Democratic Party = Party of Law and Order

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Yeah just about every big city run by a democrat. Repubs have nothing to offer.

Neither do Democrats

Yet they win the elections. Repubs stand for anger, stupidity, and conspiracy theories. They will need real policy to get city votes.

Win some lose some. Let's see what happens in 2022....Point of the chart is that if you keep voting for the same party youre not holding the other party accountable. You really see the Democrats as perfect? They win because they promise free shit.

Truth over Facts

I like conservatives at the local level and often at the state level. They tend to turn into UN-American trumper Fks at the National level, these days.

Go ahead and list the reasons Trump is un-American. Until then we'll have to assume you're a TDS suffering irrational snowflake, which you are.

White says he's an independent

White is a leftist.

Kiss off, Zog. I support a strong military, standing strong before communists and dictators, the Constitution, representative democracy, the rule of law, free elections including the electoral college and a strong Israel. I do not support insulting troops, gold star families, stepping aside when in position, to allow rogue strongman nations to launch attacks on our allies, Russian meddling in our internal affairs, elections or cyber attacks on our infrastructure, banking or other governmental or political organizations. Also against people that do not honor their commitments to the country, the constitution, their oaths of office, chronic liars and whore-mongers whenever they get the itch and the wife ain't looking and bribing them to keep quiet about it, while denying they ever knew the chicks, and loudmouth assholes in general. I'm just a mom, apple pie, truth, justice and the American way kind of guy. That ain't leftest. That is straight up, centrist and Independent with an attitude. If you cannot support every single principle I stated, than your nothing but an anti-American misguided, Trumpist tool.

You voted for a dude who bribed people and used Nepotism to get his idiot son millions at the expense of Americans. You voted for a dude that has allowed a border crisis, war in the Middle East and hyper inflation. Votes matter more than words. Just saying…

I don't know who you think he bribed, but nepotism is where you hire your sons, daughter, son in law and god know what other family members with absolutely no experience in government to put them on the government payroll.
The war in the Middle East is the Palestinian terrorist attacking the Jews in Israel or is that fine with you all of a sudden? You have described yourself as "the Mighty Jew". Just call up Netanyahu to let him know you no longer support and are ready for them to be scattered to the 4 winds. I won't support you, but they are your people, not mine, and of course Biden had nothing to do with it.
Most economist do not declare hyper inflation in less than a quarter, but maybe the University I went to had it all wrong. Sure enjoyed our quarterlies. Damn shame about yours.
Votes matter, you say? Not if you are a trumper and you lose the vote. Sounds like they might be UN American sore losers A-holes, doesn't it?
Your words are weak, as even you do not believe them.

Border crisis - check
War in the ME - check
Inflation - check
Russia laughing at us as hackers shut down fuel in the East Coast - check

Truth over Facts

I have already said Biden Fkd up at the border. -Check
There war in your religious homeland, but Biden had nothing to do with it. -Check I really don't get too excited about it. They been warring there for thousands of years. Israel can handle this and will, whether anybody likes it or not. Me, I'd like to get some popcorn and watch it live, like the Gulf War. I'd subscribe to that channel.
Inflation (not necessarily good or bad depending on where you are in the game and your goals). Look at 3 quarter and get back to ya -Check
Been telling you about the Russians for a year and a half, but some of you thought, I was just a cold war hold over. Russians suck -Check
But of course Biden had nothing to do with crooked Russians, that hacked our infrastructure and trump denide ever interferring here for 5 years. Still, my real absolute standard is: Biden took over as commander of the relief on January 20th, and became responsible for his post and everything within the limits of his post. He didn't prevent it and it happened on his watch. Same as I hole Baby Bush responsible for not preventing 9/11 even with 9 months and specific warning. -Check

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

 

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Yeah just about every big city run by a democrat. Repubs have nothing to offer.

Neither do Democrats

Yet they win the elections. Repubs stand for anger, stupidity, and conspiracy theories. They will need real policy to get city votes.

Win some lose some. Let's see what happens in 2022....Point of the chart is that if you keep voting for the same party youre not holding the other party accountable. You really see the Democrats as perfect? They win because they promise free shit.

Truth over Facts

I like conservatives at the local level and often at the state level. They tend to turn into UN-American trumper Fks at the National level, these days.

Go ahead and list the reasons Trump is un-American. Until then we'll have to assume you're a TDS suffering irrational snowflake, which you are.

White says he's an independent

White is a leftist.

Kiss off, Zog. I support a strong military, standing strong before communists and dictators, the Constitution, representative democracy, the rule of law, free elections including the electoral college and a strong Israel. I do not support insulting troops, gold star families, stepping aside when in position, to allow rogue strongman nations to launch attacks on our allies, Russian meddling in our internal affairs, elections or cyber attacks on our infrastructure, banking or other governmental or political organizations. Also against people that do not honor their commitments to the country, the constitution, their oaths of office, chronic liars and whore-mongers whenever they get the itch and the wife ain't looking and bribing them to keep quiet about it, while denying they ever knew the chicks, and loudmouth assholes in general. I'm just a mom, apple pie, truth, justice and the American way kind of guy. That ain't leftest. That is straight up, centrist and Independent with an attitude. If you cannot support every single principle I stated, than your nothing but an anti-American misguided, Trumpist tool.

You voted for a dude who bribed people and used Nepotism to get his idiot son millions at the expense of Americans. You voted for a dude that has allowed a border crisis, war in the Middle East and hyper inflation. Votes matter more than words. Just saying…

I don't know who you think he bribed, but nepotism is where you hire your sons, daughter, son in law and god know what other family members with absolutely no experience in government to put them on the government payroll.
The war in the Middle East is the Palestinian terrorist attacking the Jews in Israel or is that fine with you all of a sudden? You have described yourself as "the Mighty Jew". Just call up Netanyahu to let him know you no longer support and are ready for them to be scattered to the 4 winds. I won't support you, but they are your people, not mine, and of course Biden had nothing to do with it.
Most economist do not declare hyper inflation in less than a quarter, but maybe the University I went to had it all wrong. Sure enjoyed our quarterlies. Damn shame about yours.
Votes matter, you say? Not if you are a trumper and you lose the vote. Sounds like they might be UN American sore losers A-holes, doesn't it?
Your words are weak, as even you do not believe them.

Border crisis - check
War in the ME - check
Inflation - check
Russia laughing at us as hackers shut down fuel in the East Coast - check

Truth over Facts

I have already said Biden Fkd up at the border. -Check
There war in your religious homeland, but Biden had nothing to do with it. -Check I really don't get too excited about it. They been warring there for thousands of years. Israel can handle this and will, whether anybody likes it or not. Me, I'd like to get some popcorn and watch it live, like the Gulf War. I'd subscribe to that channel.
Inflation (not necessarily good or bad depending on where you are in the game and your goals). Look at 3 quarter and get back to ya -Check
Been telling you about the Russians for a year and a half, but some of you thought, I was just a cold war hold over. Russians suck -Check
But of course Biden had nothing to do with crooked Russians, that hacked our infrastructure and trump denide ever interferring here for 5 years. Still, my real absolute standard is: Biden took over as commander of the relief on January 20th, and became responsible for his post and everything within the limits of his post. He didn't prevent it and it happened on his watch. Same as I hole Baby Bush responsible for not preventing 9/11 even with 9 months and specific warning. -Check

He supplied Hamas with $200mn that they used to buy weapons?

 

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Yeah just about every big city run by a democrat. Repubs have nothing to offer.

Neither do Democrats

Yet they win the elections. Repubs stand for anger, stupidity, and conspiracy theories. They will need real policy to get city votes.

Win some lose some. Let's see what happens in 2022....Point of the chart is that if you keep voting for the same party youre not holding the other party accountable. You really see the Democrats as perfect? They win because they promise free shit.

Truth over Facts

I like conservatives at the local level and often at the state level. They tend to turn into UN-American trumper Fks at the National level, these days.

Go ahead and list the reasons Trump is un-American. Until then we'll have to assume you're a TDS suffering irrational snowflake, which you are.

White says he's an independent

White is a leftist.

Kiss off, Zog. I support a strong military, standing strong before communists and dictators, the Constitution, representative democracy, the rule of law, free elections including the electoral college and a strong Israel. I do not support insulting troops, gold star families, stepping aside when in position, to allow rogue strongman nations to launch attacks on our allies, Russian meddling in our internal affairs, elections or cyber attacks on our infrastructure, banking or other governmental or political organizations. Also against people that do not honor their commitments to the country, the constitution, their oaths of office, chronic liars and whore-mongers whenever they get the itch and the wife ain't looking and bribing them to keep quiet about it, while denying they ever knew the chicks, and loudmouth assholes in general. I'm just a mom, apple pie, truth, justice and the American way kind of guy. That ain't leftest. That is straight up, centrist and Independent with an attitude. If you cannot support every single principle I stated, than your nothing but an anti-American misguided, Trumpist tool.

You voted for a dude who bribed people and used Nepotism to get his idiot son millions at the expense of Americans. You voted for a dude that has allowed a border crisis, war in the Middle East and hyper inflation. Votes matter more than words. Just saying…

I don't know who you think he bribed, but nepotism is where you hire your sons, daughter, son in law and god know what other family members with absolutely no experience in government to put them on the government payroll.
The war in the Middle East is the Palestinian terrorist attacking the Jews in Israel or is that fine with you all of a sudden? You have described yourself as "the Mighty Jew". Just call up Netanyahu to let him know you no longer support and are ready for them to be scattered to the 4 winds. I won't support you, but they are your people, not mine, and of course Biden had nothing to do with it.
Most economist do not declare hyper inflation in less than a quarter, but maybe the University I went to had it all wrong. Sure enjoyed our quarterlies. Damn shame about yours.
Votes matter, you say? Not if you are a trumper and you lose the vote. Sounds like they might be UN American sore losers A-holes, doesn't it?
Your words are weak, as even you do not believe them.

Border crisis - check
War in the ME - check
Inflation - check
Russia laughing at us as hackers shut down fuel in the East Coast - check

Truth over Facts

I have already said Biden Fkd up at the border. -Check
There war in your religious homeland, but Biden had nothing to do with it. -Check I really don't get too excited about it. They been warring there for thousands of years. Israel can handle this and will, whether anybody likes it or not. Me, I'd like to get some popcorn and watch it live, like the Gulf War. I'd subscribe to that channel.
Inflation (not necessarily good or bad depending on where you are in the game and your goals). Look at 3 quarter and get back to ya -Check
Been telling you about the Russians for a year and a half, but some of you thought, I was just a cold war hold over. Russians suck -Check
But of course Biden had nothing to do with crooked Russians, that hacked our infrastructure and trump denide ever interferring here for 5 years. Still, my real absolute standard is: Biden took over as commander of the relief on January 20th, and became responsible for his post and everything within the limits of his post. He didn't prevent it and it happened on his watch. Same as I hole Baby Bush responsible for not preventing 9/11 even with 9 months and specific warning. -Check

He supplied Hamas with $200mn that they used to buy weapons?

Supposedly not. Officially it was for refugee relief. We could even keep our president from raiding military construction projects to spend the money on his pet project that his congress would not fund when he had both nor when he lost the house. I have no allusions that giving money to the Palestinians was quarantined for food, sanitation and clean water, when they really wanted to buy rockets. It's a big strange game. It always has been. We've never been particularly good at it, for the leaders of the free world. Middle East always been a tangled mess. Biden will do no better, unless he gets the fk out. As much as I would like it, I would be highly surprised.

 

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Yeah just about every big city run by a democrat. Repubs have nothing to offer.

Neither do Democrats

Yet they win the elections. Repubs stand for anger, stupidity, and conspiracy theories. They will need real policy to get city votes.

Win some lose some. Let's see what happens in 2022....Point of the chart is that if you keep voting for the same party youre not holding the other party accountable. You really see the Democrats as perfect? They win because they promise free shit.

Truth over Facts

I like conservatives at the local level and often at the state level. They tend to turn into UN-American trumper Fks at the National level, these days.

Go ahead and list the reasons Trump is un-American. Until then we'll have to assume you're a TDS suffering irrational snowflake, which you are.

White says he's an independent

White is a leftist.

Kiss off, Zog. I support a strong military, standing strong before communists and dictators, the Constitution, representative democracy, the rule of law, free elections including the electoral college and a strong Israel. I do not support insulting troops, gold star families, stepping aside when in position, to allow rogue strongman nations to launch attacks on our allies, Russian meddling in our internal affairs, elections or cyber attacks on our infrastructure, banking or other governmental or political organizations. Also against people that do not honor their commitments to the country, the constitution, their oaths of office, chronic liars and whore-mongers whenever they get the itch and the wife ain't looking and bribing them to keep quiet about it, while denying they ever knew the chicks, and loudmouth assholes in general. I'm just a mom, apple pie, truth, justice and the American way kind of guy. That ain't leftest. That is straight up, centrist and Independent with an attitude. If you cannot support every single principle I stated, than your nothing but an anti-American misguided, Trumpist tool.

strong Israel. You voted against Isreal.

I do not support insulting troops. Weird how those we honor supported Trump over Xiden. You're reaching.

Stepping aside when in position, to allow rogue strongman nations to launch attacks on our allies. You mean Xiden who gave Ukraine toilet paper while Trump gave them arms? Who are you talking about, be specific, it will be fun.

Russian meddling in our internal affairs Welcome to the internet age, we do it all the time as well as other countries us. This has been going on LONG before the internet too, and it was your Demonicrats who proved to scandal with foreigners including Russia while they lied to you, and you can't let that one go anyway.

elections or cyber attacks on our infrastructure I guess that means you shouldn't have supported Xiden then.

Also against people that do not honor their commitments to the country. ILMAO, how fucking vague, you can say that about anyone.

the constitution Then why are you a leftist?

their oaths of office blah blah blah.......

chronic liars Then why support Xiden? Are you suggesting Trump, the Energizer Bunny who can't shut up is a chronic liar? You don't know what it means, fuck the guy is boldly honest most of the time, you're just a snowflake and can't take it I guess, but surely you have TDS.

whore-mongers whenever they get the itch and the wife ain't looking and bribing them to keep quiet about it, while denying they ever knew the chicks Poor baby

and loudmouth assholes in general. I like assholes, personally, when they're right. Better than dicks such as Obama.

I'm just a mom, apple pie, truth, justice and the American way kind of guy. Then why are you a leftist? You deny it but you fall for all the left's glory. I think you have CNN strapped to your ears, and more than that somehow you missed what your left has pulled over on this country four years running, and by many measures since O'bummer. You supported Obama, am I right? Clinton's too?

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

 

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Yeah just about every big city run by a democrat. Repubs have nothing to offer.

Neither do Democrats

Yet they win the elections. Repubs stand for anger, stupidity, and conspiracy theories. They will need real policy to get city votes.

Win some lose some. Let's see what happens in 2022....Point of the chart is that if you keep voting for the same party youre not holding the other party accountable. You really see the Democrats as perfect? They win because they promise free shit.

Truth over Facts

I like conservatives at the local level and often at the state level. They tend to turn into UN-American trumper Fks at the National level, these days.

Go ahead and list the reasons Trump is un-American. Until then we'll have to assume you're a TDS suffering irrational snowflake, which you are.

White says he's an independent

White is a leftist.

Kiss off, Zog. I support a strong military, standing strong before communists and dictators, the Constitution, representative democracy, the rule of law, free elections including the electoral college and a strong Israel. I do not support insulting troops, gold star families, stepping aside when in position, to allow rogue strongman nations to launch attacks on our allies, Russian meddling in our internal affairs, elections or cyber attacks on our infrastructure, banking or other governmental or political organizations. Also against people that do not honor their commitments to the country, the constitution, their oaths of office, chronic liars and whore-mongers whenever they get the itch and the wife ain't looking and bribing them to keep quiet about it, while denying they ever knew the chicks, and loudmouth assholes in general. I'm just a mom, apple pie, truth, justice and the American way kind of guy. That ain't leftest. That is straight up, centrist and Independent with an attitude. If you cannot support every single principle I stated, than your nothing but an anti-American misguided, Trumpist tool.

strong Israel. You voted against Isreal.

I do not support insulting troops. Weird how those we honor supported Trump over Xiden. You're reaching.

Stepping aside when in position, to allow rogue strongman nations to launch attacks on our allies. You mean Xiden who gave Ukraine toilet paper while Trump gave them arms? Who are you talking about, be specific, it will be fun.

Russian meddling in our internal affairs Welcome to the internet age, we do it all the time as well as other countries us. This has been going on LONG before the internet too, and it was your Demonicrats who proved to scandal with foreigners including Russia while they lied to you, and you can't let that one go anyway.

elections or cyber attacks on our infrastructure I guess that means you shouldn't have supported Xiden then.

Also against people that do not honor their commitments to the country. ILMAO, how fucking vague, you can say that about anyone.

the constitution Then why are you a leftist?

their oaths of office blah blah blah.......

chronic liars Then why support Xiden? Are you suggesting Trump, the Energizer Bunny who can't shut up is a chronic liar? You don't know what it means, fuck the guy is boldly honest most of the time, you're just a snowflake and can't take it I guess, but surely you have TDS.

whore-mongers whenever they get the itch and the wife ain't looking and bribing them to keep quiet about it, while denying they ever knew the chicks Poor baby

and loudmouth assholes in general. I like assholes, personally, when they're right. Better than dicks such as Obama.

I'm just a mom, apple pie, truth, justice and the American way kind of guy. Then why are you a leftist? You deny it but you fall for all the left's glory. I think you have CNN strapped to your ears, and more than that somehow you missed what your left has pulled over on this country four years running, and by many measures since O'bummer. You supported Obama, am I right? Clinton's too?

I was in Tennessee. We didn't have any referendums on the ballet, drama queen.

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

 

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Picture says a 1000 words.....give the other major party a chance.

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

 

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Picture says a 1000 words.....give the other major party a chance.

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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Picture says a 1000 words.....give the other major party a chance.

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

My god, for somebody who likes to insult others knowledge of economics you are pretty damn clueless. Where do I even start with that mess of a statement of yours?

considering your premise that hyper inflation is acutely caused by releasing currency into the economy your first point about people needing money is irrelevant just as your statement about Trumps Bill being bipartisan is also irrelevant. I can’t believe you doubled down on that stupidity. I would stipulate that inflation is not always the top priority which becomes apparent that you agree when you start making excuses for Trump and rationalize the need. You also dismiss the obvious and most influential factor that causes price inflation of goods. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. We have an opening economy and a depressed supply chain. A 5th grader learns how supply and demand works when they have three people fighting over the last cup at the lemonade stand. Bid that sugar water up!

The reason why Trump and now Biden invested so big with stimulus was to prevent a lasting recession or depression. That was the right move. The economic effects of a depression far out weights a spike in prices for consumer goods or even a spike in the rate of inflation. Of course there is a way to balance out the cash injection and mitigate the inflation level on a long term level. Can you say what it is?

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

My god, for somebody who likes to insult others knowledge of economics you are pretty damn clueless. Where do I even start with that mess of a statement of yours?

considering your premise that hyper inflation is acutely caused by releasing currency into the economy your first point about people needing money is irrelevant just as your statement about Trumps Bill being bipartisan is also irrelevant. I can’t believe you doubled down on that stupidity. I would stipulate that inflation is not always the top priority which becomes apparent that you agree when you start making excuses for Trump and rationalize the need. You also dismiss the obvious and most influential factor that causes price inflation of goods. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. We have an opening economy and a depressed supply chain. A 5th grader learns how supply and demand works when they have three people fighting over the last cup at the lemonade stand. Bid that sugar water up!

The reason why Trump and now Biden invested so big with stimulus was to prevent a lasting recession or depression. That was the right move. The economic effects of a depression far out weights a spike in prices for consumer goods or even a spike in the rate of inflation. Of course there is a way to balance out the cash injection and mitigate the inflation level on a long term level. Can you say what it is?

Failed small business owner, I gave you specific numbers with a concrete example. What part did you disagree with? Be specific.

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

My god, for somebody who likes to insult others knowledge of economics you are pretty damn clueless. Where do I even start with that mess of a statement of yours?

considering your premise that hyper inflation is acutely caused by releasing currency into the economy your first point about people needing money is irrelevant just as your statement about Trumps Bill being bipartisan is also irrelevant. I can’t believe you doubled down on that stupidity. I would stipulate that inflation is not always the top priority which becomes apparent that you agree when you start making excuses for Trump and rationalize the need. You also dismiss the obvious and most influential factor that causes price inflation of goods. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. We have an opening economy and a depressed supply chain. A 5th grader learns how supply and demand works when they have three people fighting over the last cup at the lemonade stand. Bid that sugar water up!

The reason why Trump and now Biden invested so big with stimulus was to prevent a lasting recession or depression. That was the right move. The economic effects of a depression far out weights a spike in prices for consumer goods or even a spike in the rate of inflation. Of course there is a way to balance out the cash injection and mitigate the inflation level on a long term level. Can you say what it is?

Failed small business owner, I gave you specific numbers with a concrete example. What part did you disagree with? Be specific.

I addressed each of your points and stated my disagreement. Youare pointing to things that have zero relevance to inflation, like “people need it” and “ the bill was bipartisan” wtf?! And you dismiss the obvious factor of supply and demand. You’re all over the board and don’t k ow what you’re talking about.

Your ice cream truck example perfectly shows supply and demand but your retarded mind thinks it’s caused by stimulus checks. Haha. Your hole of stupidity is getting deeper and deeper

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

My god, for somebody who likes to insult others knowledge of economics you are pretty damn clueless. Where do I even start with that mess of a statement of yours?

considering your premise that hyper inflation is acutely caused by releasing currency into the economy your first point about people needing money is irrelevant just as your statement about Trumps Bill being bipartisan is also irrelevant. I can’t believe you doubled down on that stupidity. I would stipulate that inflation is not always the top priority which becomes apparent that you agree when you start making excuses for Trump and rationalize the need. You also dismiss the obvious and most influential factor that causes price inflation of goods. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. We have an opening economy and a depressed supply chain. A 5th grader learns how supply and demand works when they have three people fighting over the last cup at the lemonade stand. Bid that sugar water up!

The reason why Trump and now Biden invested so big with stimulus was to prevent a lasting recession or depression. That was the right move. The economic effects of a depression far out weights a spike in prices for consumer goods or even a spike in the rate of inflation. Of course there is a way to balance out the cash injection and mitigate the inflation level on a long term level. Can you say what it is?

Failed small business owner, I gave you specific numbers with a concrete example. What part did you disagree with? Be specific.

I addressed each of your points and stated my disagreement. Youare pointing to things that have zero relevance to inflation, like “people need it” and “ the bill was bipartisan” wtf?! And you dismiss the obvious factor of supply and demand. You’re all over the board and don’t k ow what you’re talking about.

Your ice cream truck example perfectly shows supply and demand but your retarded mind thinks it’s caused by stimulus checks. Haha. Your hole of stupidity is getting deeper and deeper

It is 100% caused by more money in the system. Yes. That is what caused the hyper inflation. You’re wrong, failed small business owner.

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

My god, for somebody who likes to insult others knowledge of economics you are pretty damn clueless. Where do I even start with that mess of a statement of yours?

considering your premise that hyper inflation is acutely caused by releasing currency into the economy your first point about people needing money is irrelevant just as your statement about Trumps Bill being bipartisan is also irrelevant. I can’t believe you doubled down on that stupidity. I would stipulate that inflation is not always the top priority which becomes apparent that you agree when you start making excuses for Trump and rationalize the need. You also dismiss the obvious and most influential factor that causes price inflation of goods. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. We have an opening economy and a depressed supply chain. A 5th grader learns how supply and demand works when they have three people fighting over the last cup at the lemonade stand. Bid that sugar water up!

The reason why Trump and now Biden invested so big with stimulus was to prevent a lasting recession or depression. That was the right move. The economic effects of a depression far out weights a spike in prices for consumer goods or even a spike in the rate of inflation. Of course there is a way to balance out the cash injection and mitigate the inflation level on a long term level. Can you say what it is?

Failed small business owner, I gave you specific numbers with a concrete example. What part did you disagree with? Be specific.

I addressed each of your points and stated my disagreement. Youare pointing to things that have zero relevance to inflation, like “people need it” and “ the bill was bipartisan” wtf?! And you dismiss the obvious factor of supply and demand. You’re all over the board and don’t k ow what you’re talking about.

Your ice cream truck example perfectly shows supply and demand but your retarded mind thinks it’s caused by stimulus checks. Haha. Your hole of stupidity is getting deeper and deeper

It is 100% caused by more money in the system. Yes. That is what caused the hyper inflation. You’re wrong, failed small business owner.

I never said inflation wasn’t caused by more money. You’re in way over your head with this topic and your arrogance won’t let you admit, just as your arrogance has you presuming to know something about my past businesses which we both know you know nothing about. You’re just trolling now. Grow up. Go be a dad or do something useful. Trolling on a forum is a waste of time.

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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Picture says a 1000 words.....give the other major party a chance.

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

My god, for somebody who likes to insult others knowledge of economics you are pretty damn clueless. Where do I even start with that mess of a statement of yours?

considering your premise that hyper inflation is acutely caused by releasing currency into the economy your first point about people needing money is irrelevant just as your statement about Trumps Bill being bipartisan is also irrelevant. I can’t believe you doubled down on that stupidity. I would stipulate that inflation is not always the top priority which becomes apparent that you agree when you start making excuses for Trump and rationalize the need. You also dismiss the obvious and most influential factor that causes price inflation of goods. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. We have an opening economy and a depressed supply chain. A 5th grader learns how supply and demand works when they have three people fighting over the last cup at the lemonade stand. Bid that sugar water up!

The reason why Trump and now Biden invested so big with stimulus was to prevent a lasting recession or depression. That was the right move. The economic effects of a depression far out weights a spike in prices for consumer goods or even a spike in the rate of inflation. Of course there is a way to balance out the cash injection and mitigate the inflation level on a long term level. Can you say what it is?

Failed small business owner, I gave you specific numbers with a concrete example. What part did you disagree with? Be specific.

I addressed each of your points and stated my disagreement. Youare pointing to things that have zero relevance to inflation, like “people need it” and “ the bill was bipartisan” wtf?! And you dismiss the obvious factor of supply and demand. You’re all over the board and don’t k ow what you’re talking about.

Your ice cream truck example perfectly shows supply and demand but your retarded mind thinks it’s caused by stimulus checks. Haha. Your hole of stupidity is getting deeper and deeper

It is 100% caused by more money in the system. Yes. That is what caused the hyper inflation. You’re wrong, failed small business owner.

I never said inflation wasn’t caused by more money. You’re in way over your head with this topic and your arrogance won’t let you admit, just as your arrogance has you presuming to know something about my past businesses which we both know you know nothing about. You’re just trolling now. Grow up. Go be a dad or do something useful. Trolling on a forum is a waste of time.

How am I trolling, failed small business owner? You disagree with my premise. That is fine.

When Trump gave his bipartisan stimulus it was geared toward people who could no longer work. Restaurants were closed. Gyms were closed. PPP loans were provided to businesses. People also changed their habits. For example at my company we started working from home. Zoom calls instead of traveling. We realized that while not optimal this works very well and many companies realized that. Now people were spending less on gas, clothes, food (not going out as much) and had more disposable income and those who lost jobs got an extra $600 per week. Now a year later. These people have adjusted and are doing well. Debit card payments eclipsed credit card payments for the first time. Meanwhile Biden provides ANOTHER stimulus of $1,400 for $6,000 of debt and an additional $300 per week. This was overkill. Meanwhile we have a border crisis and fracking is reduced. With the supply of money increased further you have hyper inflation and we are seeing it now. Price of metal, wood, milk, gas, all up significantly. 18k businesses have left Cali, most in the last two years. The Fed will have to start raising rates and sharply very soon, which will cause stocks to dip.

I am not sure what you mean by troll or insulting you? It was you who said your small businesses didn't make it and now I understand why. You don't know very much about finance and economics. Shame. I asked you what you didn't like about Trump's policies and you responded with he was mean. Come on man. Who is zooming who?

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

My god, for somebody who likes to insult others knowledge of economics you are pretty damn clueless. Where do I even start with that mess of a statement of yours?

considering your premise that hyper inflation is acutely caused by releasing currency into the economy your first point about people needing money is irrelevant just as your statement about Trumps Bill being bipartisan is also irrelevant. I can’t believe you doubled down on that stupidity. I would stipulate that inflation is not always the top priority which becomes apparent that you agree when you start making excuses for Trump and rationalize the need. You also dismiss the obvious and most influential factor that causes price inflation of goods. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. We have an opening economy and a depressed supply chain. A 5th grader learns how supply and demand works when they have three people fighting over the last cup at the lemonade stand. Bid that sugar water up!

The reason why Trump and now Biden invested so big with stimulus was to prevent a lasting recession or depression. That was the right move. The economic effects of a depression far out weights a spike in prices for consumer goods or even a spike in the rate of inflation. Of course there is a way to balance out the cash injection and mitigate the inflation level on a long term level. Can you say what it is?

Failed small business owner, I gave you specific numbers with a concrete example. What part did you disagree with? Be specific.

I addressed each of your points and stated my disagreement. Youare pointing to things that have zero relevance to inflation, like “people need it” and “ the bill was bipartisan” wtf?! And you dismiss the obvious factor of supply and demand. You’re all over the board and don’t k ow what you’re talking about.

Your ice cream truck example perfectly shows supply and demand but your retarded mind thinks it’s caused by stimulus checks. Haha. Your hole of stupidity is getting deeper and deeper

It is 100% caused by more money in the system. Yes. That is what caused the hyper inflation. You’re wrong, failed small business owner.

I never said inflation wasn’t caused by more money. You’re in way over your head with this topic and your arrogance won’t let you admit, just as your arrogance has you presuming to know something about my past businesses which we both know you know nothing about. You’re just trolling now. Grow up. Go be a dad or do something useful. Trolling on a forum is a waste of time.

How am I trolling, failed small business owner? You disagree with my premise. That is fine.

When Trump gave his bipartisan stimulus it was geared toward people who could no longer work. Restaurants were closed. Gyms were closed. PPP loans were provided to businesses. People also changed their habits. For example at my company we started working from home. Zoom calls instead of traveling. We realized that while not optimal this works very well and many companies realized that. Now people were spending less on gas, clothes, food (not going out as much) and had more disposable income and those who lost jobs got an extra $600 per week. Now a year later. These people have adjusted and are doing well. Debit card payments eclipsed credit card payments for the first time. Meanwhile Biden provides ANOTHER stimulus of $1,400 for $6,000 of debt and an additional $300 per week. This was overkill. Meanwhile we have a border crisis and fracking is reduced. With the supply of money increased further you have hyper inflation and we are seeing it now. Price of metal, wood, milk, gas, all up significantly. 18k businesses have left Cali, most in the last two years. The Fed will have to start raising rates and sharply very soon, which will cause stocks to dip.

I am not sure what you mean by troll or insulting you? It was you who said your small businesses didn't make it and now I understand why. You don't know very much about finance and economics. Shame. I asked you what you didn't like about Trump's policies and you responded with he was mean. Come on man. Who is zooming who?

You’re trolling by calling me a failed small business owner over and over and over again. Why would I respect you or your opinions when you are clearly acting out like a child. I see you proceeded to write what I can only assume is another misguided and incorrect economic assessment but I’ve used up my patience with you on the day so I’m not going to read it. Sorry you wasted your energy but you get what you dish out which is an utter lack of respect and decorum

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

My god, for somebody who likes to insult others knowledge of economics you are pretty damn clueless. Where do I even start with that mess of a statement of yours?

considering your premise that hyper inflation is acutely caused by releasing currency into the economy your first point about people needing money is irrelevant just as your statement about Trumps Bill being bipartisan is also irrelevant. I can’t believe you doubled down on that stupidity. I would stipulate that inflation is not always the top priority which becomes apparent that you agree when you start making excuses for Trump and rationalize the need. You also dismiss the obvious and most influential factor that causes price inflation of goods. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. We have an opening economy and a depressed supply chain. A 5th grader learns how supply and demand works when they have three people fighting over the last cup at the lemonade stand. Bid that sugar water up!

The reason why Trump and now Biden invested so big with stimulus was to prevent a lasting recession or depression. That was the right move. The economic effects of a depression far out weights a spike in prices for consumer goods or even a spike in the rate of inflation. Of course there is a way to balance out the cash injection and mitigate the inflation level on a long term level. Can you say what it is?

Failed small business owner, I gave you specific numbers with a concrete example. What part did you disagree with? Be specific.

I addressed each of your points and stated my disagreement. Youare pointing to things that have zero relevance to inflation, like “people need it” and “ the bill was bipartisan” wtf?! And you dismiss the obvious factor of supply and demand. You’re all over the board and don’t k ow what you’re talking about.

Your ice cream truck example perfectly shows supply and demand but your retarded mind thinks it’s caused by stimulus checks. Haha. Your hole of stupidity is getting deeper and deeper

It is 100% caused by more money in the system. Yes. That is what caused the hyper inflation. You’re wrong, failed small business owner.

I never said inflation wasn’t caused by more money. You’re in way over your head with this topic and your arrogance won’t let you admit, just as your arrogance has you presuming to know something about my past businesses which we both know you know nothing about. You’re just trolling now. Grow up. Go be a dad or do something useful. Trolling on a forum is a waste of time.

How am I trolling, failed small business owner? You disagree with my premise. That is fine.

When Trump gave his bipartisan stimulus it was geared toward people who could no longer work. Restaurants were closed. Gyms were closed. PPP loans were provided to businesses. People also changed their habits. For example at my company we started working from home. Zoom calls instead of traveling. We realized that while not optimal this works very well and many companies realized that. Now people were spending less on gas, clothes, food (not going out as much) and had more disposable income and those who lost jobs got an extra $600 per week. Now a year later. These people have adjusted and are doing well. Debit card payments eclipsed credit card payments for the first time. Meanwhile Biden provides ANOTHER stimulus of $1,400 for $6,000 of debt and an additional $300 per week. This was overkill. Meanwhile we have a border crisis and fracking is reduced. With the supply of money increased further you have hyper inflation and we are seeing it now. Price of metal, wood, milk, gas, all up significantly. 18k businesses have left Cali, most in the last two years. The Fed will have to start raising rates and sharply very soon, which will cause stocks to dip.

I am not sure what you mean by troll or insulting you? It was you who said your small businesses didn't make it and now I understand why. You don't know very much about finance and economics. Shame. I asked you what you didn't like about Trump's policies and you responded with he was mean. Come on man. Who is zooming who?

You’re trolling by calling me a failed small business owner over and over and over again. Why would I respect you or your opinions when you are clearly acting out like a child. I see you proceeded to write what I can only assume is another misguided and incorrect economic assessment but I’ve used up my patience with you on the day so I’m not going to read it. Sorry you wasted your energy but you get what you dish out which is an utter lack of respect and decorum

Whatever. Can't take the heat go to your safe space

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

My god, for somebody who likes to insult others knowledge of economics you are pretty damn clueless. Where do I even start with that mess of a statement of yours?

considering your premise that hyper inflation is acutely caused by releasing currency into the economy your first point about people needing money is irrelevant just as your statement about Trumps Bill being bipartisan is also irrelevant. I can’t believe you doubled down on that stupidity. I would stipulate that inflation is not always the top priority which becomes apparent that you agree when you start making excuses for Trump and rationalize the need. You also dismiss the obvious and most influential factor that causes price inflation of goods. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. We have an opening economy and a depressed supply chain. A 5th grader learns how supply and demand works when they have three people fighting over the last cup at the lemonade stand. Bid that sugar water up!

The reason why Trump and now Biden invested so big with stimulus was to prevent a lasting recession or depression. That was the right move. The economic effects of a depression far out weights a spike in prices for consumer goods or even a spike in the rate of inflation. Of course there is a way to balance out the cash injection and mitigate the inflation level on a long term level. Can you say what it is?

Failed small business owner, I gave you specific numbers with a concrete example. What part did you disagree with? Be specific.

I addressed each of your points and stated my disagreement. Youare pointing to things that have zero relevance to inflation, like “people need it” and “ the bill was bipartisan” wtf?! And you dismiss the obvious factor of supply and demand. You’re all over the board and don’t k ow what you’re talking about.

Your ice cream truck example perfectly shows supply and demand but your retarded mind thinks it’s caused by stimulus checks. Haha. Your hole of stupidity is getting deeper and deeper

It is 100% caused by more money in the system. Yes. That is what caused the hyper inflation. You’re wrong, failed small business owner.

I never said inflation wasn’t caused by more money. You’re in way over your head with this topic and your arrogance won’t let you admit, just as your arrogance has you presuming to know something about my past businesses which we both know you know nothing about. You’re just trolling now. Grow up. Go be a dad or do something useful. Trolling on a forum is a waste of time.

How am I trolling, failed small business owner? You disagree with my premise. That is fine.

When Trump gave his bipartisan stimulus it was geared toward people who could no longer work. Restaurants were closed. Gyms were closed. PPP loans were provided to businesses. People also changed their habits. For example at my company we started working from home. Zoom calls instead of traveling. We realized that while not optimal this works very well and many companies realized that. Now people were spending less on gas, clothes, food (not going out as much) and had more disposable income and those who lost jobs got an extra $600 per week. Now a year later. These people have adjusted and are doing well. Debit card payments eclipsed credit card payments for the first time. Meanwhile Biden provides ANOTHER stimulus of $1,400 for $6,000 of debt and an additional $300 per week. This was overkill. Meanwhile we have a border crisis and fracking is reduced. With the supply of money increased further you have hyper inflation and we are seeing it now. Price of metal, wood, milk, gas, all up significantly. 18k businesses have left Cali, most in the last two years. The Fed will have to start raising rates and sharply very soon, which will cause stocks to dip.

I am not sure what you mean by troll or insulting you? It was you who said your small businesses didn't make it and now I understand why. You don't know very much about finance and economics. Shame. I asked you what you didn't like about Trump's policies and you responded with he was mean. Come on man. Who is zooming who?

You’re trolling by calling me a failed small business owner over and over and over again. Why would I respect you or your opinions when you are clearly acting out like a child. I see you proceeded to write what I can only assume is another misguided and incorrect economic assessment but I’ve used up my patience with you on the day so I’m not going to read it. Sorry you wasted your energy but you get what you dish out which is an utter lack of respect and decorum

Whatever. Can't take the heat go to your safe space

You aren’t bringing heat, you are bringing extremely poor arguments and childish insults and now it’s getting to the point of needless repetition. Not worth my time for somebody who doesn’t deserve that kind of respect

 

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. GrowWhat fscts

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The other party has had a chance since the signing of our constitution. People are free to vote for whomever they want. If you want the other party to get more votes then they need to campaign better and run better Reps

You mean give away more free shit and have the news media treat them fairly? Got it!

Not what I meant at all but I think you knew that

That is how the current Democratic Party wins elections IMO.


#1) Call Republicans rich, white, homophobic, gun carrying racists
#2) Promise Free shit
#3) Have the media reiterate #1 and #2 over and over again


What am I missing?

That’s a very common tactic. Just as the Right,
1. Calls Dems commies and says they are trying to make America a socialist country
2. Says they are coming for your guns ad liberties
3. Pretends everybody’s taxes are going to skyrocket

etc etc etc

the talking points from both sides are so tired and old.

They openly admit to high taxes and and they constantly try to go after firearms. Is that a tactic, or just accurate? You can replace 'commie' with support for larger government, but that just seems like semantics.

It’s a tactic... for example Bidens plan is to not raise taxes for anybody making less than $400k yet the tactic says Biden will raise your taxes. The gun control measures are for background checks, and a select few variety of weapons yet the tactic says they are going to take your guns away. It’s extremely dishonest but also not hard to see right through

Do you really think Biden's plan won't hit people under 400k? Historically, is that what happens? As for guns, there are many members of congress who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment saying it only pertained to militias. The middle class always gets taxed more, and getting rid of guns seems to be on the democrat wish list.

If you made a smart argument on how Bidens tax policy would indirectly effect lower income people then you be making a fair point worthy of debate, but the mindless talking points tell people that Biden is going to raise your taxes when his plans have very directly said that he will not raise taxes on people earning less than $400K a year. As for guns, you are now talking about outliers in congress which you then paint as the left coming for your guns. Thats not an honest argument. This is why I call all this nonsense rhetoric a tactic that really only trolls and mindless partisans fall for.

Inflation is in essence a tax on everyone. You really don’t understand basic finance and economics. You’re as ignorant as rightwinger who tries to mask his stupidity with constant attempts at humor.

Haha, inflation is in essence a tax so it’s cool to say that Biden will raise your taxes?! That’s just stupidity.

His policies have caused hyper inflation.

How so?

Printing of money, no more gas independence, intent to charge income tax rates vs capital gains tax rates on M&A deals.

How much money has he printed and spent?

I am not playing this game. Google it.

It’s not a game. You’re making claims without knowing the facts. If you think Biden has caused hyper inflation by overspending then tell me how much he has spent.... approximately

His stimulus package you fuckhead. The one he pushed and got zero GOP support.

Yes understood... the one that the reps opposed because the funds from the previous bills hadn’t even been spent yet. So I’ll ask again how much has Biden spent from his stimulus that has flooded the market and caused hyper inflation in the course of a month or two? Please be specific and show that you know what you’re talking about because it really doesn’t appear like you do.

$300 per month per unemployed person is how much? Billions

You’re saying that paying unemployed people $300 per month over a 3 month period has caused massive hyper inflation?! You really gonna stand behind that?

It is a part of it. I have explained this to you dozens of times. More money circulating and you have inflation. Look at commodities pricing.

I understand the conditions that cause inflation, I’m challenging the blame you are putting on Biden for it. He has been in office for like 3 months. We both know it’s idiotic to think he triggered a hyper inflation from a bill that he signed two months ago. They haven’t even spent the funds from the previous stimulus bills. That was one of the republicans objections to the most recent bill. So if you want to play the partisan presidential blame game you could say that Trump caused the current state of inflation and Bidens new plans are only going to make it worse. That would be a fair argument. But I’m going to pick on you for the way you are attributing blame and selective explanations you use to justify it. You aren’t considering many obvious explanations like supply chain problems and a rapidly opening economy

He sponsored the bill for the $1.9Tn. Read the article.

You’re not connecting the dots and we both know why.

I am 100%. That bill was stupid. Halting fracking was stupid. Border policy is stupid. Allowing Russians to hack us without repercussions is stupid. Sending money to Palestinians was stupid.

Sort of a pattern there.

Yes I get that you think Biden is mentally ill and his policies stupid. Reading you loud and clear. But when you make ignorant claims like blaming him for gas prices that surged due to a hacked pipeline and hyperinflation two months after he passed his first spending Bill, well, then you just sounds like you don’t know what your talking about.

How fast should it move? Honest question. Prices may change overnight. It happens. Do you disagree with anything that I said was stupid?

Yes prices can change overnight depending on events. Lets say Biden shut down a pipeline like he did with Keystone, but it was an active pipeline that halted the delivery of oil and effected supply, that could trigger a massive spike in prices. Just like we saw happen when this other pipeline got hacked. But that spike was due to a hack not due to Bidens policy. There is a case to be made about the ultimate effects of many of his policies. But to ignorantly say that he is causing what's happening right now... Hyper inflation because he funded $300 payments to people who were unemployed for two months... Thats just stupid. Did Trump cause twice as much hyper inflation with the $600 payments they did when he was prez? No. Lets get real

You don’t understand basic finance and economics. It’s OK

School me on it then. Show me that what I'm saying is wrong or explain the claims you make. You dismissing the conversation just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

I linked an article. Don’t be lazy. Read it.

I did read it and it is just as pointless and lazy as your posts. Its just a partisan hit piece that repeats talking points and lacks details. They say Biden is responsible for the increased inflation because he flooded the market with money it didn't need. No link, no reference to anything... How much money has been flooded in these two months? I've been trying to ask you. The best you've done is point to two months of $300 a month payments to unemployed people... that is not going to move the market into hyper inflation.

$1.9trn was the package. $1,400 checks went out. $300 per month extra unemployment. Gas prices up $1 per gallon or more in many areas compared to the same period last year. What additional details would you like? Be specific. 85% of our goods are still transported via trucks so the increase in fuel costs will be pushed to the consumer. Inflation happens very quickly and we are seeing it now.

Again, how much more detail would you like? Do you think the war in the Middle East will have a positive or negative impact on gas prices? What about the terror attack on the pipeline?

When was the last time you filled up? I just Paid $3.10 per gallon or about $1.10 more than I paid about six months ago. Hmmmmm…

I would like to know how you link it all together. If you are going to attribute blame then show the cause and effect. The $1400 checks and $300 a month don't flood the market with cash and cause hyper inflation in a two month period. Once that money cycles through the economy for a while and it ends up in the accounts of the wealthy then they start buying and investing and that drives up the prices. You could make that point and it would be a good one. This is why taxing the wealthy is a balancing factor against inflation. Gas prices are going up because the economy is opening and people are traveling more. You had a suppressed industry that just gained a surge of demand... A spike in prices is expected as they ramp up supply and then pricing will balance out. You say I don't understand economics yet here I am explaining how it all works while you link partisan attack articles with no substance and fail to explain the points you make or even provide counter arguments. Do better.

You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes. Used car prices are up nearly 10%. So you’re wrong again. That was a stupid and unnecessary stimulus. You enjoy your $1400 though. This explains why your small businesses failed.

Ok so Biden did $1400 checks and $300 a month unemployment and that triggered hyperinflation which caused used cars to go up 10% in a matter of two months. Sounds simple enough. So when Trumps did his two stimulus plans of $1200 and $600 checks plus $600 a month for unemployment how much hyperinflation did that trigger and how much did the used cars go up?

That was different. It was a bi-partisan bill and the world was shut down. So people weren't buying used cars. People were ordering online. Many lost their jobs and there was a massive unknown and still I thought that stimulus was over the top. Biden did his when the economy was recovering nicely and those monies and additional unemployment benefits were not necessary and that bill was 100% partisan. If Trump did the same btw, I would be trashing him too.

Oh look how all of a sudden when it comes to Trumps plan you have all the context and situational analysis ready to go. Give me a great. A bipartisan bill has nothing to do with economic impact. You are making the point that when you increase the money supply you cause hyper inflation. Remember? "You don’t understand basic economics and finance. Actually all that cash does cause hyper inflation. When the supply of money is that much greater people buy a lot more goods and hence the price of goods spikes." Those are your words.... So Trump increased the money supply more than Biden yet it is Biden who is responsible for all the stuff we are seeing in two short months after he signed his bill. A bill I might add that was proposed and passed not during a roaring economy but during a rocky reentry with high viral infections deaths and unemployment numbers. You're all over the place man, but I commend you for trying.

You’re wrong hence your small businesses fail.

Haha, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing though you're obviously in over your head. Let me know when you're ready to talk substance and actually respond to the topic instead of ignorant and childish insults about things like my past businesses that you know absolutely nothing about.

Failed business owner. I gave You numbers. You ignored them. I deal with persons like you frequently. You will keep failing.

You know absolutely nothing about my businesses current or past but its amusing that you think you do. Explains why you are so arrogant and wrong with many of these political discussions. You got major blinders on. I have worked for myself for the past 18 years. Supported myself without ever needing a W2 or a hand out. I own a house and split my time between two states and have enough free time to volunteer 4-5 hours a day to coach a high school golf team for the Fall and Spring seasons. I'm pretty damn happy with the life I've made and consider it a success but with much room to improve. You can call me a failure if you want but we both know you don't know shit about me. You just got schooled on economics so I understand you need to lash out. Its not a great reflection of character or integrity but I haven't come to expect too much from you.

OK but you failed as you admitted and now I can see why. You don’t understand basic economics and lash out at those who do.

Whatever you say bucko... I guess anything to avoid addressing the points I made which you clearly can’t refute. Back to your troll den. Youve become useless on this topic

You are the one dismissing the facts I gave you. Small business downer. LOL.

I haven’t dismissed a thing. I’m the only one using facts and staying on topic here. You’re outgunned and resorting to name calling. Grow up

Youre asking questions and dismissing my answers. Typical failed business owner.

Point to an answer of yours that I dismissed and I’ll happily address it directly. You know you’re toast on this topic, hence the shift to the troll language. Prove me wrong

That the $300 per month per person and the $1400 checks cause hyper inflation almost immediately. I can explain how but you’re stupid and poor business owner.

Releasing money into an economy can cause inflation, absolutely, I’m not denying that. But I’m just curious why Trumps $1800 Checks and $600 a month didn’t cause hyper inflation but Bidens did. Last time I asked you listed bipartisanship as a reason. Haha. Want to give a better answer ?

Because businesses were closed and people were scared and did not know how long the lockdowns would last. Hence many used the money for rent or savings or both. In this case the economy was more open. Ice cream trucks are back out and about but people are still getting an extra $1200 per month and that’s millions. They are now buying a lot more goods. Look at retail sales.

For example the aforementioned ice cream truck instead of having 1000 customers per day now has 3000. He can easily raise prices and those getting an extra $1200 per month on top of generic unemployment can easily afford that as well as sneakers, etc. Voila you have inflation and very quickly. Top that of with the price of gas increasing by approximately 33% and that is another markup on goods. Under Trump gas prices remained low if you recall.

Again, I now Understand why you’re a failed small business owner. Don’t forget Trumps stimulus was bipartisan this one was 100% partisan.

My god, for somebody who likes to insult others knowledge of economics you are pretty damn clueless. Where do I even start with that mess of a statement of yours?

considering your premise that hyper inflation is acutely caused by releasing currency into the economy your first point about people needing money is irrelevant just as your statement about Trumps Bill being bipartisan is also irrelevant. I can’t believe you doubled down on that stupidity. I would stipulate that inflation is not always the top priority which becomes apparent that you agree when you start making excuses for Trump and rationalize the need. You also dismiss the obvious and most influential factor that causes price inflation of goods. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. We have an opening economy and a depressed supply chain. A 5th grader learns how supply and demand works when they have three people fighting over the last cup at the lemonade stand. Bid that sugar water up!

The reason why Trump and now Biden invested so big with stimulus was to prevent a lasting recession or depression. That was the right move. The economic effects of a depression far out weights a spike in prices for consumer goods or even a spike in the rate of inflation. Of course there is a way to balance out the cash injection and mitigate the inflation level on a long term level. Can you say what it is?

Failed small business owner, I gave you specific numbers with a concrete example. What part did you disagree with? Be specific.

I addressed each of your points and stated my disagreement. Youare pointing to things that have zero relevance to inflation, like “people need it” and “ the bill was bipartisan” wtf?! And you dismiss the obvious factor of supply and demand. You’re all over the board and don’t k ow what you’re talking about.

Your ice cream truck example perfectly shows supply and demand but your retarded mind thinks it’s caused by stimulus checks. Haha. Your hole of stupidity is getting deeper and deeper

It is 100% caused by more money in the system. Yes. That is what caused the hyper inflation. You’re wrong, failed small business owner.

I never said inflation wasn’t caused by more money. You’re in way over your head with this topic and your arrogance won’t let you admit, just as your arrogance has you presuming to know something about my past businesses which we both know you know nothing about. You’re just trolling now. Grow up. Go be a dad or do something useful. Trolling on a forum is a waste of time.

How am I trolling, failed small business owner? You disagree with my premise. That is fine.

When Trump gave his bipartisan stimulus it was geared toward people who could no longer work. Restaurants were closed. Gyms were closed. PPP loans were provided to businesses. People also changed their habits. For example at my company we started working from home. Zoom calls instead of traveling. We realized that while not optimal this works very well and many companies realized that. Now people were spending less on gas, clothes, food (not going out as much) and had more disposable income and those who lost jobs got an extra $600 per week. Now a year later. These people have adjusted and are doing well. Debit card payments eclipsed credit card payments for the first time. Meanwhile Biden provides ANOTHER stimulus of $1,400 for $6,000 of debt and an additional $300 per week. This was overkill. Meanwhile we have a border crisis and fracking is reduced. With the supply of money increased further you have hyper inflation and we are seeing it now. Price of metal, wood, milk, gas, all up significantly. 18k businesses have left Cali, most in the last two years. The Fed will have to start raising rates and sharply very soon, which will cause stocks to dip.

I am not sure what you mean by troll or insulting you? It was you who said your small businesses didn't make it and now I understand why. You don't know very much about finance and economics. Shame. I asked you what you didn't like about Trump's policies and you responded with he was mean. Come on man. Who is zooming who?

You’re trolling by calling me a failed small business owner over and over and over again. Why would I respect you or your opinions when you are clearly acting out like a child. I see you proceeded to write what I can only assume is another misguided and incorrect economic assessment but I’ve used up my patience with you on the day so I’m not going to read it. Sorry you wasted your energy but you get what you dish out which is an utter lack of respect and decorum

Whatever. Can't take the heat go to your safe space

You aren’t bringing heat, you are bringing extremely poor arguments and childish insults and now it’s getting to the point of needless repetition. Not worth my time for somebody who doesn’t deserve that kind of respect

Cry me a river. Feel free to stop responding.