Dems want Laws changed after Rittenhouse shootings. Are vigilantes the answer? (Poll)

[B. Kidd]

Democrats on the Sunday morning shows, as well as many others want laws changed so that law abiding citizens can't defend themselves from criminals.
In SF gangs of looters emptied Louis Vitton and other high-end stores. What if Louis hired a few armed vigilantes?
In Philadelphia, a mom and baby were killed coming home from a baby shower,
WHERE IS THE DEMOCRAT'S OUTRAGE???????????????.

Pregnant Woman Shot, Killed Returning Home From Her Baby Shower, Philadelphia Police Say

A pregnant woman is dead after a shooting in the Crescentville section of Philadelphia.

philadelphia.cbslocal.com

NYC Mayor DeBlasio said the Rittenhouse verdict "sends a horrible message"...
De Blasio joins NY’s left in raging over Kyle Rittenhouse — as NYPD on alert for potential unrest
“This verdict is disgusting and it sends a horrible message to this country. Where is the justice in this,” de Blasio tweeted after the 18-year-old defendant was cleared of all charges in the deaths of two men and the wounding of a third during racially charged violence in Kenosha, Wisconsin, in 2020."

Biden, Adams, Sharpton and others weigh in on Rittenhouse verdict

The acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse in a Kenosha, Wis., courtroom sparked plenty of opinions on Friday — divided in the same way the country is. The baby-faced gunman, who killed two men and wounded a third at a Black Lives Matter protest last year, was hailed as a hero in right-wing circles...

news.yahoo.com

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) tweeted, “It’s time to dismantle systemic racism & fundamentally transform our broken justice system.”

California Gov. Gavin Newsom worried about the precedent set by the Rittenhouse case.
“America today: you can break the law, carry around weapons built for a military, shoot and kill people, and get away with it,” the Democrat tweeted. “That’s the message we’ve just sent to armed vigilantes across the nation.”


What if neighborhoods organized vigilantes to shoot criminals in their neighborhoods, today's version of a "well regulated militia"? Would urban gang shootings stop?

Lets take a poll on what should happen when pols and DAs stop police from arresting and prosecuting violent criminals.

Should vigilantes fill the gap and protect neighborhoods from criminals?

[The OP and thread title are now better aligned, sorry for the closure of the first thread discussion]

I've often said vigilantism FTW if necessary!

 

[JoeB131]

I may agree with most of the rest, but the covid deaths were almost all over 70, so actually improved the economy and workforce.
For example, there have only been fewer than 500 deaths from covid, under 18.

Oh, do shut the fuck up.

1. Gun control doesn't work in US cities. I wonder why? What population differences do US cities have with the UK, Italy, Japan, and Germany?

Again, you don't need to convince me you are a racist piece of excrement... we've already established that.

Gun control doesn't work in AMERICA because we've never really tried it.

 

[kyzr]

Again, you don't need to convince me you are a racist piece of excrement... we've already established that.
Gun control doesn't work in AMERICA because we've never really tried it.

LOL!! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. THERE ARE "SUPER-PREDATORS", JUST ASK JOE BIDEN.

According to FBI statistics, which race by far commits more murders? Hint: Blacks.
Why don't gun control laws work in US cities? Because criminals don't follow laws!!! DUH.

 

[Rigby5]

1. Gun control doesn't work in US cities. I wonder why? What population differences do US cities have with the UK, Italy, Japan, and Germany?
2. FBI statistics are the truth. Black males are the most violent by far, including gun violence and murders. That is not "racist" it is simple fact.

Gun control could NEVER possibly work.
Any person intent on a crime can always easily get a firearm, anywhere.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh, do shut the fuck up.




Again, you don't need to convince me you are a racist piece of excrement... we've already established that.

Gun control doesn't work in AMERICA because we've never really tried it.

Wrong.
If gun control worked in the UK, then how did the IRA have hundreds of thousands of machineguns?

 

[JoeB131]

LOL!! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. THERE ARE "SUPER-PREDATORS", JUST ASK JOE BIDEN.

According to FBI statistics, which race by far commits more murders? Hint: Blacks.
Why don't gun control laws work in US cities? Because criminals don't follow laws!!! DUH.

Again, we know you are a racist... just learn to deal.

Gun control could NEVER possibly work.
Any person intent on a crime can always easily get a firearm, anywhere.

Well, not really... the crooks in the UK have a much harder time getting guns than US Crooks do.

Wrong.
If gun control worked in the UK, then how did the IRA have hundreds of thousands of machineguns?

Wouldn't know... don't care.

Funny thing, haven't heard much from the IRA recently.

The UK has 32 gun homicides a year.. we have 14,389.

 

[Rigby5]

Again, we know you are a racist... just learn to deal.


Well, not really... the crooks in the UK have a much harder time getting guns than US Crooks do.


Wouldn't know... don't care.

Funny thing, haven't heard much from the IRA recently.

The UK has 32 gun homicides a year.. we have 14,389.

Wrong,
Drugs are equally illegal as guns, and yet are not at all difficult to obtain anywhere.

We do not hear about the IRA because the gov stopped discrimination against Catholics.

 

[kyzr]

Again, we know you are a racist... just learn to deal.

1. I'm not a racist, I'm a math major. There is a difference. We understand statistics. You think math is racist.
2. You are a slimy woke POS who would rather put our lives and our families' lives in danger than lockup violent criminals. Who runs down grandma cheerleaders in a parade? Hint: a violent criminal turned loose by the courts.

 

[Rigby5]

Gun control is totally insane.

Everyone knows where they can instantly buy an illegal gun if they want.
All they have to do is ask a drug dealer to get them one.
The claim it is at all difficult for anyone to get a gun anywhere, at any time, regardless of the national law, is ridiculous.
Sure we can reduce the number of gun people have by making draconian anti gun laws, that will NOT AT ALL reduce the number of armed criminals or murders, in any way.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Exactly. So how do we handle mental illness going forward?

Are we going back to committing people and insane asylums?

It's not about gun control, its about controlling gangs and crazies.

Your problem, here, is that you are trying to make this argument to Incel Joe, who is on the side of the gangs and crazies, against that of actual human beings. He wants human beings to be easier prey for the crazies and criminals that are his own kind.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong,
Drugs are equally illegal as guns, and yet are not at all difficult to obtain anywhere.

Really? I missed the part where there's a heroin shop on every corner. Or where we've locked up hundreds of thousands of gun dealers.

Do you really want to compare the DEA to the ATF? Because the DEA gets a lot more resources.

We do not hear about the IRA because the gov stopped discrimination against Catholics.

Actually, we don't hear about the IRA because the Irish themselves stamped them out.

1. I'm not a racist, I'm a math major. There is a difference. We understand statistics. You think math is racist.
2. You are a slimy woke POS who would rather put our lives and our families' lives in danger than lockup violent criminals. Who runs down grandma cheerleaders in a parade? Hint: a violent criminal turned loose by the courts.

Uh, guy, 83% of gun homicides are people who are shot by family members, friends or neighbors. And for every gun homicide you have two gun suicides. As Pogo said.

But yeah, a guy was let off with a minor bond for a minor crime. That's the problem when you have a prison-industrial complex. Eventually, you have to make decisions on who to let out, and sometimes they guess wrong.

It's not like we are going to fix racism, poverty, addiction, lack of mental health treatment and gun proliferation like the Europeans have... because that would be silly.

Your problem, here, is that you are trying to make this argument to @Incel Joe, who is on the side of the gangs and crazies, against that of actual human beings. He wants human beings to be easier prey for the crazies and criminals that are his own kind.

Yet you are the one who wants them to have easy access to guns, Mormon Bob. Of course, most perpetrators of gun violence are not "criminals", they are regular people who got a gun and used it in a domestic argument.

 

[JoeB131]

Gun control is totally insane.

Everyone knows where they can instantly buy an illegal gun if they want.
All they have to do is ask a drug dealer to get them one.
The claim it is at all difficult for anyone to get a gun anywhere, at any time, regardless of the national law, is ridiculous.
Sure we can reduce the number of gun people have by making draconian anti gun laws, that will NOT AT ALL reduce the number of armed criminals or murders, in any way.

Except the British, the French, the Germans, the Japanese have done exactly that.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Yet you are the one who wants them to have easy access to guns, Mormon Bob.

You're the one who wants them out running around free to commit more violence, rather than safely locked away in prisons and/;or mental hospitals as they should be.

Removing those who are proven to be inclined to commit acts of theft, violence, and destruction against actual human beings from free society would negate any worry about whether they might be able to obtain arms or what they would do with them.

Of course, most perpetrators of gun violence are not "criminals", they are regular people who got a gun and used it in a domestic argument.

I guess it takes, not an ordinary level of whatever combination of stupidity, madness, and evil was involved in making that statement, but an extreme, superhuman, Incel Joe level of stupidity, madness, and evil.

 

[2aguy]

Democrats on the Sunday morning shows, as well as many others want laws changed so that law abiding citizens can't defend themselves from criminals.
In SF gangs of looters emptied Louis Vitton and other high-end stores. What if Louis hired a few armed vigilantes?
In Philadelphia, a mom and baby were killed coming home from a baby shower,
WHERE IS THE DEMOCRAT'S OUTRAGE???????????????.

Pregnant Woman Shot, Killed Returning Home From Her Baby Shower, Philadelphia Police Say

A pregnant woman is dead after a shooting in the Crescentville section of Philadelphia.

philadelphia.cbslocal.com

NYC Mayor DeBlasio said the Rittenhouse verdict "sends a horrible message"...
De Blasio joins NY’s left in raging over Kyle Rittenhouse — as NYPD on alert for potential unrest
“This verdict is disgusting and it sends a horrible message to this country. Where is the justice in this,” de Blasio tweeted after the 18-year-old defendant was cleared of all charges in the deaths of two men and the wounding of a third during racially charged violence in Kenosha, Wisconsin, in 2020."

Biden, Adams, Sharpton and others weigh in on Rittenhouse verdict

The acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse in a Kenosha, Wis., courtroom sparked plenty of opinions on Friday — divided in the same way the country is. The baby-faced gunman, who killed two men and wounded a third at a Black Lives Matter protest last year, was hailed as a hero in right-wing circles...

news.yahoo.com

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) tweeted, “It’s time to dismantle systemic racism & fundamentally transform our broken justice system.”

California Gov. Gavin Newsom worried about the precedent set by the Rittenhouse case.
“America today: you can break the law, carry around weapons built for a military, shoot and kill people, and get away with it,” the Democrat tweeted. “That’s the message we’ve just sent to armed vigilantes across the nation.”


What if neighborhoods organized vigilantes to shoot criminals in their neighborhoods, today's version of a "well regulated militia"? Would urban gang shootings stop?

Lets take a poll on what should happen when pols and DAs stop police from arresting and prosecuting violent criminals.

Should vigilantes fill the gap and protect neighborhoods from criminals?

[The OP and thread title are now better aligned, sorry for the closure of the first thread discussion]

Yeah....they want to reduce the penalties for drive by shooters....

So why are Washington Democrats offering up a bill in the state legislature to lower the penalties for drive-by shootings? Well, there’s woke and then there’s just plain stupid. Washington state Democrats are vying to become the best stupid they can be, bless ’em.

Currently, Washington law holds that a drive-by shooter should get an aggravated enhancement if he is arrested and prosecuted—and that’s a big if. Such an enhancement could land a drive-by murderer a life prison sentence.

But under a bill proposed for the upcoming Washington state legislature by white, woke ex-con state Rep. Tarra Simmons and her co-sponsor David Hackney, the reduction in penalties is a move toward “racial equity.” That’s right, drive-by shooting prosecutorial outcomes are racist. Never mind all the black and brown people who are the disproportionate victims of drive-by shootings.

Washington State Democrats Want Decreased Penalties for Drive-By Shooters Because... Aw, You Guessed

pjmedia.com

 

[2aguy]

Except the British, the French, the Germans, the Japanese have done exactly that.

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Regularly? That is how you lie.....

Before Britain banned guns, they had a mass public shooting about once every 10 years, and now, after the ban, they have about the same....meanwhile.....that whole muslim terrorist attack was ignored by you....the Charlie Hebdo attack and the Bataclan attack.......

You know...where the attackers used fully automatic military rifles and grenades.....weapons banned on the Continent, banned by France and banned in Paris......

They killed more people in the attacks during the Rock concert than the Vegas shooter, and they used actual, fully automatic military rifles and grenades.......

France was shaken on January 7, 2015, by a deadly assault on the offices of satiric magazine Charlie Hebdo. A pair of Islamist militants armed with assault rifles burst into the magazine’s Paris offices and murdered 11 people,
----Over the following 48 hours, six more people were killed in attacks in and around Paris.

Paris attacks of 2015 | Timeline, Events, & Aftermath

Paris attacks of 2015, coordinated terrorist attacks that took place in Paris on the evening of November 13, 2015. At least 130 people were killed and more than 350 were injured by gunmen and suicide bombers who targeted the Stade de France and popular night spots in Paris’s 10th and 11th...

www.britannica.com

The November 2015 Paris attacks were a series of coordinated Islamist terrorist attacks[13][14] that took place on Friday[15][16] 13 November 2015 in Paris, France, and the city's northern suburb, Saint-Denis.

the attackers killed 130 people,[3] including 90 at the Bataclan theatre.[18][19][20] Another 416 people were injured,[6][21]

November 2015 Paris attacks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JoeB131]

You're the one who wants them out running around free to commit more violence, rather than safely locked away in prisons and/;or mental hospitals as they should be.

Actually, mental hospitals were shut down by a conservative Supreme Court. In 1975, the Supreme Court ruled that a non-dangerous mentally ill person could not be incarcerated against his will.

O'Connor v. Donaldson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As for prisons, we have gone from locking up 500K prisoners in 1980 to nearly 2 million today. Locking people up isn't the answer.

So while your comment no doubt made you feel good saying it... it's nowhere near the truth.

Removing those who are proven to be inclined to commit acts of theft, violence, and destruction against actual human beings from free society would negate any worry about whether they might be able to obtain arms or what they would do with them.

Except we lock up more people than any country in the world, including Communist China, and we have the highest crime rates in the industrialized world.

the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing, and expecting different results.

I guess it takes, not an ordinary level of whatever combination of stupidity, madness, and evil was involved in making that statement, but an extreme, superhuman, level of stupidity, madness, and evil.

No, the insanity is our current system that creates a permanent criminal class.

 

[JoeB131]

Regularly? That is how you lie.....

Before Britain banned guns, they had a mass public shooting about once every 10 years, and now, after the ban, they have about the same....meanwhile.....that whole muslim terrorist attack was ignored by you....the Charlie Hebdo attack and the Bataclan attack.......

No, I don't consider that to be important because they were one-off attacks. Yes, you really aren't going to be able to stop a concerted attack by an international terrorist organization. The French had a spate of these things, their intelligence agencies got better at detecting them and they haven't had any more of them since 2015.

But that's not what we are talking about. In the US, it isn't highly organized terror groups carrying out daily mass shootings.. it's disaffected losers who walk into a gun story and are able to buy military grade ordinance and bring it into a school or a theater or a shopping mall.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, mental hospitals were shut down by a conservative Supreme Court. In 1975, the Supreme Court ruled that a non-dangerous mentally ill person could not be incarcerated against his will.

O'Connor v. Donaldson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As for prisons, we have gone from locking up 500K prisoners in 1980 to nearly 2 million today. Locking people up isn't the answer.

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So while your comment no doubt made you feel good saying it... it's nowhere near the truth.



Except we lock up more people than any country in the world, including Communist China, and we have the highest crime rates in the industrialized world.

the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing, and expecting different results.



No, the insanity is our current system that creates a permanent criminal class.

No......the democrats keep releasing the most violent criminals that we keep catching over and over again...that isn't the answer...keeping the violent gun offenders locked up for long periods of time actually is the answer....

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[2aguy]

No, I don't consider that to be important because they were one-off attacks. Yes, you really aren't going to be able to stop a concerted attack by an international terrorist organization. The French had a spate of these things, their intelligence agencies got better at detecting them and they haven't had any more of them since 2015.

But that's not what we are talking about. In the US, it isn't highly organized terror groups carrying out daily mass shootings.. it's disaffected losers who walk into a gun story and are able to buy military grade ordinance and bring it into a school or a theater or a shopping mall.

They aren't mass shootings....they are also criminal shootings.....concentrated in tiny areas of our democrat party controlled cities, targeted against other criminals.........

These criminals can't walk into gun stores because they are criminals who can't buy, own or carry guns legally......who are then captured, and then released by democrat party judges and prosecutors....

Some of your heroes...captured by police over and over again, then released over and over again by your democrat party judges and prosecutors...

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• #42: Man killed 1, injured 3 in expressway shooting while on bond for attempted murder, prosecutor say (September 11, 2021)
• #43: Man shot victim 11 times while awaiting new trial in gun case, prosecutors say (September 22, 2021)
• #44: Man charged with trying to kill his girlfriend while on felony bond (September 22, 2021)
• #45: Man beat, shot at his pregnant girlfriend while free on felony case, prosecutors say (September 26, 2021)
• #46: Man shot woman during argument over phone messages while on bail for felony gun case, prosecutors say (October 10, 2021)
• #47: Twice-convicted gun offender shot man while on bail for another gun case and escape, prosecutors say (October 12, 2021)
• #48: Five-time felon killed his own cousin while on electronic monitoring for pending narcotics case, prosecutors say (November 3, 2021)
• #49: Gunman shot a passing car while firing across Chicago Avenue — and while on felony bond (November 6, 2021)
• #50: Uber driver was murdered by a man who was on felony bail, federal prosecutors say. But that’s only part of the story. (November 8, 2021)
• #51: Concealed carry holder kills catalytic converter thief who opened fire on him in West Lakeview (November 11, 2021)
• #52: Man who shot driver in South Loop on Saturday was AWOL from a pending felony case, prosecutors say (November 23, 2021)
• #53: Man charged with shooting 1-year-old while on recognizance bond for felony gun case (November 26, 2021)
• #54: Man opened fire on trucker during expressway dispute — while on bond for being a felon in possession of a firearm, prosecutors say (November 27, 2021)
• #55: Man killed 2, shot 3 more while awaiting trial for carjacking, prosecutors say (November 28, 2021)
• #56: Man tried to kill his wife on the Kennedy Expressway while on bond for domestic battery, on parole for domestic battery, and on conditional discharge for domestic battery, prosecutors say (November 29, 2021)
• #57: Man shot store clerk while on bond for felony gun case, prosecutors say (December 10, 2021)
• #58: Man opened fire on cops in traffic — while on bond for felony gun case, prosecutors say (December 13, 2021)
• #28 (again): Anti-violence worker is charged with murder and attempted murder while on felony bail. It’s the second murder he’s accused of committing while on bond. (December 15, 2021)
• #59: Convicted felon shot and killed another man while on bond for being a felon in possession of a firearm, prosecutors say (December 16, 2021)
• #60: Man shot a teenager during a drug deal — while on electronic monitoring for gun and drug cases, prosecutors say (December 18, 2021)
• #61: Felon shot and killed the mother of his children while he was on bail for possessing a stolen firearm, prosecutors say (December 21, 2021)

 

[2aguy]

No, I don't consider that to be important because they were one-off attacks. Yes, you really aren't going to be able to stop a concerted attack by an international terrorist organization. The French had a spate of these things, their intelligence agencies got better at detecting them and they haven't had any more of them since 2015.

But that's not what we are talking about. In the US, it isn't highly organized terror groups carrying out daily mass shootings.. it's disaffected losers who walk into a gun story and are able to buy military grade ordinance and bring it into a school or a theater or a shopping mall.

on a continent where grenades and fully automatic military rifles are illegal......in a country where fully automatic military rifles and grenades are illegal, in a city where fully automatic military rifles and grenades are illegal....

The criminals got fully automatic military rifles and grenades...

In fact...fully automatic military rifles are the preferred weapon of the criminals across Europe......includig Sweden.........