Zone1 Designed for Inequality: The Real Problem Behind Property Tax-Funded Education

[Mr. Friscus]

Sorry to jump in, respected posters.

I believe that everyone should have equal access to education.

However, due to culture and to the fact that non-Asian brown and black people have lower IQ's on average than whites, the outcomes of that equal access would not be equal. Therefore there would have to be a conscious leveling up of educational opportunities for what we call "minority" students.

Yes, these are averages and there are many Blacks and Latinos who are outliers who are highly intelligent, just like highly intelligent whites are outliers. They will often become doctors, lawyers, engineers and other high cognitive load professions.

But . . . not in as high numbers as whites and Asians, not in absolute numbers and not as a percent of the minority population compared to the percent of the white population. Not unless there is a conscious effort to not only level up educational opportunities for them, but to admit them to advanced education programs and to graduate them from those programs, and to hire them in the professions.

If this sounds like racism then it is reality that is racist. IQ is a reliable predicter of success, and race is a reliable predicter if IQ - as an average.

Hard to get happy after that one, I know. I wish it were not true and that all we need do is remove the roadblocks put in place by the historically racist sytem. But I know of no evidence for that idea.

You're saying truths, but you messed up in saying "If this sounds like racism"... it's not. Don't believe weird 5-minute old definitions of the term "racism" by the left. Also, "Reality is racist"? No. Reality cannot believe a race is superior or inferior to another.

Discrimination happens, and it's not always negative. We discriminate in our lives all the time, and we're sometimes wise to do so.

 

[alang1216]

I really tire of whites saying the last line in your post. Funny how when whites think life is unfair, they use every means necessary to end what they think is unfair, even when it has not been unfair to them. Life is unfair, that's true, but legislated unfairness should never be allowed.

Life is unfair and much of that is beyond our control. What we do control should never make life more unfair. We have a responsibility to ourselves and others to mitigate or undo life's unfairness when we can.

 

[Correll]

We've know for generations that the primary factor to determine educational outcome is PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT.

You want to improve education? Support policies aimed as making the NUCLEAR TWO PARENT FAMILY the norm again. and the more the better.

 

[Lisa558]

We've know for generations that the primary factor to determine educational outcome is PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT.

You want to improve education? Support policies aimed as making the NUCLEAR TWO PARENT FAMILY the norm again. and the more the better.

And we can start with the welfare system that discourages women from marrying their Baby Daddies - or even filing for child support.

1. Get back to where the idea of single women having four and five babies with four or five different men is SHAMEFUL.

2. Reduce SNAP payment to women with illegitimate children to the point that they can no longer afford soda, candy, Freetos, etc.

3. Require women to identify the man (or men, some are real sluts) who they slept with during the month they became pregnant, require the man to take a DNA test, and then require the woman to file for child support before ANY welfare is paid.

To tie this back to OP’s point, this would encourage more married parents, or at least INVOLVED daddies, and thus benefit the child’s educational outcomes.

Due to the high rate of OOW births among blacks, this approach would particularly help black children close rhe education gap.

 

[IM2]

Life is unfair and much of that is beyond our control. What we do control should never make life more unfair. We have a responsibility to ourselves and others to mitigate or undo life's unfairness when we can.

Again its easy for whites to make this comment, but when whites feel something is unfair, even when it is not, you guys will use any means necessary to change it. So I don't really want to read your lectures about how unfair life is when you are a member of the population that has legislated unfairness on others. Period.

 

[Lisa558]

Again it’s easy for whites to mae this comment, but when whites feel something is unfair, even when it is not, you guys will use any means necessary to change it. So I don't really want to read your lectures about how unfair life is when you are a member of the population that has legislated unfairness on others. Period.

I agree that it is indeed unfair for the Democrats to have created policies that give unfair advantages to blacks, and particularly female blacks, in the college admissions arena as well as for jobs and promotions.

Blacks, and particularly female blacks, will now have to compete based on merit, and we won’t get stuck with idiots like Kamala Harris, Karine Jean-Pierre, or Affirmative Action z Jackson again. They are ALL in their positions due to unfair fwvoritism.

 

[Lisa558]

Again its easy for whites to mae this comment, but when whites feel something is unfair, even when it is not, you guys will use any means necessary to change it. So I don't really want to read your lectures about how unfair life is when you are a member of the population that has legislated unfairness on others. Period.

And P.S. If you don’t want to read whites’ “lectures” on showing you how wrong your beliefs are, don’t start a thread bringing up the subject.

 

[alang1216]

Again its easy for whites to mae this comment, but when whites feel something is unfair, even when it is not, you guys will use any means necessary to change it. So I don't really want to read your lectures about how unfair life is when you are a member of the population that has legislated unfairness on others. Period.

The other option is that the majority ignore the fact that culture and laws make life unfair for minorities. Would you prefer that?

 

[IM2]

The other option is that the majority ignore the fact that culture and laws make life unfair for minorities. Would you prefer that?

The majority made the laws n the majority culture has been the problem.

 

[Lisa558]

The other option is that the majority ignore the fact that culture and laws make life unfair for minorities. Would you prefer that?

How do the laws make things unfair for minorities? The “protected” minorities are giving favoritism.

I should know. College admissions committees twist into pretzels to justify accepting an academically inferior black or Latino over an academically superior Asian (or Jew).

 

[alang1216]

How do the laws make things unfair for minorities? The “protected” minorities are giving favoritism.

That may be true today, it was not always so.

I should know. College admissions committees twist into pretzels to justify accepting an academically inferior black or Latino over an academically superior Asian (or Jew).

Fear not, Trump is undoing all that DEI stuff.

 

[alang1216]

The majority made the laws n the majority culture has been the problem.

So the burden should be on the majority culture to correct the problem.

 

[Lisa558]

That may be true today, it was not always so.

True, it was different generations ago. But any black adult under the age of 65 has benefitted from favoritism. It’s past time to start treating people equally.

Fear not, Trump is undoing all that DEI stuff.

I know. That’s one of the reasons I like him - he opposes racist policies.

 

[IM2]

So the burden should be on the majority culture to correct the problem.

Yes. And at this point the majority culture has denied the problem they haave created.

 

[MisterBeale]

She said EQUITY, the distinction between that and equality I pointed out.

In grade school, I was the best math student and was a pretty damned good center fielder. Conversely, I was terrible at picking up foreign languages and was dwarfed by the other kids on the basketball court.

No amount of equity education could have changed with fact.

I favor meritocracies. Anything short of that leads us to regression.

In the case of education, if government is going to be the provider, given that all children (on aggregate, once family and community influences have been factored in,) have equal ability, of course the government should aim for equitable education results (within a range of scores,) across the board.

If the final results across all sectors of society are not equitable, then the government administration of education is either corrupt, incompetent, or both, and public compulsory education needs to be dispensed with.

 

[Lisa558]

In the case of education, if government is going to be the provider, given that all children (on aggregate, once family and community influences have been factored in,) have equal ability, of course the government should aim for equitable education results (within a range of scores,) across the board.

If the final results across all sectors of society are not equitable, then the government administration of education is either corrupt, incompetent, or both, and public compulsory education needs to be dispensed with.

Absolutely untrue.

You’re saying that if the final results across all sectors is not equal, the government is corrupt or incompetent?

There’s no impact if the parents are married and emphasizing the value of their child’s education versus a single mother who doesn’t think it’s that important?

You’re blaming the government instead of admitting that there is personal responsibility involved in outcomes.

 

[IM2]

That may be true today, it was not always so.


Fear not, Trump is undoing all that DEI stuff.

What Lisa said has never been the case. And so what Trump is doing is ending something whites have imagined is unfair to them when in reality, it has not been.

Because:

According to the 2024 Department of Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey, which includes data on employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity, there is no indication of discrimination against white individuals. Whites represent 76.3 percent of the workforce. Latinos were 19.4 percent, Blacks were 12.8 percent, and Asians were 7 percent. Where the fallacy in the right-wing argument is revealed most is in the various types of management. While whites are 76.3 percent of the overall workforce, they are 76.7 percent of those holding various management positions.

Whites are:

• 86 percent of the CEOS.
• 80 percent of the GMS and Operations managers.
• 92 percent of the Advertising/Promotions managers.
• 82.6 percent of the Marketing managers.
• 87 percent of the Sales managers.
• 88.5 percent of the P.R. and fundraising managers.
• 80.8 percent of the Administrative services managers.
• 79.9 percent of the Facilities managers.
• 71.9 percent of the Computer and Information managers.
• 77.4 percent of the Financial managers.
• 78.9 percent of the Human Resource managers.
• 88.1 percent of the Training and Development managers
• 81 percent of the Industrial Production managers.
• 83 percent of the Purchasing managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Transportation, storage, and Distribution managers.
• 96.3 percent of Farm, Ranch, and other agricultural managers.
• 89.3 percent of the Construction managers.
• 78 percent of the Education and childcare administrators.
• 75.8 percent of the Food service managers.
• 80 percent of the Entertainment/Recreation managers.
• 75.6 percent of the Lodging managers.
• 76.4 percent of the Medical and Health services managers.
• 79.6 percent of the Property, Real Estate and Community Associations managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Social and Community services managers.8
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• It doesn’t stop with management.
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• Whites are:
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• 77 percent of the employees in Business and financial occupations.
• 64.2 percent of the employees in Computer and mathematic occupations.
• 76 percent of the employees in Architecture/engineering occupations.
• 72.6 percent of the employees in the Life, physic and social science occupations.
• 71.8 percent of the employees in the Community and Social service occupations.
• 82.1 percent of the employees in the Legal occupations.
• 78.7 percent of the Education, training and library occupations.
• 79.7 percent of the Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media occupations.
• 79 percent of the police officers.
• 80.6 percent of the Detectives and criminal investigators.
• 66.8 percent of of the correction officers and jailers.9

Right now, whites are approximately 60 percent of the American population. So, where is the discrimination against whites? I’ll answer:

IT DOESN’T EXIST!

This is an example of whites imagining something is unfair because of the entitlement mentality prevalent in white culture. Whites are not entitled to every job, prmotion or college admission.

And to show you the sheer ignorance of that subhuman scum Lisa, WHITE WOMEN, including her wretched white racist ass, were and are the number 1 recipient of both Affirmative Action and DEI.

The opposition to these policies is not about merit. Not based on the statistics you have been shown. Any opposition to these policies by whites when whites are still overrepresented in the workplace is nothing more than whites wanting racial preference and exclusion of anyone not white. That is pure racism. Period.

Don't try that feeble-ass white racist argument about DEI discriminating against whites because the data shows that it doesn't. So then, when whites start running their mouths but life being unfair while imagining something is unfair to them that is not as seen by evidence, yet they do everything they can to get what they imagine is unfair to them ended, the whites participating in that are pure evil. And this is why some blacks call whites devils. However, not all whites deserve to be labeled as such, therefore I am going to be specific: WHITE, right-wing, Trump-supporting Republicans are evil.

Now come with the whining about how I hate all white people because you right wingers can't face the truth.

 

[Lisa558]

What Lisa said has never been the case. And so what Trump is doing is ending something whites have imagined is unfair to them when in reality, it has not been.

Because:

According to the 2024 Department of Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey, which includes data on employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity, there is no indication of discrimination against white individuals. Whites represent 76.3 percent of the workforce. Latinos were 19.4 percent, Blacks were 12.8 percent, and Asians were 7 percent. Where the fallacy in the right-wing argument is revealed most is in the various types of management. While whites are 76.3 percent of the overall workforce, they are 76.7 percent of those holding various management positions.

Whites are:

• 86 percent of the CEOS.
• 80 percent of the GMS and Operations managers.
• 92 percent of the Advertising/Promotions managers.
• 82.6 percent of the Marketing managers.
• 87 percent of the Sales managers.
• 88.5 percent of the P.R. and fundraising managers.
• 80.8 percent of the Administrative services managers.
• 79.9 percent of the Facilities managers.
• 71.9 percent of the Computer and Information managers.
• 77.4 percent of the Financial managers.
• 78.9 percent of the Human Resource managers.
• 88.1 percent of the Training and Development managers
• 81 percent of the Industrial Production managers.
• 83 percent of the Purchasing managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Transportation, storage, and Distribution managers.
• 96.3 percent of Farm, Ranch, and other agricultural managers.
• 89.3 percent of the Construction managers.
• 78 percent of the Education and childcare administrators.
• 75.8 percent of the Food service managers.
• 80 percent of the Entertainment/Recreation managers.
• 75.6 percent of the Lodging managers.
• 76.4 percent of the Medical and Health services managers.
• 79.6 percent of the Property, Real Estate and Community Associations managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Social and Community services managers.8
• 
  
• It doesn’t stop with management.
• 
  
• Whites are:
• 
  
• 77 percent of the employees in Business and financial occupations.
• 64.2 percent of the employees in Computer and mathematic occupations.
• 76 percent of the employees in Architecture/engineering occupations.
• 72.6 percent of the employees in the Life, physic and social science occupations.
• 71.8 percent of the employees in the Community and Social service occupations.
• 82.1 percent of the employees in the Legal occupations.
• 78.7 percent of the Education, training and library occupations.
• 79.7 percent of the Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media occupations.
• 79 percent of the police officers.
• 80.6 percent of the Detectives and criminal investigators.
• 66.8 percent of of the correction officers and jailers.9

Right now, whites are approximately 60 percent of the American population. So, where is the discrimination against whites? I’ll answer:

IT DOESN’T EXIST!

This is an example of whites imagining something is unfair because of the entitlement mentality prevalent in white culture. Whites are not entitled to every job, prmotion or college admission.

And to show you the sheer ignorance of that subhuman scum Lisa, WHITE WOMEN, including her wretched white racist ass, were and are the number 1 recipient of both Affirmative Action and DEI.

The opposition to these policies is not about merit. Not based on the statistics you have been shown. Any opposition to these policies by whites when whites are still overrepresented in the workplace is nothing more than whites wanting racial preference and exclusion of anyone not white. That is pure racism. Period.

Don't try that feeble-ass white racist argument about DEI discriminating against whites because the data shows that it doesn't. So then, when whites start running their mouths but life being unfair while imagining something is unfair to them that is not as seen by evidence, yet they do everything they can to get what they imagine is unfair to them ended, the whites participating in that are pure evil. And this is why some blacks call whites devils. However, not all whites deserve to be labeled as such, therefore I am going to be specific: WHITE, right-wing, Trump-supporting Republicans are evil.

Now come with the whining about how I hate all white people because you right wingers can't face the truth.

1) None of that proves anything. Blacks have nearly 3 out of 4 babies out-of-wedlock, and commit violent crimes at a rate well above whites.

2) And when you start calling people who refuse to go along with your false claims “evil,” guess what that makes YOU?

3) Once blacks get their out-of-wedlock birthrate and crime rate down to the level of whites, THEN we’ll look at other reasons for the lower percentage of blacks in top roles. You can’t just ignore behavior that is correlated with bad outcomes, and then moan that outcomes aren’t equal.

 

[alang1216]

Yes. And at this point the majority culture has denied the problem they haave created.

Well, if I'm to be painted with a MAGA brush, I'll shut up about fairness and let you change the MAGA culture on your own.

 

[alang1216]

What Lisa said has never been the case. And so what Trump is doing is ending something whites have imagined is unfair to them when in reality, it has not been.

Because:

According to the 2024 Department of Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey, which includes data on employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity, there is no indication of discrimination against white individuals. Whites represent 76.3 percent of the workforce. Latinos were 19.4 percent, Blacks were 12.8 percent, and Asians were 7 percent. Where the fallacy in the right-wing argument is revealed most is in the various types of management. While whites are 76.3 percent of the overall workforce, they are 76.7 percent of those holding various management positions.

Whites are:

• 86 percent of the CEOS.
• 80 percent of the GMS and Operations managers.
• 92 percent of the Advertising/Promotions managers.
• 82.6 percent of the Marketing managers.
• 87 percent of the Sales managers.
• 88.5 percent of the P.R. and fundraising managers.
• 80.8 percent of the Administrative services managers.
• 79.9 percent of the Facilities managers.
• 71.9 percent of the Computer and Information managers.
• 77.4 percent of the Financial managers.
• 78.9 percent of the Human Resource managers.
• 88.1 percent of the Training and Development managers
• 81 percent of the Industrial Production managers.
• 83 percent of the Purchasing managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Transportation, storage, and Distribution managers.
• 96.3 percent of Farm, Ranch, and other agricultural managers.
• 89.3 percent of the Construction managers.
• 78 percent of the Education and childcare administrators.
• 75.8 percent of the Food service managers.
• 80 percent of the Entertainment/Recreation managers.
• 75.6 percent of the Lodging managers.
• 76.4 percent of the Medical and Health services managers.
• 79.6 percent of the Property, Real Estate and Community Associations managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Social and Community services managers.8
• 
  
• It doesn’t stop with management.
• 
  
• Whites are:
• 
  
• 77 percent of the employees in Business and financial occupations.
• 64.2 percent of the employees in Computer and mathematic occupations.
• 76 percent of the employees in Architecture/engineering occupations.
• 72.6 percent of the employees in the Life, physic and social science occupations.
• 71.8 percent of the employees in the Community and Social service occupations.
• 82.1 percent of the employees in the Legal occupations.
• 78.7 percent of the Education, training and library occupations.
• 79.7 percent of the Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media occupations.
• 79 percent of the police officers.
• 80.6 percent of the Detectives and criminal investigators.
• 66.8 percent of of the correction officers and jailers.9

For many reasons, Blacks in this country tend to be less educated than Whites so the numbers you cite are hardly surprising.