Accusing Israel of Genocide is an Antisemitic Trope

[AyeCantSeeYou]

As Noam Chomsky has explained, he used to be a Zionist back in the late 30s but he no longer is. Not because he's changed but because Zionism has changed.

Zionism is best defined by what it represents today, what has Zionism led to since the Balfour Declaration, Israel is a Zionist state, the result of militant Zionism that began under the British mandate.

This embraces a fierce nationalism, a racial supremacy, a devotion to "blood and soil" and a state determination to seize territory.

So for me Zionism is the ideology manifest by the state, and a Zionist is a person who supports and defends that ideology.

I mostly say "militant Zionism" to distinguish it from the earlier Zionism which was primarily to create a place/state where Jews could be guaranteed freedom and safety from antisemitism.

That doesn't explain what your definition of "zionist" is. You danced around the question.

 

[Grau]

WHEN NAME CALLING IS ALL YOU'VE GOT: "EVERYBODY IS AN ANTISEMITE"!

Jews have been accused of murdering gentiles and using their blood for Passover wine, poisoning water wells of Palestinians and harvesting their organs, and now…..in another example of this reprehensible antisemitic trope, being accused of “genocide” of Palestinians.

This outrageous lie is used to further hate against Jews, as is the similar antisemitic comparison of Israel to a Nazi Germany - particularly heinous given what antisemites did to Jews there.

The “genocide” accusation is a vicious lie. If the Jews really wanted to genocide Gazans, they would have all been dead by mid-October 2023. That 99.5% remain alive, DESPITE the terrorists using them as body armor and hoping to drive the number higher, is a testament to Israel’s restraint.

Anyone who promotes the genocide lie is intentionally trying to drive hate for Jews, and will be called out for his antisemitism.

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If it weren't for gossip, slander and howling "anti Semite", you'd be speechless.

First, you've repeatedly demonstrated that you know nothing about the Middle East except that you hate the world's 1.7 Billion Muslims that you've never even met.

Secondly, since you are entirely unable to refute the fact that the Netanyahu government is committing genocide in Gaza, your only hope is to torment the unfortunate moderators who must endure your relentless irrational kvetching for censorship of facts you cannot refute.

It is not surprising but more and more ethical and rational Jews regard what Netanyahu's government is doing a genocide,

For example:

- “Jews Against Genocide statement and action”

Jews Against Genocide statement and action | IJAN

www.ijan.org

EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED


- “A Textbook Case of Genocide”

“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”

A Textbook Case of Genocide

Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

jewishcurrents.org

EXCERPT "But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. “ CONTINUED

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Your indispensable and transparent "anti Semite" card is so widely known as a dishonest evasion ploy that even other Jews condemn it's fatuous overuse .


"An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews;

nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.”

- Gilad Atzmon, Jewish musician and author, 2011

Gilad Atzmon Quote: “An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews; nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.”

“An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews; nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.” — Quote by Gilad Atzmon

quotefancy.com

Finally, former Israeli Education Minister regards your favorite slur as a "Trick":

- “Don’t be caught out by ‘the trick’”

Don’t be caught out by ‘the trick'

In August 2002 former Israeli Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni was interviewed on the radio and television program Democracy Now .

www.scoop.co.nz

EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....

And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED

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Since I am among the innumerable people you have slandered as an "anti Semite, I've repeatedly asked you to show anywhere I have written anything hostile about the Jewish people.
Without exception, you been entirely unable to support your slander.

Yes, I have repeatedly condemned Netanyahu, Gallant, Dickter, Bev Gvir and similar murderous Zionist miscreants but so have many Jews and Israelis.
Briefly put, there's nothing that I have either written or said that condemns or criticized the world's Jews.

I dare you to show otherwise.

 

[Lisa558]

WHEN NAME CALLING IS ALL YOU'VE GOT: "EVERYBODY IS AN ANTISEMITE"!



If it weren't for gossip, slander and howling "anti Semite", you'd be speechless.

First, you've repeatedly demonstrated that you know nothing about the Middle East except that you hate the world's 1.7 Billion Muslims that you've never even met.

Secondly, since you are entirely unable to refute the fact that the Netanyahu government is committing genocide in Gaza, your only hope is to torment the unfortunate moderators who must endure your relentless irrational kvetching for censorship of facts you cannot refute.

It is not surprising but more and more ethical and rational Jews regard what Netanyahu's government is doing a genocide,

For example:

- “Jews Against Genocide statement and action”

Jews Against Genocide statement and action | IJAN

www.ijan.org

EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED


- “A Textbook Case of Genocide”

“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”

A Textbook Case of Genocide

Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

jewishcurrents.org

EXCERPT "But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. “ CONTINUED

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Your indispensable and transparent "anti Semite" card is so widely known as a dishonest evasion ploy that even other Jews condemn it's fatuous overuse .


"An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews;

nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.”

- Gilad Atzmon, Jewish musician and author, 2011

Gilad Atzmon Quote: “An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews; nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.”

“An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews; nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.” — Quote by Gilad Atzmon

quotefancy.com

Finally, former Israeli Education Minister regards your favorite slur as a "Trick":

- “Don’t be caught out by ‘the trick’”

Don’t be caught out by ‘the trick'

In August 2002 former Israeli Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni was interviewed on the radio and television program Democracy Now .

www.scoop.co.nz

EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....

And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED

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Since I am among the innumerable people you have slandered as an "anti Semite, I've repeatedly asked you to show anywhere I have written anything hostile about the Jewish people.
Without exception, you been entirely unable to support your slander.

Yes, I have repeatedly condemned Netanyahu, Gallant, Dickter, Bev Gvir and similar murderous Zionist miscreants but so have many Jews and Israelis.
Briefly put, there's nothing that I have either written or said that condemns or criticized the world's Jews.

I dare you to show otherwise.

So maybe 5% of Jews are misinformed and categorizing this as “genocide” - so that makes it OK? Liberal Jews are often confused. Some of these self-loathing idiots are marching around with the HAMAS supporters while they chant “Death to Jews!”

And your liberal sources - that cite the U.N. as “proof” - are meaningless. We already know how antisemitic the liberals have become, and how antisemitic the U.N. is.

Your fury at what you call “murderous Zionist miscreants” is driven by your antisemitism. The actual murderous miscreants are the Muslim terrorists, and that your focus is on the Jews is the double standard that is also a tell of antisemitism, according to the U.S. State Department.

 

[Lisa558]

That doesn't explain what your definition of "zionist" is. You danced around the question.

I will tell you what a Zionist is. A Zionist is anyone who supports the existence of Israel, which is 95% of Jews.

The antisemites use the word Zionist as a synonym for Jew, thinking it will let them get away with smearing Jews. When you use a word that describes 95% of a population, you are describing that population.

 

[Lisa558]

Israel does not meet the definition of “genocide.” It is a blood libel being used by antisemites.

Israel Is Not Committing "Genocide" in Gaza

In the months since Hamas’s October 7 attacks, there has been a full-force campaign to frame Israel’s counteroffensive in Gaza as a genocide. And it’s not just an accusation pushed by the extreme Left. This is a campaign endorsed by foreign governments, international organizations, the media...

www.aei.org

 

[JoeB131]

Your fury at what you call “murderous Zionist miscreants” is driven by your antisemitism. The actual murderous miscreants are the Muslim terrorists, and that your focus is on the Jews is the double standard that is also a tell of antisemitism, according to the U.S. State Department.

The Muslim "Terrorists" are defending their own land that some European Colonists invaded.

I will tell you what a Zionist is. A Zionist is anyone who supports the existence of Israel, which is 95% of Jews.

The antisemites use the word Zionist as a synonym for Jew, thinking it will let them get away with smearing Jews. When you use a word that describes 95% of a population, you are describing that population.

I will agree, it is hard to separate an evil religion from an evil political philosophy when they are so intertwined. The idea that "God promised us this land" and screw anyone else who happens to be living there is kind of evil. It was probably evil 3000 years ago, when the Israealist/Judeans were killing Amalekites, Philistines, Moabites, Ammonites, etc.

Israel does not meet the definition of “genocide.” It is a blood libel being used by antisemites.

According to the UN, it does.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

This doesn't make sense.

If No'am Chomsky didn't change,
and you use his definition of early Zionism,
while also framing it as militant, then does it make Chomsky an "early militant Zionist"?

Sadly you turn another interesting discussion into vulgar demagoguery void of meaning.

Zionist aspirations in the late 19th century were very different to what they are today. Militant Zionism is a term I use to refer to Zionism after it began committing acts of terror and began persecuting non-Zionist Jews and creating "youth organizations" modelled after the Nazi's Hitler youth.

All of these are documented historic events, if you want to see the original intelligence reports from the time, that describe and report on this, just ask.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

That doesn't explain what your definition of "zionist" is. You danced around the question.

If that's your interpretation of my post then so be it.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I see that we have reached the point of the day or the conversation where you have nothing but personal attacks.

Don't mistake my ability to calmly and rationally respond to specific topics as asked with an inability to be upset and emotional about the suffering in Gaza that Hamas has caused.

As I said superlatives like "astonishingly well executed" to describe a mass terrorist acts, dehumanizes what is a human tragedy unfolding in Palestine since 1948 and amounts to glorification of mass slaughter.

The Nazi extermination campaign against Jews in Auschwitz has likely been described by some as "astonishingly well executed" by dwelling purely on the mechanics of the operation, costs, efficiencies, kill rates etc.

The Zionists are masters of dehumanization, reduce the victims to the level of statistics, and collateral damage.

Here's Hajo Meyer again who understood how the Zionists dehumanize very much as the Nazis did:

Here's a report today from a former CIA chief describing the Israel pager attack honestly:

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Israel does not meet the definition of “genocide.” It is a blood libel being used by antisemites.

Israel Is Not Committing "Genocide" in Gaza

In the months since Hamas’s October 7 attacks, there has been a full-force campaign to frame Israel’s counteroffensive in Gaza as a genocide. And it’s not just an accusation pushed by the extreme Left. This is a campaign endorsed by foreign governments, international organizations, the media...

www.aei.org

There are no doubt documents one could find that make a similar claim about the "genocide" committed by the Nazis, after all only 35% of Jews were killed, so hardly a destruction of an entire race.

This is the hypocrisy that runs through modern Zionists, they understandably react with fury to Holocaust deniers yet deny a modern day Holocaust unfolding across Palestine as its US supplied military attacks and bombs with impunity and lies about it as it does so.

Those who speak of Gaza in the flippant way that you do are - in effect - holocaust deniers, engaged in the very same mental and linguistic gymnastics, the Israeli state even refuses to acknowledge the Nakba, like the Nazis they dismiss this as exaggeration or even as a form of antisemitism.

This is academic anyway, since the ICC has taken the view that they have sufficient evidence to demonstrate genocide and as has been done before, those responsible will be held accountable.

 

[Lisa558]

There are no doubt documents one could find that make a similar claim about the "genocide" committed by the Nazis, after all only 35% of Jews were killed, so hardly a destruction of an entire race.

This is the hypocrisy that runs through modern Zionists, they understandably react with fury to Holocaust deniers yet deny a modern day Holocaust unfolding across Palestine as its US supplied military attacks and bombs with impunity and lies about it as it does so.

Those who speak of Gaza in the flippant way that you do are - in effect - holocaust deniers, engaged in the very same mental and linguistic gymnastics, the Israeli state even refuses to acknowledge the Nakba, like the Nazis they dismiss this as exaggeration or even as a form of antisemitism.

This is academic anyway, since the ICC has taken the view that they have sufficient evidence to demonstrate genocide and as has been done before, those responsible will be held accountable.

There is no genocide, and to compare what Israel is doing to the Holocaust is antisemitic, in accordance with the definition as accepted by the U.S. and 150 other developed countries.

You’re an antisemite, and I will continue to call it out.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

So maybe 5% of Jews are misinformed and categorizing this as “genocide” - so that makes it OK? Liberal Jews are often confused. Some of these self-loathing idiots are marching around with the HAMAS supporters while they chant “Death to Jews!”

The ICC a court with jurisdiction, has described this as crimes against humanity, here's an excerpt detailing the specific crimes that the court believes the evidence supports:

And your liberal sources - that cite the U.N. as “proof” - are meaningless. We already know how antisemitic the liberals have become, and how antisemitic the U.N. is.

Your fury at what you call “murderous Zionist miscreants” is driven by your antisemitism. The actual murderous miscreants are the Muslim terrorists, and that your focus is on the Jews is the double standard that is also a tell of antisemitism, according to the U.S. State Department.

 

[Lisa558]

The ICC a court with jurisdiction, has described this as crimes against humanity, here's an excerpt detailing the specific crimes that the court believes the evidence supports:

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Naturally, you take as your source an anti-Israel body that the U.S. does not even recognize. The ICC can pound sound.

It is a deeply antisemitic organization, with its kangaroo court against Israel. No wonder antisemites use it as “proof.”

Defund ICC’s ‘kangaroo court’ as it wages anti-Israel lawfare

The Netherlands-based International Criminal Court on Monday exposed itself as a deeply antisemitic and politicized institution that ignores facts and jurisdiction to conduct lawfare against democracies...

www.fdd.org

The Blogs: ICC’s (Not so) shocking bias against Israel

From the blog of Ilan Eichner W at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

There is no genocide, and to compare what Israel is doing to the Holocaust is antisemitic, in accordance with the definition as accepted by the U.S. and 150 other developed countries.

We have an actor defining crimes in such a way that that actor can never be accused of those crimes even if committing them. This is like asking murderers to define "murder".

You’re an antisemite, and I will continue to call it out.

Nothing new here.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Naturally, you take as your source an anti-Israel body that the U.S. does not even recognize. The ICC can pound sound.

What has the U.S. recognition or want thereof got do with any of this?

It is a deeply antisemitic organization, with its kangaroo court against Israel. No wonder antisemites use it as “proof.”

Defund ICC’s ‘kangaroo court’ as it wages anti-Israel lawfare

The Netherlands-based International Criminal Court on Monday exposed itself as a deeply antisemitic and politicized institution that ignores facts and jurisdiction to conduct lawfare against democracies...

www.fdd.org

The Blogs: ICC’s (Not so) shocking bias against Israel

From the blog of Ilan Eichner W at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

Right so you agree the Nuremberg court was an anti-German body that the Germans didn't recognize, do you think anybody at the time treated that claim seriously?

 

[toomuchtime_]

As I said superlatives like "astonishingly well executed" to describe a mass terrorist acts, dehumanizes what is a human tragedy unfolding in Palestine since 1948 and amounts to glorification of mass slaughter.

The Nazi extermination campaign against Jews in Auschwitz has likely been described by some as "astonishingly well executed" by dwelling purely on the mechanics of the operation, costs, efficiencies, kill rates etc.

The Zionists are masters of dehumanization, reduce the victims to the level of statistics, and collateral damage.

Here's Hajo Meyer again who understood how the Zionists dehumanize very much as the Nazis did:

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Here's a report today from a former CIA chief describing the Israel pager attack honestly:

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It was a brilliant operation both in concept and execution that targeted only Hezbollah members and because of the extremely small blast radius of the "bombs" would have very little collateral damage, but it made Hezbollah afraid to use electronic communications so that its top military leaders were forced to meet in person and Israel was able to wipe them out with one airstrike.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

One of the advisors to the ICC that advised in the pursuit of arrest warrants is a Jew by the way, I've raised this before and I think he was attacked by the Zionists here.

Danny specialises at the interface between crime, civil liability, human rights and public law, with additional focus on public international law. He advises private individuals, NGOs and companies, as well as UK and foreign state organisations seeking to comply with human rights and humanitarian law obligations.

His investigatory and advice work in relation to the public sector includes the operation of the rule of law in a number of foreign states, including in the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

His work with corporate clients has especially come to focus on their identifying and maintaining policy initiatives to promote dignity, wellbeing, safety and security.

Danny has co-authored publications on inquest law, human rights law and crime, including the human rights chapter in Archbold and INQUESTS – A Practitioners Guide (LAG 2014). Danny sits as a Temporary High Court Judge in Northern Ireland. He is an ADR Group Accredited Civil and Commercial Mediator.

I don't think Jews attacking him is very nice, do you? I have rather more confidence in his understanding of all this than the outraged, babbling Zionist apologists.

Here's a recent radio chat with Friedman, a very interesting, educated and likeable gentleman:



So yes, accusing Israel of genocide is justified whether the Zionist apologists like it or not.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Much of Israeli society is deeply racist and supports the government's treatment of non-Jews, by the time these kids start school it seems the indoctrination has already been performed on their minds, make no mistake this is learned behavior as is the "signing" of bombs, no egalitarianism here:

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As I said superlatives like "astonishingly well executed" to describe a mass terrorist acts, dehumanizes what is a human tragedy unfolding in Palestine since 1948 and amounts to glorification of mass slaughter.

The Nazi extermination campaign against Jews in Auschwitz has likely been described by some as "astonishingly well executed" by dwelling purely on the mechanics of the operation, costs, efficiencies, kill rates etc.

The Zionists are masters of dehumanization, reduce the victims to the level of statistics, and collateral damage.

Here's Hajo Meyer again who understood how the Zionists dehumanize very much as the Nazis did:

View attachment 1016691

Here's a report today from a former CIA chief describing the Israel pager attack honestly:

View attachment 1016688

Terrorism against terrorists is the only good kind.

 

[Shusha]

As I said superlatives like "astonishingly well executed" to describe a mass terrorist acts, dehumanizes what is a human tragedy unfolding in Palestine since 1948 and amounts to glorification of mass slaughter.

You are twisting my words again, further proof that you can not address my arguments head-on, but can only address the monster you created in your own head.

My use of "astonishingly well executed" was specific to the evacuation of civilians from areas of battle under difficult conditions. It is a use of resources so clearly intended to separate civilians from Hamas that it is impossible to claim "genocide".