Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

[saveliberty]

Well, since we said the pledge for 62 years without "under GOD" and have only been saying it for 56 years with "under GOD," I'd say that, based on those numbers, it's more "American" without "under GOD."

That makes as much sense as anything else...

Some around here are fond of saying we need to progress. Looks like 56 years ago we did. The courts say we still can. Some of you have God issues. Work them out without stepping on my Constitutional rights. Thanks.

how are your rights being stepped on?

seems to me that the constitutional rights of Americans who do not believe in god are being stepped on.

millions of atheists would probably LOVE to recite the pledge of allegiance to America in its' original NON-religious form.

the answer is obvious.

remove "under god"
it does NOT belong in a pledge to America.

A lack of understanding of your Constitutional rights is not my problem. You might want to try this at the next pledge. I'll say it the current way and you can say it the old way. We will both honor our country and respect how each other said the pledge.

I am not restricting your freedom, but people like you have restricted mine. I cannot pray out loud in a school for example. You can drop the injured party act any time.

 

[froggy]

Some around here are fond of saying we need to progress. Looks like 56 years ago we did. The courts say we still can. Some of you have God issues. Work them out without stepping on my Constitutional rights. Thanks.

how are your rights being stepped on?

seems to me that the constitutional rights of Americans who do not believe in god are being stepped on.

millions of atheists would probably LOVE to recite the pledge of allegiance to America in its' original NON-religious form.

the answer is obvious.

remove "under god"
it does NOT belong in a pledge to America.

A lack of understanding of your Constitutional rights is not my problem. You might want to try this at the next pledge. I'll say it the current way and you can say it the old way. We will both honor our country and respect how each other said the pledge.

I am not restricting your freedom, but people like you have restricted mine. I cannot pray out loud in a school for example. You can drop the injured party act any time.

That what is needed just have the kids while changing class pray out loud, see what a change would come.

 

[uscitizen]

how are your rights being stepped on?

seems to me that the constitutional rights of Americans who do not believe in god are being stepped on.

millions of atheists would probably LOVE to recite the pledge of allegiance to America in its' original NON-religious form.

the answer is obvious.

remove "under god"
it does NOT belong in a pledge to America.

A lack of understanding of your Constitutional rights is not my problem. You might want to try this at the next pledge. I'll say it the current way and you can say it the old way. We will both honor our country and respect how each other said the pledge.

I am not restricting your freedom, but people like you have restricted mine. I cannot pray out loud in a school for example. You can drop the injured party act any time.

That what is needed just have the kids while changing class pray out loud, see what a change would come.

I hope they have thick skins.

 

[froggy]

A lack of understanding of your Constitutional rights is not my problem. You might want to try this at the next pledge. I'll say it the current way and you can say it the old way. We will both honor our country and respect how each other said the pledge.

I am not restricting your freedom, but people like you have restricted mine. I cannot pray out loud in a school for example. You can drop the injured party act any time.

That what is needed just have the kids while changing class pray out loud, see what a change would come.

I hope they have thick skins.

I think if it came down to it, there'd be more praying than not.

 

[uscitizen]

That what is needed just have the kids while changing class pray out loud, see what a change would come.

I hope they have thick skins.

I think if it came down to it, there'd be more praying than not.

It would depend on which clique started the praying.
The nerd clique? not so much.
The cool jocks and chicks? Well most everyone would be praying from peer pressure.

 

[saveliberty]

A lack of understanding of your Constitutional rights is not my problem. You might want to try this at the next pledge. I'll say it the current way and you can say it the old way. We will both honor our country and respect how each other said the pledge.

I am not restricting your freedom, but people like you have restricted mine. I cannot pray out loud in a school for example. You can drop the injured party act any time.

That what is needed just have the kids while changing class pray out loud, see what a change would come.

I hope they have thick skins.

They already do have thick skins. They have to put up with censorship.

 

[Xenophon]

So, they finally told Newdow he doesn't have standing.

That ends his court challenges.

 

[froggy]

So, they finally told Newdow he doesn't have standing.

That ends his court challenges.

Hurray

 

[Bfgrn]

This should piss the so-called athiest off.

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments on Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who claimed the references to God disrespect his religious beliefs.

"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."


The Facts

Yea...SOCIALISM!!!

Right wing patriotism...socialism, statism, conformity and collectivism...

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.


Bellamy's original Pledge read:

"I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."


Under God Added in 1954
Louis A. Bowman (1872-1959) was the first to initiate the addition of "under God" to the Pledge in 1948. In 1951, the Knights of Columbus, the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization, in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. The final successful push came from George MacPherson Docherty, a Scottish-born American Presbyterian minister. Eisenhower signed the bill into law on Flag Day, June 14, 1954


The Bellamy Salute

An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on June 22, 1942.
wiki

 

[saveliberty]

This should piss the so-called athiest off.

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments on Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who claimed the references to God disrespect his religious beliefs.

"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."


The Facts

Yea...SOCIALISM!!!

Right wing patriotism...socialism, statism, conformity and collectivism...

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.


Bellamy's original Pledge read:

"I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."


Under God Added in 1954
Louis A. Bowman (1872-1959) was the first to initiate the addition of "under God" to the Pledge in 1948. In 1951, the Knights of Columbus, the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization, in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. The final successful push came from George MacPherson Docherty, a Scottish-born American Presbyterian minister. Eisenhower signed the bill into law on Flag Day, June 14, 1954


The Bellamy Salute

An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on June 22, 1942.
wiki

So...Bellamy made several mistakes and Congress corrected them. Thanks for the info.

 

[Contumacious]

This should piss the so-called athiest off.

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments on Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who claimed the references to God disrespect his religious beliefs.

"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."


The Facts

The 9th Circuit is wrong and ought to be reversed.

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[Lonestar_logic]

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to "recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.



Given under my hand, at the city of New York, the 3d day of October, A.D. 1789.

George Washington - Thanksgiving Proclamation

Source: The Massachusetts Centinel, Wednesday, October 14, 1789

 

[Modbert]

So...Bellamy made several mistakes and Congress corrected them. Thanks for the info.

Mistakes? HE wrote it. It's subjective whether you think he made a mistake or not. What a ridiculous comment to make.

 

[saveliberty]

So...Bellamy made several mistakes and Congress corrected them. Thanks for the info.

Mistakes? HE wrote it. It's subjective whether you think he made a mistake or not. What a ridiculous comment to make.

Yep, he made mistakes. Left out some key phrases and put in a bad salute. Everything written is perfection? The author never makes an error? Good luck defending your position.

 

[uscitizen]

The Methodist hymnals from a past church had "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" in it.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Some around here are fond of saying we need to progress. Looks like 56 years ago we did. The courts say we still can. Some of you have God issues. Work them out without stepping on my Constitutional rights. Thanks.

how are your rights being stepped on?

seems to me that the constitutional rights of Americans who do not believe in god are being stepped on.

millions of atheists would probably LOVE to recite the pledge of allegiance to America in its' original NON-religious form.

the answer is obvious.

remove "under god"
it does NOT belong in a pledge to America.

A lack of understanding of your Constitutional rights is not my problem. You might want to try this at the next pledge. I'll say it the current way and you can say it the old way. We will both honor our country and respect how each other said the pledge.

I am not restricting your freedom, but people like you have restricted mine. I cannot pray out loud in a school for example. You can drop the injured party act any time.

wow, way to not answer the question

 

[saveliberty]

how are your rights being stepped on?

seems to me that the constitutional rights of Americans who do not believe in god are being stepped on.

millions of atheists would probably LOVE to recite the pledge of allegiance to America in its' original NON-religious form.

the answer is obvious.

remove "under god"
it does NOT belong in a pledge to America.

A lack of understanding of your Constitutional rights is not my problem. You might want to try this at the next pledge. I'll say it the current way and you can say it the old way. We will both honor our country and respect how each other said the pledge.

I am not restricting your freedom, but people like you have restricted mine. I cannot pray out loud in a school for example. You can drop the injured party act any time.

wow, way to not answer the question

Way to not understand what the question was. Poster shadowing is a good way to learn how to post better. Welcome.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Interesting posts.

How is that Atheists scream bloody murder over anything and everything religious because it imposes something horrendous on their civil rights and liberties, screws up their life, angers them, etc., ...

but they NEVER consider that trying on every level to eradicate religion altogether in this country imposes their will on the civil rights, liberties, etc. of people who do practice religion?

Because nobody's trying on every level to eradicate religion altogether in this country.

If you don't want to believe in God or go to church, fine. But don't try to destroy the ability of those who find comfort in believing in God and/or going to church.

Who's trying to prevent you from going to Church? The only times I've heard of anyone doing any such thing where when White Christians tried to keep Blacks from attending church and (much more recently) when Christians threw a fit over people wanting to build and attend a mosque.

But don't let reality get in the way of a good rant.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Wasn't that the reason the Pilgrims left (well, technically they were forced out, but people don't like to talk about that)- you know, the whole Anglican church/Crown connection?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The 9th Circuit is wrong and ought to be reversed.

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It usually is and it usually does.