Zone1 Designed for Inequality: The Real Problem Behind Property Tax-Funded Education
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That seems to be exactly what you believe if you believe people of poverty can’t be successful on their own. How many rags to riches stories are you going to have to read before you realize it’s possible?
Do you know how many holes there are in your analogy?
I was being sarcastic.
Oh. My bad.
They're adults, nothing much can be done.
If I race you while carrying a 50 lb weight, and you beat me, are really faster?
No
Not this lib.
So you’re saying that being born to poor, uneducated parents is like carrying a 50-pound weight?
Plenty of kids are in that spot, and thanks to their own intelligence, motivation, discipline, and wise choices win scholarships to college, perhaps work at the university where they wanr to get a grad degree, and make sacrifices to move forward in life.
Let’s please not always blame “society” for kids who shirk their educations. In doing so, you discredit the positive traits of students who DO achieve who come from the same background.
Throwing money at poor schools isn’t the problem. And you can’t change irresponsible parents with bad values. You just have to provide the educational opportunities to the kids - which all jurisdictions do.
Anecdotes are evidence of how rare an event is.
No one has complete control.
If the parents can't or won't push their children to be educated, then yes.
More do not than do.
If that society is OK with letting kids fail, it deserves blame.
They do but to very different effect.
That doesn't make sense....
We've know for generations that the primary factor to determine educational outcome is PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT.
Blacks have a single parent rate of 75%. So, there is the primary cause of unequal outcome.
You want to change it? I will support you in addressing the primary cause.
Throwing money at the problem? That has been our solution for the last 60 years.
It has failed. It will keep failing.
I agree but I'm not willing to give up on any of the children.
We’re not “letting” kids fail. They are all provided educational opportunities, funded by the state, and we have special remedial courses for the slow learners to work with them. We give them Pell Grants to take vocational training if they want, or take a terminal AA degree at a community college. But at some point you have to face that all people are not equal - and some are just better motivated, more disciplined, more intelligent.
But unless a child is mentally disabled, there is NO excuse for dropping out of high school. None. Neither is there an excuse for a 20-year-old to ALREADY have two illegitimate children and no job training.
You offer absolutely no solution but the usual liberal “let’s give them more money” - when it’s been shown that schools with higher funding do not do better than those with less.
What needs to change is the CULTURE in these environments where a high school degree is not seen as an absolute necessity, and teen pregnancy is the norm. What we need to invoke is a sense of SHAME in a 17-year-old with a baby, and now pregnant again, and a 10th grade education. We need to stop making excuses for people because they’re poor.
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Yes, rags to riches stories are rare. Why do you suppose that is in a competitive society? Are you suggesting that it should be the norm?
You do realize that some rich people get poorer and some poor people get richer, right? But for the rich people that get richer and the poor people that get poorer there is a very simple explanation. They keep doing the same things.
Sure they do. Everything is choice.
Given your beliefs it’s odd that you aren’t railing against the university elites. In the age of the internet it would be quite easy and inexpensive to make the knowledge they teach at universities available to all, right?
Why aren’t you crusading for that?
Alang is a liberal and thus makes excuses for poor people.
My parents, and their siblings, started off BEHIND first base. They were the children of impoverished Jewish immigrants fleeing antisemitism in Europe, who arrived here with the clothes on their back and not speaking a word of English.
Thus, my parents grew up in tenements, but they studied hard - making academic success their primary job - and won free college educations. They worked hard while in college as well, while ALSO holding part-time jobs, and all went on to successful professional careers.
From a tenement apartment to a house in the middle-class suburbs in 10 years.
Oh….and about my grandparents arriving without a word of English, that’s another difference we see between then and now.
Jews who had arrived earlier set up “ulpans” to teach the new immigrants English so they could adapt to their new country and become successful. So after a full day in sweatshops, my grandparents went to night class to learn English.
And they certainly did not speak in Yiddish when out in public. These days, you hear Spanish and Arabic screamed across the eatery at Tysons Corner, and announcements made over the loudspeaker in those languages as well.
Poor people, and particularly poor immigrants, were different back then. Then didn’t expect announcements translated into their old country’s language for them, they sure didn’t expect any food stamps and Medicaid, and they didn’t expect shopping malls to set up shuls for their convenience.
Jews who had arrived earlier set up “ulpans” to teach the new immigrants English so they could adapt to their new country and become successful. So after a full day in sweatshops, my grandparents went to night class to learn English.
And they certainly did not speak in Yiddish when out in public. These days, you hear Spanish and Arabic screamed across the eatery at Tysons Corner, and announcements made over the loudspeaker in those languages as well.
Poor people, and particularly poor immigrants, were different back then. Then didn’t expect announcements translated into their old country’s language for them, they sure didn’t expect any food stamps and Medicaid, and they didn’t expect shopping malls to set up shuls for their convenience.
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