Bernie's Wealth Tax and Its Presumed Purpose

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"Senator Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna, a representative, on Monday introduced legislation that would impose a 5% annual wealth tax on America’s billionaires.

The proposal, titled the make billionaires pay their fair share act, would apply to individuals in the US with a net worth of $1bn or more, of which Sanders’s office estimates there are 938 people who meet that threshold.


In a news release on Monday, Sanders, the independent senator of Vermont, and Khanna, the Democratic representative of California who has recently gained national attention for his role in pushing the government to release files related to Jeffrey Epstein, said that an analysis by economists at the University of California, Berkeley, estimates that “the legislation would raise $4.4tn over the next decade”.

There is a lot that can be said about Bernie and this proposal. Envy as public policy, punishing success, fearing the harmless "inequality crisis," the senility crisis in Congress, and so on. One could also speculate, with some cause for concern, that the truly wealthy would quickly figure out a way to avoid this wealth tax, but my point is on the other end of the matter, specifically, what would be done with the government windfall.

Democrats abhor the very idea of fiscal responsibility, and they would never float the notion that SOME of this windfall might be used to balance the [fukkin'] budget, but Bernie proposes using this money to pay for "kids' healthcare," solving the homeless problem, feeding and housing the "poor," and possibly even saving the planet.

And this is what I challenge.

Every competent HS Civics teacher teaches his students that the U.S. Federal government is a government of LIMITED powers, while the States' powers are not so limited. This concept is codified, basically, in two places in the U.S. Constitution: Article I, Section 8, which detailed the "powers" of Congress (to spend our tax dollars), and the Tenth Amendment which says, in effect, the powers of the Federal government are limited to those that are detailed in the Constitution; all other governing powers are reserved to the States and the people. That is to say, if the Feds don't get a power from the words of the Constitution, then that power is reserved to someone else.

Section 8 details 17 (or so) powers of Congress, and NONE of them provides any benefit to any individual American (or resident). None. They are all government functions that benefit the country as a whole. That is to say that Congress lacks the "power" to fund, for example,
  • Welfare benefits,
  • Food stamps (regardless of what they are called),
  • Housing subsidies or loans,
  • Healthcare for anyone but the Armed Forces (and presumably Veterans),
  • Education, or
  • Saving the planet.
There is wording in Article I about the "general welfare," and Constitutional ignorami have long supposed that these words give Congress the power to do anything that Congress seems to promote the "general welfare," but this is an obviously erroneous reading. If the intention was to allow Congress to fund anything that it deemed to promote the general welfare then it would have been superfluous to mention seventeen (or so) specific powers. Further, prior to the FDR destruction of the Federal courts, any attempts by Congress to circumvent the constraints of the Tenth Amendment were shot down in the courts, or with the veto pen of the sitting President.

One might also recall the first attempt to shoot down the Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare") were focused on whether Congress had the power to "mandate" that citizens carry health insurance. The Supreme Court's opinion in that case acknowledged that Congress had no power to issue such a mandate(!) but it upheld the law by deeming the PENALTY for not buying insurance a TAX! Exactly the opposite of what the proponents argued! In any event, if Congress had the power to promote the general welfare, then there would have been no question to resolve, eh? Clearly, Congress (at least the Democrats who passed the fukkin' law) thought that it promoted the "general welfare" to demand that healthy people buy insurance that they did not want or need.

So for the Lefties who might still be reading this, where in the Constitution does Congress get the power to spend my tax dollars on welfare, SNAP, healthcare for the "poor," housing subsidies, education, or saving the planet?
 
I like Bernie but I hate when politicians do things like this. If it was serious, you push it under Obama or Biden.

Oddly the "tax the rich" disappears when Democrats are in office.
 
It`s interesting how we can instantly fund a war, but can`t find money for healthcare.
 
It won't go anywhere and if it would manage to come up for a vote (and the dems all vote for it) it will be good fodder to increase gop PAC donations from said billionaires.

The dems should be careful what they wish for.....Never mind....Full speed ahead dems. ;)
 
A wealth tax is a bad idea. Why penalize the people that provide jobs and help the economy grow?
 
“the legislation would raise $4.4tn over the next decade”.

I'd bet serious money that if this legislation ever got passed, the revenue would be considerably less than this. Progressive liberals that wanna raise taxes on the wealthy always use a linear calculation that doesn't take into account the changes that the wealthy will make to avoid or reduce this tax burden. AND they don't seem to consider the negative effect such a tax would have on economic growth due to less investments.

Certainly, such tax has no chance of passing if the GOP control either chamber of Congress or the White House. BUT - if the democrats ever gain control of the federal gov't, they will abolish the filibuster and do as they please. And that probably means a wealthy tax on top of a higher income tax rate. America is not in the best fiscal shape at it is now, and things ain't going to improve IMHO despite what Trump says. Which means the above scenario is possible and even likely IMHO, and if/when that happens then we are f**ked.
 
I like Bernie but I hate when politicians do things like this. If it was serious, you push it under Obama or Biden.

Oddly the "tax the rich" disappears when Democrats are in office.
Like in CA and NY?
 
Democrats raise taxes when they have the power thats the point

They have had the power and did nothing. (on the federal level). Obama even continued Bush's tax cuts.
 
I'd bet serious money that if this legislation ever got passed, the revenue would be considerably less than this. Progressive liberals that wanna raise taxes on the wealthy always use a linear calculation that doesn't take into account the changes that the wealthy will make to avoid or reduce this tax burden. AND they don't seem to consider the negative effect such a tax would have on economic growth due to less investments.
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Certainly, such tax has no chance of passing if the GOP control either chamber of Congress or the White House. BUT - if the democrats ever gain control of the federal gov't, they will abolish the filibuster and do as they please. And that probably means a wealthy tax on top of a higher income tax rate. America is not in the best fiscal shape at it is now, and things ain't going to improve IMHO despite what Trump says. Which means the above scenario is possible and even likely IMHO, and if/when that happens then we are f**ked.
No, a five percent wealth tax on those with a net worth of a billion dollars would not leave us "f**ked.


We are looking at about 350 billion dollars a year in revenue. And while 5% might seem a bit harsh, consider the average wealth of the Forbes 400 richest Americans has increased by 6.5% a year, AFTER inflation, since flipping Ronald Reagan.

Look, this is not going to hurt the billionaires the least little bit. I mean I kind of hurt a bit for the owners of professional sports teams, but then again, the billions they suck out of local governments for stadiums and arenas, maybe this will help "level the playing field". It is time the billionaires paid their way, and no, sorry, the pittance they pay in income taxes doesn't come near the cost of protecting their asses and assets, not to mention all the "swag" they get.
 
Democrats raise taxes when they have the power thats the point
Let me inform you of something.

  • Families already struggling to make ends meet lose the most. Households in the lowest income decile, making $24,000 a year or less, lose about $1,200 every year, mostly due to deep cuts to Medicaid and food assistance. That amounts to over 3 percent of their total income, a devastating hit for people who can afford it the least.
  • Everyone in the bottom twenty percent of the income distribution, or those making less than $43,000 a year, will see a net decline in household resources.
  • Middle-class families get next to nothing. For those in the 5th and 6th decile, or the middle of the distribution, they will experience a resource gain of only 0.8 to 1 percent. That is barely enough to keep up with rising costs due to President Trump's reckless actions.

That is from the "big, beautiful, bill". Notice what is beautiful, those making less than 24 grand a year lose FIVE PERCENT of their income. I mean loose, poof, gone, FIVE PERCENT. So, the poor already got that, then they got hit with the tariffs, oddly enough, about another twelve hundred hit, and now, it is gas. Someone needs to paying attention to what is going on.
 
Let me inform you of something.

  • Families already struggling to make ends meet lose the most. Households in the lowest income decile, making $24,000 a year or less, lose about $1,200 every year, mostly due to deep cuts to Medicaid and food assistance. That amounts to over 3 percent of their total income, a devastating hit for people who can afford it the least.
  • Everyone in the bottom twenty percent of the income distribution, or those making less than $43,000 a year, will see a net decline in household resources.
  • Middle-class families get next to nothing. For those in the 5th and 6th decile, or the middle of the distribution, they will experience a resource gain of only 0.8 to 1 percent. That is barely enough to keep up with rising costs due to President Trump's reckless actions.

That is from the "big, beautiful, bill". Notice what is beautiful, those making less than 24 grand a year lose FIVE PERCENT of their income. I mean loose, poof, gone, FIVE PERCENT. So, the poor already got that, then they got hit with the tariffs, oddly enough, about another twelve hundred hit, and now, it is gas. Someone needs to paying attention to what is going on.
Your source is the democrat party which is worthless since they cant tell the truth about anything

Ways and Means (.gov) +
Highlights:

  • Middle Class Gets Outsized Cut: The middle 20 percent of earners, will get 13 percent of the total tax cut while only currently paying 10 percent of all income tax. This means a $1,780 tax cut for every middle-income taxpayer from all of President Trump’s tax cuts.
  • Working Families Get Outsized Cut: Taxpayers in the bottom 40 percent of earners will see their taxes cut by 15 percent. The lowest 20 percent of earners get the largest reduction in taxes of any income group.
  • Top 1 Percent Will Pay a Larger Share: The working families tax cut increases the share of federal income taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers to nearly 35 percent.
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Your source is the democrat party which is worthless since they cant tell the truth about anything

Ways and Means (.gov) +
Highlights:

  • Middle Class Gets Outsized Cut: The middle 20 percent of earners, will get 13 percent of the total tax cut while only currently paying 10 percent of all income tax. This means a $1,780 tax cut for every middle-income taxpayer from all of President Trump’s tax cuts.
  • Working Families Get Outsized Cut: Taxpayers in the bottom 40 percent of earners will see their taxes cut by 15 percent. The lowest 20 percent of earners get the largest reduction in taxes of any income group.
  • Top 1 Percent Will Pay a Larger Share: The working families tax cut increases the share of federal income taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers to nearly 35 percent.
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As if the Committee on Ways and Means is any better, LOL.
 
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The proof is in the pudding refunds come out in a month
Yeah, that pudding is going to end up being a big piece of nothing. Well, at least for most income earners. Did you take the overtime exemption? Seriously, did your W2 break that out for you? How about all that income tax on Social Security, that break help you out? Meanwhile, did you notice that pass through exemption went up from 20% to 23%. Hell, that is a cool 12 million break for Trump right there. You get that exemption?

Tax refunds have been out, have you not noticed? I mean all EITC recipients were promised theirs by March 2 if they filed right away. What money is coming back is just covering increased living expenses, first to the Trump Tariffs and now the Trump Wars.
 
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