Zone1 Does anyone else here believe (as I do) that ALL who ever lived will live forever with God in his kingdom?

[K9Buck]

Ok, now you're blatantly misrepresenting my view, and even AFTER I stated that I didn't even share my view on hell, but it's certainly not what you assume it is.

You are being dishonest now. Leftist tactics.

My bad. I think i confused you with another. I'm sorry.

 

[buttercup]

Satan had his chance and blew it

And the same goes for godless libs here

I agree with the first sentence. But as for the godless libs, they're rejecting God now, but as long as they're still alive in this world, they still have a chance at redemption. God has saved even the people you would least expect to get saved, so with God, it's possible.

 

[Mac-7]

As the Bible says, the wicked go to the LOF. Where most Christians go wrong is their belief that they never get out and that God just let's them suffer FOREVER.

godless libs everywhere better hope you are right

But I dont think so

 

[Meriweather]

Your undeserved arrogance precedes you.

May want to think about the quote of what one sees in others is often a mirror of oneself.

At the very least, perhaps stop creating your version of Meriweather and try to know me.

 

[The Irish Ram]

A lot will, some won't. It is what it is. I doubt I'll dwell in The Lord's house. I'm OK with the 2nd tier down. It's better than right now.

I just popped into this thread, and before I finish reading it all, I want to address this. Duke, you may be ok with it, but I'm not. I expect to see you sitting at our Father's table.
Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? Do you accept Him as your savior? If the answer to that is, yes, then what sin of yours do you think Christ was unable to blot out with his blood?

 

[Mac-7]

I agree with the first sentence. But as for the godless libs, they're rejecting God now, but as long as they're still alive in this world, they still have a chance at redemption. God has saved even the people you would least expect to get saved, so with God, it's possible.

True

But if you go back to my previous post I am talking about libs who never repent

 

[K9Buck]

...as long as they're still alive in this world, they still have a chance at redemption.

What happens to those that don't believe in God when they die?

 

[buttercup]

True

But if you go back to my previous post I am talking about libs who never repent

Oh, ok. Then I agree with you, of course. I left for a while, then popped back into the thread so I probably missed some posts.

 

[K9Buck]

May want to think about the quote of what one sees in others is often a mirror of oneself.

At the very least, perhaps stop creating your version of Meriweather and try to know me.

Ok.

 

[K9Buck]

godless libs everywhere better hope you are right

It's not about me being right but about God's word being right.

 

[buttercup]

What happens to those that don't believe in God when they die?

They go to a place to await the final judgment (I don't believe in "soul sleep") and then after that, they go to their eternal destination, which is eternal separation from God, if their name is not in the Lamb's Book of Life.

I don't have to understand all the details or exactly how it works to trust that God will do what is right, because I have faith and trust in God.

 

[K9Buck]

They go to a place to await the final judgment (I don't believe in "soul sleep") and then after that, they go to their eternal destination, which is eternal separation from God, if their name is not in the Lamb's Book of Life.

I don't have to understand all the details or exactly how it works to trust that God will do what is right, because I have faith and trust in God.

Did you read my post wherein I cited scriptures about good and bad fruit?

 

[The Duke]

I just popped into this thread, and before I finish reading it all, I want to address this. Duke, you may be ok with it, but I'm not. I expect to see you sitting at our Father's table.
Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? Do you accept Him as your savior? If the answer to that is, yes, then what sin of yours do you think Christ was unable to blot out with his blood?

Well, ya never know..:

Know that I've never done anything super bad and I've done a lot of crazy good in my life, but ya just never know.
I've done some mediocre bad things, too. It just is what it is.
I'm accepting whatever Heavenly Father bestows upon me with gratitude, don't care!

 

[buttercup]

Did you read my post wherein I cited scriptures about good and bad fruit?

I glanced at it, but I wasn't sure why you brought up that scripture, and then I replied to another post.

But I'll reply to it now.

You said:

"God created Satan. Jesus said a good tree cannot produce bad fruit. Is God a good tree?​

​

Matthew 7:17-18​

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good. fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither. can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."​

^ The mistake you're making here is assuming that God created satan in the way satan is now (evil.) According to the bible, satan fell from grace, so in the beginning satan was created as an angel, with free will. And satan chose to rebel against God.

So you are misapplying that Matthew passage about good fruit. Of course God is a good tree, it's created beings who make the decision to go their own way, and end up choosing evil over good. I still don't know why you would even bring up that passage, are you implying that satan is good because God created satan?

 

[K9Buck]

According to the bible, satan fell from grace, so in the beginning satan was created as an angel, with free will.

Jesus said that Satan was a "murderer from the beginning", which would seemingly rule out that he was ever a holy angel.


John 8:44 ESV
"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning..."

 

[K9Buck]

I glanced at it, but I wasn't sure why you brought up that scripture, and then I replied to another post.

But I'll reply to it now.

You said:

"God created Satan. Jesus said a good tree cannot produce bad fruit. Is God a good tree?​

​

Matthew 7:17-18​

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good. fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither. can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."​

^ The mistake you're making here is assuming that God created satan in the way satan is now (evil.) According to the bible, satan fell from grace, so in the beginning satan was created as an angel, with free will. And satan chose to rebel against God.

So you are misapplying that Matthew passage about good fruit. Of course God is a good tree, it's created beings who make the decision to go their own way, and end up choosing evil over good. I still don't know why you would even bring up that passage, are you implying that satan is good because God created satan?

I'm saying that God created Satan to do EXACTLY what he is doing. So, no, Satan is not actually a "bad" fruit because, as Jesus said, God does not yield bad fruit.

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe that people are sent to "Hell" where they remain forever?

 

[buttercup]

Jesus said that Satan was a "murderer from the beginning", which would seemingly rule out that he was ever a holy angel.


John 8:44 ESV
"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning..."

I always interpreted that to mean from the start of being the devil / satan. But satan wasn't always satan. Again, satan was originally an angel, who fell.

 

[The Irish Ram]

To the reader, Meriweather is a member of the cult known as the Catholic Church. He is blind and lost and NOBODY should rely on his opinions on anything relating to God.

The faithful Christian thirsts for the word of God, but that's not you

Still not finished ready this thread, but I can't ignore this. ^

Buck, you may want to keep this in mind while you chastise 2 true believers:

Matthew 7:1-3 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

 

[buttercup]

I'm saying that God created Satan to do EXACTLY what he is doing. So, no, Satan is not actually a "bad" fruit because, as Jesus said, God does not yield bad fruit.

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe that people are sent to "Hell" where they remain forever?

Well then that is yet another view of yours that is not standard Christian teaching. You are completely ignoring free will. In fact, you're sounding like a Calvinist.

I already answered your "what happens after unbelievers die" question.

Look, again, believe what you want. But these are YOUR ideas, so again don't act as if they are commonly accepted Christian doctrines, because they are certainly not.

 

[MarathonMike]

Why does God allow multiple translations of his word? Why does God allow us to be deceived and misled?

Humans are all unique and perceive things and words in different ways.