Need more ventilators? Send in the rednecks...

[Missourian]

...the diy'ers, the hobbyists, the small town machinists and metal workers and mechanics. You give us the plans, and we'll build them. They may not be pretty...but if the alternative is nothing...give us a crack at it.

Discuss...why is this a good idea?

Why is it the dumbest shit you've ever heard?

 

[JGalt]

 

[Missourian]

Engineers develop share open source designs for DIY ventilators

With ventilators in dangerously short supply during the coronavirus pandemic, a number of DIY groups have begun working on open source designs that could be made at home.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

...the diy'ers, the hobbyists, the small town machinists and metal workers and mechanics. You give us the plans, and we'll build them. They may not be pretty...but if the alternative is nothing...give us a crack at it.

Discuss...why is this a good idea?

Why is it the dumbest shit you've ever heard?

Because you'd have to organize them, decide on standards and regulations, and agree on basic designs and then assemble and test them under agreed conditions. Plus the fact that these people all come with a varying degree of skill sets from different states that would all have different regulations on the parameters of building these devices. When Ford spins up an assembly line to make ventilators, they're built a certain way, under certain conditions, tested under certain guidelines and regulated under certain laws before they can be rolled out to the hospitals.

This isn't the dumbest shit I've heard. It's just impractical.

 

[JGalt]

 

[Missourian]

...the diy'ers, the hobbyists, the small town machinists and metal workers and mechanics. You give us the plans, and we'll build them. They may not be pretty...but if the alternative is nothing...give us a crack at it.

Discuss...why is this a good idea?

Why is it the dumbest shit you've ever heard?

Because you'd have to organize them, decide on standards and regulations, and agree on basic designs and then assemble and test them under agreed conditions. Plus the fact that these people all come with a varying degree of skill sets from different states that would all have different regulations on the parameters of building these devices. When Ford spins up an assembly line to make ventilators, they're built a certain way, under certain conditions, tested under certain guidelines and regulated under certain laws before they can be rolled out to the hospitals.

This isn't the dumbest shit I've heard. It's just impractical.

I get that...and it is somewhat impractical on the macro-scale. But how about just locally...where you get a group together to build exclusively for the county or city or even individual hospital. If it breaks, you have folks nearby that can troubleshoot and repair it, and with 3D printers and local machinists, elecrtonic specialists, electricians, engineers, etc... much of the hardware could be produced locally. When the alternative is death by triage...some necessary risk seems mitigated by circumstance.

I

 

[Missourian]

AvE ... One of my favorite channels.

 

[progressive hunter]

...the diy'ers, the hobbyists, the small town machinists and metal workers and mechanics. You give us the plans, and we'll build them. They may not be pretty...but if the alternative is nothing...give us a crack at it.

Discuss...why is this a good idea?

Why is it the dumbest shit you've ever heard?

its not like they are taking these to hospitals to be used,,,

but they are proving it can be done with simple tools in a garage if need be,,,

 

[Missourian]

its not like they are taking these to hospitals to be used,,,

But couldn't we? If it was life and death?

 

[OldLady]

...the diy'ers, the hobbyists, the small town machinists and metal workers and mechanics. You give us the plans, and we'll build them. They may not be pretty...but if the alternative is nothing...give us a crack at it.

Discuss...why is this a good idea?

Why is it the dumbest shit you've ever heard?

its not like they are taking these to hospitals to be used,,,

but they are proving it can be done with simple tools in a garage if need be,,,

I read this morning, there are restrictions on what types of ventilators can be used on Covid patients. Who knew. The restrictions were just relaxed by someone and it freed up over 30 for one hospital here. They had them but couldn't use them. So read the specs, I guess.

 

[Mac-7]

...the diy'ers, the hobbyists, the small town machinists and metal workers and mechanics. You give us the plans, and we'll build them. They may not be pretty...but if the alternative is nothing...give us a crack at it.

Discuss...why is this a good idea?

Why is it the dumbest shit you've ever heard?

There are plenty of designs and instructions on the internet

this is just one

The Pandemic Ventilator

The Pandemic Ventilator: Assembly instructions for a DIY Ventilator prototype.This could be useful in an Avian Flu pandemic.Constructed with commonly available components.Many of us modify, hack, re-purpose, and DIY to save money, build something unique, create art, or show…

www.instructables.com

 

[progressive hunter]

its not like they are taking these to hospitals to be used,,,

But couldn't we? If it was life and death?

sure we could,,,and I wouldnt turn them down if I needed one,,,

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

...the diy'ers, the hobbyists, the small town machinists and metal workers and mechanics. You give us the plans, and we'll build them. They may not be pretty...but if the alternative is nothing...give us a crack at it.

Discuss...why is this a good idea?

Why is it the dumbest shit you've ever heard?

Because you'd have to organize them, decide on standards and regulations, and agree on basic designs and then assemble and test them under agreed conditions. Plus the fact that these people all come with a varying degree of skill sets from different states that would all have different regulations on the parameters of building these devices. When Ford spins up an assembly line to make ventilators, they're built a certain way, under certain conditions, tested under certain guidelines and regulated under certain laws before they can be rolled out to the hospitals.

This isn't the dumbest shit I've heard. It's just impractical.

I get that...and it is somewhat impractical on the macro-scale. But how about just locally...where you get a group together to build exclusively for the county or city or even individual hospital. If it breaks, you have folks nearby that can troubleshoot and repair it, and with 3D printers and local machinists, elecrtonic specialists, electricians, engineers, etc... much of the hardware could be produced locally. When the alternative is death by triage...some necessary risk seems mitigated by circumstance.

I

What you might be able to do is make a case to recruit these individuals to come and work in a factory or on an assembly line to speed up the design, production, and testing of these devices. The devices would be made and tested under specifications. However, you would have the benefit of getting people with experience to get started right away. Maybe little in the way of ramp up or training. I don't know what the capability of each state would be to implement this in their current manufacturing facilities. In NH, I know of only 5 or 6 places that could handle doing this. Other states, no idea.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Hell,I've made parts for artificial hearts. It aint rocket science.
Given prints and specs any decent shop could make them from scratch. No need for fancy injection molded cases where a simple fabricated aluminium housing would work just fine.
The only controls you'd need is an oxygen regulator a duration regulator and pressure regulator from what I can tell.
Pretty simple stuff really.

 

[Mac-7]

Hell,I've made parts for artificial hearts. It aint rocket science.
Given prints and specs any decent shop could make them from scratch. No need for fancy injection molded cases where a simple fabricated aluminium housing would work just fine.
The only controls you'd need is an oxygen regulator a duration regulator and pressure regulator from what I can tell.
Pretty simple stuff really.

I’m not sure oxygen is absolutely necessary

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Hell,I've made parts for artificial hearts. It aint rocket science.
Given prints and specs any decent shop could make them from scratch. No need for fancy injection molded cases where a simple fabricated aluminium housing would work just fine.
The only controls you'd need is an oxygen regulator a duration regulator and pressure regulator from what I can tell.
Pretty simple stuff really.

I’m not sure oxygen is absolutely necessary

I suppose you could draw air from the environment but increased oxygen content can make up for the lack of the lungs ability to absorb it.
I used to use these very same systems in my bait wells on the boat. You can keep bait alive for weeks and if they get a little lethargic you crank up the oxygen levels.

 

[Mac-7]

Hell,I've made parts for artificial hearts. It aint rocket science.
Given prints and specs any decent shop could make them from scratch. No need for fancy injection molded cases where a simple fabricated aluminium housing would work just fine.
The only controls you'd need is an oxygen regulator a duration regulator and pressure regulator from what I can tell.
Pretty simple stuff really.

I’m not sure oxygen is absolutely necessary

I suppose you could draw air from the environment but increased oxygen content can make up for the lack of the lungs ability to absorb it.
I used to use these very same systems in my bait wells on the boat. You can keep bait alive for weeks and if they get a little lethargic you crank up the oxygen levels.

I agree that oxygen is better

but also more difficult for diyers to make

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Hell,I've made parts for artificial hearts. It aint rocket science.
Given prints and specs any decent shop could make them from scratch. No need for fancy injection molded cases where a simple fabricated aluminium housing would work just fine.
The only controls you'd need is an oxygen regulator a duration regulator and pressure regulator from what I can tell.
Pretty simple stuff really.

I’m not sure oxygen is absolutely necessary

I suppose you could draw air from the environment but increased oxygen content can make up for the lack of the lungs ability to absorb it.
I used to use these very same systems in my bait wells on the boat. You can keep bait alive for weeks and if they get a little lethargic you crank up the oxygen levels.

I agree that oxygen is better

but also more difficult for diyers to make

Not really.
In place of an open intake you install a line to attach to an oxygen bottle and a regulator.

 

[Mac-7]

Hell,I've made parts for artificial hearts. It aint rocket science.
Given prints and specs any decent shop could make them from scratch. No need for fancy injection molded cases where a simple fabricated aluminium housing would work just fine.
The only controls you'd need is an oxygen regulator a duration regulator and pressure regulator from what I can tell.
Pretty simple stuff really.

I’m not sure oxygen is absolutely necessary

I suppose you could draw air from the environment but increased oxygen content can make up for the lack of the lungs ability to absorb it.
I used to use these very same systems in my bait wells on the boat. You can keep bait alive for weeks and if they get a little lethargic you crank up the oxygen levels.

I agree that oxygen is better

but also more difficult for diyers to make

Not really.
In place of an open intake you install a line to attach to an oxygen bottle and a regulator.

since its diy you are free to do it that way if you like

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Hell,I've made parts for artificial hearts. It aint rocket science.
Given prints and specs any decent shop could make them from scratch. No need for fancy injection molded cases where a simple fabricated aluminium housing would work just fine.
The only controls you'd need is an oxygen regulator a duration regulator and pressure regulator from what I can tell.
Pretty simple stuff really.

I’m not sure oxygen is absolutely necessary

I suppose you could draw air from the environment but increased oxygen content can make up for the lack of the lungs ability to absorb it.
I used to use these very same systems in my bait wells on the boat. You can keep bait alive for weeks and if they get a little lethargic you crank up the oxygen levels.

I agree that oxygen is better

but also more difficult for diyers to make

Not really.
In place of an open intake you install a line to attach to an oxygen bottle and a regulator.

since its diy you are free to do it that way if you like

I'm thinking it would be up to who was having them made and their specs.