Different ways to put out a fire

[Auld Phart]

or, do a little bit of research, and find out that planes and helicopters have been dropping water on fires for decades.

Are you sure? Our esteemed President seems to think he is really helping lifelong firefighters by informing them of this.

yep, I'm sure.

Been used for decades.

apparently, it was even considered by some of those 'lifelong' firefighters,

But, they chose against using it.

any more ignorant comments you'd like to make?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

or, do a little bit of research, and find out that planes and helicopters have been dropping water on fires for decades.

Are you sure? Our esteemed President seems to think he is really helping lifelong firefighters by informing them of this.

You know, I don't really think it was for the fire fighter's benefit that Trump made those comments. He figured that pointing to an easy solution would stir up his base, because they would be saying the same stupid stuff, but after Trump's tweet, they would try to say they are as smart as Trump.

That ain't saying much, by the way.

Of course, his idea was immediately ridiculed as moronic . That's usually when the trump supporters start claimimg he is smart and it was a good idea.

 

[Pilot1]

Aerial fire bombing is the most effective way to stop large fires. Somebody has extreme Trump Derangement Syndrome to the point of insanity.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

apparently, it was even considered by some of those 'lifelong' firefighters,

Yessir, we got us another trump-style expert, here. The idea waa immediately ridiculed by french officials,

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Aerial fire bombing is the most effective way to stop large fires.

Not on buildings that you don't want to collapse,professor.

We got us anither trump-style expert here, folks!

 

[Pilot1]

Aerial fire bombing is the most effective way to stop large fires.

Not on buildings that you don't want to collapse,professor.

We got us anither trump-style expert here, folks!

You can do it in a controlled manner that won't damage the structure but with better placement. Genius.

 

[fncceo]

One of the best things about the last election is that it's polarized apparently normal folks to a point where they will argue over how to put out a fire... a fire that isn't even burning in their country.

This is hilarious ... it's like watching my aunt and uncle get plastered over Pesach and get into a battle royale over raisins or no raisins in kugel.

Big fun.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Aerial fire bombing is the most effective way to stop large fires. Somebody has extreme Trump Derangement Syndrome to the point of insanity.

Stopping large WILDFIRES where there are few people under the drop. In cities, it's not suggested.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Aerial fire bombing is the most effective way to stop large fires.

Not on buildings that you don't want to collapse,professor.

We got us anither trump-style expert here, folks!

You can do it in a controlled manner that won't damage the structure but with better placement. Genius.

Typical drops from fixed wing aircraft are done from 400 to 800 feet, at around 140 kts airspeed. A single gallon of water weighs in at 8 lbs. Mass times speed equals force. The impact of an aircraft drop would do a lot of damage to surrounding buildings, and lots of those buildings are historic as well.

If you want to use a helo, are you sure the conditions over the cathedral would allow a VFR aircraft, as well as was the air above it cool enough for a helo to fly in? If you don't know whether or not the flight conditions would allow an air drop, you shouldn't suggest one as viable.

By the way, some of the most dangerous flying a pilot can do outside of combat is fire fighting. Not only is the smoke a problem, but there are unpredictable eddies and currents of wind being generated by all the heat.

 

[impuretrash]

Huffington Post: Trump hilariously opines that dousing it with water a good way to extinguish fires. Here's 10 reasons why that's so wrong and how it relates to white supremacy.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Huffington Post: Trump hilariously opines that dousing it with water a good way to extinguish fires. Here's 10 reasons why that's so wrong and how it relates to white supremacy.

Next time you have a grease or electrical fire, try putting it out with water .

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Unbeknownst to most of us, there are many ways to end a fire. One of the most obvious ways, that only the stupidest of idiots would think that they thought of first, is to fly helicopters over a fire that can pour water on it. Other methods include blowing on a fire. Can you think of any other techniques?

Throwing fat stupid liberals on top of it.....

 

[BlackFlag]

Unbeknownst to most of us, there are many ways to end a fire. One of the most obvious ways, that only the stupidest of idiots would think that they thought of first, is to fly helicopters over a fire that can pour water on it. Other methods include blowing on a fire. Can you think of any other techniques?

Throwing fat stupid liberals on top of it.....

Like 5 other unoriginal conservative robots beat you to it

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Unbeknownst to most of us, there are many ways to end a fire. One of the most obvious ways, that only the stupidest of idiots would think that they thought of first, is to fly helicopters over a fire that can pour water on it. Other methods include blowing on a fire. Can you think of any other techniques?

Throwing fat stupid liberals on top of it.....

Like 5 other unoriginal conservative robots beat you to it

Have they used you to smother a fire yet?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Unbeknownst to most of us, there are many ways to end a fire. One of the most obvious ways, that only the stupidest of idiots would think that they thought of first, is to fly helicopters over a fire that can pour water on it. Other methods include blowing on a fire. Can you think of any other techniques?

Dropping liberals on it.

Not sure that would work. You have to remove either: fuel, heat, or an oxidizing agent. Best here would have been removing heat. But liberals would provide an oxidizing agent because they provide hot air, so removing them would be helpful.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Depending on the fire will depend on what you use to put it out. Alpha fires can be put out with water, Bravo fires require a smothering agent, Charlie fires require a chemical powder or CO2, and Delta fires, well..............you push them over the side, or you let them burn out, because they make their own oxygen.

And, while a helo has been shown to put out a small apartment fire on a building, it was only 1/8th to 1/10th the size of the fire in Notre Dame, and they were able to put it out, but only after 2 drops, because the first one missed. I'd like to know how much the collateral damage was from the first drop that missed.

And, the apartment fire that was shown being put out by a helo in the city didn't produce nearly as much smoke as the fire at Notre Dame. Because of the amount of smoke, it would have been very difficult to get accurate drops.

And, did you know that the hotter the air is, the less lift that can be generated by the helo rotors? I'm guessing that the air over the church would have been too hot to safely fly a helo in there.

What effect does cold weather have on helicopter performance?

So in general, the colder it is, the higher the performance. In most helicopters, the difference in performance on a cold, dry winter day is very noticeable and much better than on a humid, hot summer day.


It's also worth understanding the properties of air. The colder the air, the lower the dewpoint so the less moisture it can contain. Moisture in the air also lowers peformance.

Spoken like someone who knows...thanks.

 

[Pogo]

One of the best things about the last election is that it's polarized apparently normal folks to a point where they will argue over how to put out a fire... a fire that isn't even burning in their country.

This is hilarious ... it's like watching my aunt and uncle get plastered over Pesach and get into a battle royale over raisins or no raisins in kugel.

Big fun.

Oh that's easy. Without even knowing what Kugel is. NO raisins. Raisins are evil.

 

[gallantwarrior]

or, do a little bit of research, and find out that planes and helicopters have been dropping water on fires for decades.

Are you sure? Our esteemed President seems to think he is really helping lifelong firefighters by informing them of this.

He doesn't have the experience but he is trying to make some suggestions...suggestions that work for wildfires here.

 

[fncceo]

One of the best things about the last election is that it's polarized apparently normal folks to a point where they will argue over how to put out a fire... a fire that isn't even burning in their country.

This is hilarious ... it's like watching my aunt and uncle get plastered over Pesach and get into a battle royale over raisins or no raisins in kugel.

Big fun.

Oh that's easy. Without even knowing what Kugel is. NO raisins. Raisins are evil.

Going through life without experiencing a kugel, raisins or no raisins, ... now that is an evil existence.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Unbeknownst to most of us, there are many ways to end a fire. One of the most obvious ways, that only the stupidest of idiots would think that they thought of first, is to fly helicopters over a fire that can pour water on it. Other methods include blowing on a fire. Can you think of any other techniques?

remove all the oxygen