Zone1 Designed for Inequality: The Real Problem Behind Property Tax-Funded Education

[MisterBeale]

Absolutely untrue.

You’re saying that if the final results across all sectors is not equal, the government is corrupt or incompetent?

There’s no impact if the parents are married and emphasizing the value of their child’s education versus a single mother who doesn’t think it’s that important?

You’re blaming the government instead of admitting that there is personal responsibility involved in outcomes.

Of course there is some personal responsibility, but if the government is set up to favor some folks over others, that needs to be rectified.

Mostly, when it comes to education, government is the problem, not the solution.

 

[22lcidw]

TLR I live in a county with richer and poorer areas. Schools in the richer areas, especially elementary schools, hold fundraisers, school fairs for example, that raise a large amount of money that schools in poorer areas will never see. Does not make a huge difference but just one of many advantages, like private tutors, that richer parents offer. Our county is fully aware but limited as to how to level the playing field. Life is just unfair.

Slow down illegitimate children. If the girl getting pregnant and the guy impregnates her are both under the legal age, imprison them for rape and molestation charges.

 

[alang1216]

Slow down illegitimate children. If the girl getting pregnant and the guy impregnates her are both under the legal age, imprison them for rape and molestation charges.

What happens to the baby if the parents are in jail?

 

[ding]

TLR I live in a county with richer and poorer areas. Schools in the richer areas, especially elementary schools, hold fundraisers, school fairs for example, that raise a large amount of money that schools in poorer areas will never see. Does not make a huge difference but just one of many advantages, like private tutors, that richer parents offer. Our county is fully aware but limited as to how to level the playing field. Life is just unfair.

Can’t the same argument be made about everything? Houses, cars, clothes, vacations, eating out, etc?

How is that unfair though? And before you argue they had unfair advantages, what is it that made their advantages unfair? Is it unfair that world class athletes have genetics that lesser athletes don’t have?

 

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Schools in the richer areas, especially elementary schools, hold fundraisers, school fairs for example, that raise a large amount of money that schools in poorer areas will never see.

Is that unfair? Is it unfair that you have a nice house and homeless people have no house at all?

 

[Lisa558]

Is that unfair? Is it unfair that you have a nice house and homeless people have no house at all?

And Alang (the poster you replied to) is ignoring a key fact: just because a school is located in a poorer area doesn’t mean that it is spending less on their students. In DC, for example, the per-student spending in public schools is significantly higher than that spent in the wealthy Fairfax County near it, and yet the DC students perform worse.

Obviously, money doesn’t explain it. Thus, there are other factors that lead to poorer outcomes: single parents who are less involved with their kid’s schooling, or less value placed on academics in general.

 

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And Alang (the poster you replied to) is ignoring a key fact: just because a school is located in a poorer area doesn’t mean that it is spending less on their students. In DC, for example, the per-student spending in public schools is significantly higher than that spent in the wealthy Fairfax County near it, and yet the DC students perform worse.

Obviously, money doesn’t explain it. Thus, there are other factors that lead to poorer outcomes: single parents who are less involved with their kid’s schooling, or less value placed on academics in general.

I think it’s emotion which keeps people from understanding equal opportunity determines whether something is fair or not. Not equal outcomes.

 

[Lisa558]

I think it’s emotion which keeps people from understanding equal opportunity determines whether something is fair or not. Not equal outcomes.

Agree.

And you can’t expect equal outcomes without correcting for factors that lead to unequal ones. For example, a high out-of-birthrate is correlated to lower educational attainment (and higher rates of crime and poverty).

People like OP would like to see equal outcomes in poor neighborhoods where the vast majority of babies are born out of wedlock. That isn’t going to happen unless the behavior leading to less success is corrected.

It’s just so much easier to pretend that it’s because wealthier people aren’t giving enough money to poorer people.

 

[alang1216]

Can’t the same argument be made about everything? Houses, cars, clothes, vacations, eating out, etc?

How is that unfair though? And before you argue they had unfair advantages, what is it that made their advantages unfair? Is it unfair that world class athletes have genetics that lesser athletes don’t have?

It is unfair that the success of a child is dependent upon the success of another.

 

[dblack]

What we need is a federal program to control all the schools. And then a parity program where underpeforming schools get more money, so they can catch up.

 

[Lisa558]

It is unfair that the success of a child is dependent upon the success of another.

You mean it’s unfair that one poor child is born to a single mother who doesn’t care that much about his education, and another poor child is born to married parents who emphasizes that the way to escape poverty is through high academic success?

Also, and I know this isn’t allowed in Lib Speak, but some children are more intelligent than others, more disciplined than others, more motivated than others. Some of that is parental influence, but some of it is just genetic.

I’m not sure we can change that. Some parents are just less responsible, make poor decisions, and have the wrong values. And some children are born with innate gifts that others don’t have. Such is life.

 

[alang1216]

Is that unfair? Is it unfair that you have a nice house and homeless people have no house at all?

Maybe. If the state took my house and made me homeless to make way for a country club, I'd say thats unfair.

 

[Lisa558]

Maybe. If the state took my house and made me homeless to make way for a country club, I'd say thats unfair.

The state isn’t making poor kids do badly in school, or not care about their academic achievement.

 

[dblack]

Equity!

 

[alang1216]

You mean it’s unfair that one poor child is born to a single mother who doesn’t care that much about his education, and another poor child is born to married parents who emphasizes that the way to escape poverty is through high academic success?

Also, and I know this isn’t allowed in Lib Speak, but some children are more intelligent than others, more disciplined than others, more motivated than others. Some of that is parental influence, but some of it is just genetic.

I’m not sure we can change that. Some parents are just less responsible, make poor decisions, and have the wrong values. And some children are born with innate gifts that others don’t have. Such is life.

I've never been a believer that the sins of the father should be visited on the son.

 

[Lisa558]

I've never been a believer that the sins of the father should be visited on the son.

Huh? So what should be done with single parents, or just bad parents, who don’t instill the value of education on their children? Just give the low-achievers the same grades as the kids who do well so we have “equal outcomes”?

Or what about the half of all kids who are born just average, or below, in terms of innate intelligence? Should we raise their grades to “match” those who are academically superior?

Why should the smart, motivated, disciplined kids work hard to do well when the liberals are just going to “equalize” grades?

 

[leftwinger]

What we need is a federal program to control all the schools. And then a parity program where underpeforming schools get more money, so they can catch up.

Got it. You're for more big GOVT & more GOVT spending. Did I read that right?

 

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It is unfair that the success of a child is dependent upon the success of another.

You tell me. Because I don’t see the connection. Do you believe that no one controls their own destiny?

 

[ding]

What we need is a federal program to control all the schools. And then a parity program where underpeforming schools get more money, so they can catch up.

If you expect the government to save everyone, you will be sorely disappointed.

 

[Lisa558]

What we need is a federal program to control all the schools. And then a parity program where underpeforming schools get more money, so they can catch up.

Underperforming schools in DC already get MORE MONEY per student than in Fairfax County, yet the DC students still score much worse.

Obviously, throwing more money at the problem won’t solve the problem because money is NOT the problem.

Observer: “we have a problem with XYZ.”
Liberal: “let’s spend more money on it.”