a single member of His tribe takes precedent over His entire Torah.

Cliquish.

it’s the conditions.

Too much contempt clouds your ability to form thoughts
that go beyond shallow infantile projection.

But I'll answer anyway - the 3 exceptional conditions are:

1. Sexual immorality
2. Idol worship
3. Murder

Not specifically in that order.
G-d gave Torah to Israel, to live in it, not otherwise.

Except for the above, value of life takes precedent over any Torah law.

I have no contempt but I agree that contempt is one of the things that can cloud objectivity just as unplaced loyalty to a tribal member can cloud objectivity which is what I was referring to in my prior post.

Man’s original sin was worshipping created things instead of the creator. It’s a little more than gold calf’s.

That has nothing to do with a tribe.
Rather a natural human trait, or for that matter of living creatures.

I'm not going to discus the subject of sin,
with a person who thinks G-d of Israel was "born".

It's just not of potential depth, let alone intellectually interesting.

I'm sorry, but move on.

Being looked down upon by Jews for my religious beliefs isn’t anything new. But it is still surprising and ironic each time it happens.

I am fascinated. Can you describe some incident in your life which
involved "Being looked down upon by Jews for...{your} religious
beliefs......" ??? Did it happen in school, on the 'playground' -----
in the street?

No. I never had any contact with Jews until I joined USMB. So imagine my surprise.

Well, you do seem to be especially drawn
to every thread that has to do with Judaism.

What's the motivation?

To understand your beliefs about God. For instance, it has been argued on these boards that the G-d of Abraham is cruel. I have argued that’s not how the Jews of the OT saw it. Unfortunately I have yet to find a Jew who is willing to discuss anything on this subject.

Already explained that.

I don't have "beliefs" about G-d.
The commandment is not to believe, rather to know G-d.,

Maybe if you actually read the answers returned, people had interest in interaction.

Nice dodge. I didn’t think you could discuss it, but your pride wouldn’t allow you to say so.

I can answer it in probably 25 words or less. In my own words. Not a video link to a rabbi who never really answers it either.

You see, you just keep talking in an echo chamber,
ignoring anything people answer.

What do you need me for?
Sure not for conversation.

I never saw your answer. I only saw your claim that you answered. You don’t strike me as trustworthy so pardon my skepticism.

Did you really ask a question?
Nope, read your own post again,
therefore no answer to a non-existent question.

Ding, I've already told you -
such interaction is of neither potential depth, nor intellectually challenging.

Move on.

 

[ding]

you make VERY important points----in my extensive experience with
jew haters (grew up in a WASP town and worked with lots of muzzies
from south east asia)--------they are DRAWN to jews like flies to honey.
They talk about jews even in church "sermons" and in mosques

Since you are apparently an expert on Jew haters, in your expert opinion am I Jew hater?

you, like all people, are, largely, the child of your society. Read
"Childhood and Society" Eric Erikson

Im pretty sure I don’t fit into any molds, Rosie.

I like to challenge everything. It’s how I learn. I don’t solely rely on what others before me have said. Although I do like to start there because I do not scoff at accepting knowledge on authority, I scoff at blindly accepting knowledge on authority.

So people who do blindly accept knowledge on authority usually don’t fare well in conversations with me as I am no child of society. I am a child of truth.