Poll: What hurts Hamas more?

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Current question(s) - when dealing with an enemy, or let's say ideology,
that considers the death of its followers in war, and their own folk,
as reward, rather than loss, what to them is defeat?

The question doesn't refer only to Hamas in Gaza,
this is relevant to many countries which face
simillar threats if Hamas is not eradicated
in an exemplary manner as to leave
no place for doubt.

This is not out of lust for blood, but a rational question,
in the context of how Hamas treats "traitors", public execution at city squares,
in front of Gazans is an option, and also the benefit in letting Gazans do that themselves.

Not just Hamas but all Islamic groups in charge who are hellbent on genocidal eradication of any other people. (Or any other group for that matter.)

Using rational measure with such people don't work because most are conditioned and brainwashed into believing martyrdom is as noble as achieving their goal of genocidal murder in the 'name of Allah.'

And until they pledge honorably to remove such genocidal mandates from their ethos/law/mandate, Israel's only choice to defend themselves is to eradicate Hamas. (To the idiots that claim Israel is committing genocide of the Palestinians, I repeat that their target is Hamas, i.e. an enemy who has as its manifesto and intends to kill all Jews and eradicate Israel from the face of the Earth.)

A more humane way would be to every day do periodic drops of pig and/or dog feces on the Islamic murderers so they would be required to do continuous ritual cleansing before they can make war, but I'm not sure there is enough of that to make it practical.

 

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Not just Hamas but all Islamic groups in charge who are hellbent on genocidal eradication of any other people. (Or any other group for that matter.)

Using rational measure with such people don't work because most are conditioned and brainwashed into believing martyrdom is as noble as achieving their goal of genocidal murder in the 'name of Allah.'

And until they pledge honorably to remove such genocidal mandates from their ethos/law/mandate, Israel's only choice to defend themselves is to eradicate Hamas. (To the idiots that claim Israel is committing genocide of the Palestinians, I repeat that their target is Hamas, i.e. an enemy who has as its manifesto and intends to kill all Jews and eradicate Israel from the face of the Earth.)

A more humane way would be to every day do periodic drops of pig and/or dog feces on the Islamic murderers so they would be required to do continuous ritual cleansing before they can make war, but I'm not sure there is enough of that to make it practical.

Yes, it's now more apparent to free nations,
that Islam is a religious spin on Arab imperialism.

Which is contradiction to recent Islamist notion
that all Arab wars are someone else's fault.

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Yes, it's now more apparent to free nations,
that Islam is a religious spin on Arab imperialism.

Which is contradiction to recent Islamist notion
that all Arab wars are someone else's fault.

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A comprehensive reading/study of the Qu'ran absolutely teaches us that the goal of Islam is that it be the religion/law of the whole world. Peaceful Muslims utilize peaceful recruitment and enticement to accomplish that. Militant Islam sees ultimately the stamping out of all infidels is the way to accomplish that.

This is in contrast to the Christian mandate to go into all the world and preach the Gospel (so that all may be saved) but otherwise live peacefully with the non believers.

 

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A comprehensive reading/study of the Qu'ran absolutely teaches us that the goal of Islam is that it be the religion/law of the whole world. Peaceful Muslims utilize peaceful recruitment and enticement to accomplish that. Militant Islam sees ultimately the stamping out of all infidels is the way to accomplish that.

This is in contrast to the Christian mandate to go into all the world and preach the Gospel (so that all may be saved) but otherwise live peacefully with the non believers.

Your insights bring a sharp edge to this discussion, highlighting the stark realities we face with ideologies that sanctify violence. It's fascinating, isn't it, how discussions about Hamas inevitably reveal deeper layers about the broader challenges posed by militant Islamism? Your point about the contrast in tactics between peaceful recruitment and militant eradication is well-taken.

It's ironic, though, isn't it? The very zealotry that pushes for a world under one law is the same that blinds them to the effectiveness of their methods. Perhaps we can coin a term here: 'Martyrdom Paradox.' They strive for a victory that their actions keep out of reach.

Here’s a thought to keep the gears turning: If martyrdom is glorified, and their war is eternal, what real victory can ever be achieved? Isn't every battle just a prelude to the next, with no final peace in sight? How do you think such an ideology can be effectively countered, not just militarily but culturally and ideologically?

Islamic and Arab Imperialism and Irredentism is driving the conflict between the river and the sea

Richard Landes is a historian of millennialism living in Jerusalem; his most recent book, Can “The Whole World” be Wrong?: Lethal Journalism, Antisemitism, and Global Jihad. Introduction: Rethink...

fathomjournal.org

 

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Your insights bring a sharp edge to this discussion, highlighting the stark realities we face with ideologies that sanctify violence. It's fascinating, isn't it, how discussions about Hamas inevitably reveal deeper layers about the broader challenges posed by militant Islamism? Your point about the contrast in tactics between peaceful recruitment and militant eradication is well-taken.

It's ironic, though, isn't it? The very zealotry that pushes for a world under one law is the same that blinds them to the effectiveness of their methods. Perhaps we can coin a term here: 'Martyrdom Paradox.' They strive for a victory that their actions keep out of reach.

Here’s a thought to keep the gears turning: If martyrdom is glorified, and their war is eternal, what real victory can ever be achieved? Isn't every battle just a prelude to the next, with no final peace in sight? How do you think such an ideology can be effectively countered, not just militarily but culturally and ideologically?

Islamic and Arab Imperialism and Irredentism is driving the conflict between the river and the sea

Richard Landes is a historian of millennialism living in Jerusalem; his most recent book, Can “The Whole World” be Wrong?: Lethal Journalism, Antisemitism, and Global Jihad. Introduction: Rethink...

fathomjournal.org

Thank you for an intelligent, thoughtful and well written post. I can't improve on it. In answer to your question though, in my opinion fanaticism is never rational and all too often is not at all peaceful. And it justifies the worst kinds of thinking, deceit, and sometimes brutal militancy/violence to accomplish its goals.

We counter that by being a nation that makes militancy/violence that violates the civil, legal and unalienable rights of others punishable by law and enforce that law. So long as Islam exists under a representative republic with reasonable laws that are enforced, it is just another religion among many and its adherents are generally quite wonderful friends, neighbors, co-citizens. Those (or anybody else) who chooses to be otherwise should have the consequences of the law applied quickly, uniformly, conclusively.

 

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Thank you for an intelligent, thoughtful and well written post. I can't improve on it. In answer to your question though, in my opinion fanaticism is never rational and all too often is not at all peaceful. And it justifies the worst kinds of thinking, deceit, and sometimes brutal militancy/violence to accomplish its goals.

We counter that by being a nation that makes militancy/violence that violates the civil, legal and unalienable rights of others punishable by law and enforce that law. So long as Islam exists under a representative republic with reasonable laws that are enforced, it is just another religion among many and its adherents are generally quite wonderful friends, neighbors, co-citizens. Those (or anybody else) who chooses to be otherwise should have the consequences of the law applied quickly, uniformly, conclusively.

Can you clarify please, because I'm not sure how this statement, overlooking the challenges faced by Western democracies in dealing with radical Islamist ideologies that do not always conform to the principles of liberal democracy, is consistent with your previous posts:

So long as Islam exists under a representative republic with reasonable laws that are enforced, it is just another religion among many and its adherents are generally quite wonderful friends, neighbors, co-citizens. Those (or anybody else) who chooses to be otherwise should have the consequences of the law applied quickly, uniformly, conclusively.

Your perspective on peaceful coexistence is indeed hopeful, but it reminds me of a certain 'soft' approach some Islamic groups use to further their influence under the radar—often referred to in debates as Dawa. It's interesting how these efforts often emphasize peaceful integration while subtly advancing more ambitious goals. Have you come across these tactics in your experience, or do you believe they are largely overstated?

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Wouldn't you agree that this kind of rhetoric often serves as a mask for deeper, more troubling agendas—like the continued practice of slavery in parts of the Arab world, or the systematic suppression of dissenting voices? It’s crucial that we not only enforce laws but also expose and challenge these deceptive tactics for what they truly are.

 

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Can you clarify please, because I'm not sure how this statement, overlooking the challenges faced by Western democracies in dealing with radical Islamist ideologies that do not always conform to the principles of liberal democracy, is consistent with your previous posts:



Your perspective on peaceful coexistence is indeed hopeful, but it reminds me of a certain 'soft' approach some Islamic groups use to further their influence under the radar—often referred to in debates as Dawa. It's interesting how these efforts often emphasize peaceful integration while subtly advancing more ambitious goals. Have you come across these tactics in your experience, or do you believe they are largely overstated?

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Wouldn't you agree that this kind of rhetoric often serves as a mask for deeper, more troubling agendas—like the continued practice of slavery in parts of the Arab world, or the systematic suppression of dissenting voices? It’s crucial that we not only enforce laws but also expose and challenge these deceptive tactics for what they truly are.

My short answer is that whenever a people of a representative republic or other reasonable form of government try to accommodate or appease those who demand special laws or privileges or accommodations in the name of religion or anything else, we create problems and empower those who intend or hope to rule over us or who would demand whatever they want.

When the law applies to all equally and is enforced, there will be far fewer problems.

When Muslims expect no special accommodations or privileges, Islam is not a problem and its adherents will more often than not be good neighbors and citizens. And in my opinion those who choose to be good neighbors and citizens deserve all the respect and protections offered by our Constitution and laws as anybody else. That their religion teaches that it should rule the world does not affect what anybody else is required to believe.

I think that Hamas, Hezbollah, other extreme, radical, militant branches of the so-called "Muslim Brotherhood" or any other radical expressions of Islam do wrong, do evil is a different discussion.

 

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Iranian citizens report the following message pasted on ATMs in Iran:

"Dear customers,

It is not possible to withdraw money from this ATM.
This is because all of Iran's national budget and resources have been
allocated to wars and the corrupt religious leaders of the Islamic Republic regime.

We apologize profusely.'

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Iran arrests many military and intelligence officials over assassination of Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran

After Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Iran’s Tehran, the Irani govt has arrested over two dozen people over suspected links with the murder | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

 

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Al-Hdath report: A deserting Hamas commander gave information
leading to assassination of Muhammad Def

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Hamas flood: 'Who's National Interest?'


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'Islamic Jihad' and Hamas leaders fleeing​

The first to take part in this exodus was Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas’ political leader abroad, who left his home in the Al-Shati Refugee Camp for the extravagant hotels in Doha, the capital of Qatar.

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Haniyeh justified his departure due to his candidacy for the leadership of Hamas - but the election ended a few months ago. He pressured Egyptian authorities to allow his wife and children to leave the Strip through the Rafah crossing, and they are currently living with him in opulence in Qatar, said the report.

Another key figure is Khalil al-Hayya, who until very recently served as the deputy of Hamas' leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar. He left the enclave several months ago after receiving a promotion as the group’s "head of Relations for Arab and Muslim Countries."

Just like Haniyeh, Hayyah managed to get his family out of Gaza and move to Doha.

Others on the list include Salah al-Bardawil, a senior member of the group who obtained permission to leave Gaza with his family for one year; Hamas' spokesperson Sami Abu Zuhri and veteran diplomatic advisor and Haniyeh’s personal deputy Taher al-Nunu.

Doha is not the only destination, with Turkey becoming the new home of Hamas top figure Fathi Hamad.

In addition, two of the Islamic Jihad’s leaders in the Gaza Strip - Nafaz Azzam and Muhammad al-Hindi, also secretly left Gaza some time ago. Azzam is in Syria and probably also in Beirut, while al-Hindi has made Istanbul his new home.

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Israel HaYom - Abu Ali Express goes public on Friday
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"Revealing my name would endanger me where I live.

Each day I meet with Palestinian population,
but they have no idea that I'm - who I am.

If they know my identity, who stands before them, I'm in danger"

-Abu Ali Express exclusive interview to Israel HaYom

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'Who's National Interest?'


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The 'al-Ichsa flood'...

Power outage in Lebanon: The last operational power plant shuts down - report

South Lebanon Water Establishment said that shutting down power plants will negatively affect their ability to pump sufficient quantities of water into the area.

www.jpost.com

 

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On societies mobilized for death | Dr. Einat Wilf Capitol Hill briefing​

Discussing the radical, visionary thinking that was required to change German and Japanese societies to become pillars of a peaceful world - which was unimaginable during the 30's-40's of the last century.

Very important to hear!

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'Amit Segal: We are starting to pave the Philadelphia corridor

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Yahya Sinwar’s Drag Show: Is It Approved by Islam?

The Messenger of Allah (that’s the prophet Muhammad to you and me – DI) cursed men who wear women’s clothing and women who wear men’s clothing.

www.jewishpress.com

 

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