Dr. Fauci Concedes the Coronavirus Mortality Rate May Be Much Closer to a Very Bad Flu

[IM2]

Like the computer models, initial estimates prove false.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, a key member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, co-authored an article published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine predicting the fatality rate for the coronavirus will turn out to be like that of a "severe seasonal influenza."

Dr. Fauci: Coronavirus death rate like very bad flu - WND

Straight from WingNut Daily.

Lol

The article was published by the New England Journal of Medicine.

You might try reading it. Get someone to help you.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

The interpretation you led with was from WND.

The NEJM did not say anything about fauci and his relationship with Democrats.

Stop trying to legitimize your garbage fake news sites.

No it didn't. The article says everything about the Democrats and their media-pumped numbers.

This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

The numbers for seasonal flu up to January 2020 have already been posted here. Those numbers even early on overwhelm the current Wuhan virus numbers.

You might want to note a couple of things.

First, that doesn't say that the death rate for COVID-19 will be the same as seasonal flu, but rather that it may be closer to the 0.1% of seasonal flu than the 10% or 36% of SARS or MERS. A pretty high death rate for such a communicable disease would still fit that criteria.

Second, they mention it might compare to the 1957 and 1968 flu pandemics. In 1957, according to the CDC, 1.1 million people died worldwide, 110,000 in the US. 1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC In 1968, it was 1 million worldwide and 100,000 in the US. 1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC While that's a lot better than the millions dead in the US some have warned is possible, 100,000 people dying is a lot of dead Americans.

As of March 28, the US had 119,748 cases and 1,991 deaths.

1968 was the Stone Age in terms of medical advancement. Unlikely you'll see that number of dead here.

It was?

It was.

So far how are we treating this COVID-19 to to back then?

Most of it is fumbling around due to outdated regulations.

Like what? It;s also not that regulations can't be lifted as they have been.

Trump has also been in office over 3 years and it's not like Trump wasn't warned in January while Trump was downplaying the virus. In fact Trump was warned in January of 2017 that this was a real issue. Also warned in 2019.

What did Trump do in 2017, 2018 and 2019 to prepare for a pandemic?

Happy Joint sez: "What did Trump do in 2017, 2018 and 2019 to prepare for a pandemic?"

Thank you for asking, although I'm surprised you didn't know that Trump prepared millions of Americans to weather hard times by ensuring they had good and decent-paying employment for over 3 years of being in office. And he raised the # of Americans in high-paying jobs and lowered the # of Americans who were out of work. Should workers be required to stay at home by cdc standards, they will receive compensation for the time it takes for the weather to warm up and the coronavirus days shrink to nothing.

Gosh, I'm glad you asked that question, because Trump has already answered it by fastidious caring to help people in America help themselves. What a wonderful thing that is!!!

So basically nothing that president Obama wasn't already taking care of.

Good to know.

Only thing Obama did was apologize for being American.(if he really was)

Here we go with another retard who still believes Obama wasn't American. He never apologized for being American. And he sure didn't suck the dicks of every dictator on earth like trump does.

 

[IM2]

Like the computer models, initial estimates prove false.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, a key member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, co-authored an article published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine predicting the fatality rate for the coronavirus will turn out to be like that of a "severe seasonal influenza."

Dr. Fauci: Coronavirus death rate like very bad flu - WND

Straight from WingNut Daily.

Lol

The article was published by the New England Journal of Medicine.

You might try reading it. Get someone to help you.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

The interpretation you led with was from WND.

The NEJM did not say anything about fauci and his relationship with Democrats.

Stop trying to legitimize your garbage fake news sites.

No it didn't. The article says everything about the Democrats and their media-pumped numbers.

This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

The numbers for seasonal flu up to January 2020 have already been posted here. Those numbers even early on overwhelm the current Wuhan virus numbers.

You might want to note a couple of things.

First, that doesn't say that the death rate for COVID-19 will be the same as seasonal flu, but rather that it may be closer to the 0.1% of seasonal flu than the 10% or 36% of SARS or MERS. A pretty high death rate for such a communicable disease would still fit that criteria.

Second, they mention it might compare to the 1957 and 1968 flu pandemics. In 1957, according to the CDC, 1.1 million people died worldwide, 110,000 in the US. 1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC In 1968, it was 1 million worldwide and 100,000 in the US. 1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC While that's a lot better than the millions dead in the US some have warned is possible, 100,000 people dying is a lot of dead Americans.

As of March 28, the US had 119,748 cases and 1,991 deaths.

1968 was the Stone Age in terms of medical advancement. Unlikely you'll see that number of dead here.

It was?

It was.

So far how are we treating this COVID-19 to to back then?

Most of it is fumbling around due to outdated regulations.

Like what? It;s also not that regulations can't be lifted as they have been.

Trump has also been in office over 3 years and it's not like Trump wasn't warned in January while Trump was downplaying the virus. In fact Trump was warned in January of 2017 that this was a real issue. Also warned in 2019.

What did Trump do in 2017, 2018 and 2019 to prepare for a pandemic?

Happy Joint sez: "What did Trump do in 2017, 2018 and 2019 to prepare for a pandemic?"

Thank you for asking, although I'm surprised you didn't know that Trump prepared millions of Americans to weather hard times by ensuring they had good and decent-paying employment for over 3 years of being in office. And he raised the # of Americans in high-paying jobs and lowered the # of Americans who were out of work. Should workers be required to stay at home by cdc standards, they will receive compensation for the time it takes for the weather to warm up and the coronavirus days shrink to nothing.

Gosh, I'm glad you asked that question, because Trump has already answered it by fastidious caring to help people in America help themselves. What a wonderful thing that is!!!

trump did none of that. He sat on his ass tweeting and watching fox and friends while watching what Obama/Biden created come to fruition.

 

[beautress]

Blob supporters are sad little people.

The blob said he fell in love with the NK dictator. They have zero problems with that.

Again...sad little people

Only one person here supports President Trump in a way that refers to him as a "blob." That's you, sweetie.

As for those who support him because he cares that American people are given jobs to do to earn the money they and their families stake their living on, the people of the United States of America are better off under President Trump than his predecessor. The people who know that best are those who have been blessed with the joy that their work is necessary and appreciated, giving workers a pride of sorts in the good their labor does for society as a whole. No longer do they feel they are trapped in a racial nightmare, they feel like they are real in the sense of the Velvet Rabbit. And they are real Americans, always have been and always will be.

Exhibit A ladies and gentlemen.

The blob doesn't give two shits about you. He cares even less about the nation.

How calloused can you be? Smarting because you and other Deep State operatives couldn't impeach Donald Trump who just rewarded Nancy Pelosi his alleged adversary with the richest, most expensive panacea to her every pet rock project. Did he get his wall built out of this deal to keep millions of deadbeat druggies out of this nation? Or does the deep state need deadbeat druggies in order to euthanize the white people in America into astute non-existence? Do tell.

 

[wamose]

The liberal media has already done its job of inciting panic in the US people. They did the same thing during the Kavanaugh nomination, the fake Russian election interference, and the fake impeachment travesty just to name a very few. The liberal media have become lying hos, or maybe they always were. This makes them more dangerous to this country than the virus or any of their other fabricated disasters. What good is freedom of the press when they always lie and slant their stories. Our media is more like Communist China than what our constitution envisioned.

 

[Lesh]

This is a stupid thread making stupid claims.

Dems are not "turning on " Fauci and nowhere is he saying anything OTHER than that this is a VERY serious disease.

 

[SweetSue92]

This is a stupid thread making stupid claims.

Dems are not "turning on " Fauci and nowhere is he saying anything OTHER than that this is a VERY serious disease.

Why do Leftists so badly need this to be a very serious disease?

Why are they SO INTO this pandemic? I'm sure you all notice it right? Every time someone dares to breathe, "Hey maybe it's not so bad", they have to make sure you know, oh no no no it's terrible, you're gonna die, they're gonna die death death death

They love this, and we all know it

 

[Lesh]

Why do Leftists so badly need this to be a very serious disease?

Fuck yourself "sweetheart". No one "needs" this...it's a reality

Every time someone dares to breathe, "Hey maybe it's not so bad", they have to make sure you know, oh no no no it's terrible

People like you will cause folks to do stupid shit...which will not only prolong this disaster but lead to deaths.

People like you need to be shunned

 

[SweetSue92]

Why do Leftists so badly need this to be a very serious disease?

Fuck yourself "sweetheart". No one "needs" this...it's a reality

Every time someone dares to breathe, "Hey maybe it's not so bad", they have to make sure you know, oh no no no it's terrible

People like you will cause folks to do stupid shit...which will not only prolong this disaster but lead to deaths.

People like you need to be shunned

Why do you need this so bad Lesh? Why do you love it so much?

 

[Lesh]

Why do you need this so bad Lesh? Why do you love it so much?

How fukkn stupid are you?

Nobody "needs this".

Why do YOU feel the need to get people do do stupid shit that endanger us all?

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Like the computer models, initial estimates prove false.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, a key member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, co-authored an article published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine predicting the fatality rate for the coronavirus will turn out to be like that of a "severe seasonal influenza."

Dr. Fauci: Coronavirus death rate like very bad flu - WND

The more testing you do, the lower the mortality rate. We are currently testing over 100,000 a day.

 

[Lesh]

Great. Testing is knowledge and knowledge is power

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

This is a stupid thread making stupid claims.

Dems are not "turning on " Fauci and nowhere is he saying anything OTHER than that this is a VERY serious disease.

From the NEJM:

In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza

 

[Jarlaxle]

Like the computer models, initial estimates prove false.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, a key member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, co-authored an article published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine predicting the fatality rate for the coronavirus will turn out to be like that of a "severe seasonal influenza."

Dr. Fauci: Coronavirus death rate like very bad flu - WND

I said the same thing weeks ago

but many libs on this forum insisted it would be much higher

They need it to be higher. If it lets them defeat Trump, they are absolutely fine with a high body count.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Well well...
The case fatality rate is far, far lower than we’ve been lead to believe. Are we willing to destroy America over a bad case of the flu?

____________

On Thursday Dr. Fauci co-authored a report on the coronavirus in the New England Journal of Medicine.

The report, entitled “Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted”, was co-authored by Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., H. Clifford Lane, M.D., and Robert R. Redfield, M.D.

Here’s a direct quote from that report:

“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2“

Dr. Fauci Concedes the Coronavirus Mortality Rate May Be Much Closer to a Very Bad Flu - Ice Age Now

The case fatality rate is far, far lower than we’ve been lead to believe. ____________ On Thursday Dr. Fauci co-authored a report on the coronavirus in the New England Journal of Medicine. The report, entitled “Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted”, was co-authored by Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., H...

www.iceagenow.info

The last time there was a "very bad flu" was 1918.

The article says a severe flu has approx 0.1% death rate.

Fatality rates for Covid19 vary from country to country, and the data isn't certain yet but it seems to be between 0.31 and 1.94.

Spanish flu was 2.5.

...ten years before the discovery of antibiotics.

 

[Lesh]

You fucking assholes don't get it.

This isn't political

Trump is just an empty suit here.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Well well...
The case fatality rate is far, far lower than we’ve been lead to believe. Are we willing to destroy America over a bad case of the flu?

What case fatality rates have you been led to believe exist? The ones the article Fauci co-authored gives?

On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. ​

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387​

Common sense and math. Read this again -

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2“

They didn't just figure out that there are millions of people with coronavirus that are asymptomatic.....

Or already had it, never were tested, and have recovered from what they chalked up as a bad chest cold or bronchitis.

 

[Mac-7]

You fucking assholes don't get it.

This isn't political

Trump is just an empty suit here.

First he says its not political

then he attacks trump

 

[Lesh]

This is Trump's defining moment and he's simply not up to the task. He's being ignored rather than relied on.

Had he come out with anything LIKE the competence and concern of Cuomo...he'd be re-elected in a heart beat but...yea well...he is who he is

 

[Jarlaxle]

Of the deaths. Anyway to tell if virus is sole cause of death or it and stroke.and heart attack and..and

The deaths from COVID-19 are, almost exclusively, people with other health problems. (Heart, respiratory, or immune system problems, mostly.)

 

[Lesh]

You fucking assholes don't get it.

This isn't political

Trump is just an empty suit here.

First he says its not political

then he attacks trump

I'm responding to the assholes claiming I only care about politics...who only claim about how this effects Trump.

You morons brought up the politics. You morons claim that when I talk about doing the right things here that I'm doing so to damage Trump. That;s insane