Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

[☭proletarian☭]

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God,

-and the inferiority of the negroe.

to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor;

-personally

and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to "recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

In direct violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution of these united States

Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being

And hereby violate the aforementioned Constitution, rendering my ruling and my claim to my position null and void

 

[Maple]

I have a friend that says he is an atheist. He told me one time "With my hand on the bible, I swear to God that I'm an atheist!"

That's a good one.

 

[Dr Gregg]

A lack of understanding of your Constitutional rights is not my problem. You might want to try this at the next pledge. I'll say it the current way and you can say it the old way. We will both honor our country and respect how each other said the pledge.

I am not restricting your freedom, but people like you have restricted mine. I cannot pray out loud in a school for example. You can drop the injured party act any time.

wow, way to not answer the question

Way to not understand what the question was. Poster shadowing is a good way to learn how to post better. Welcome.

Your example is bullshit, you are free to pray out loud all you want, the school just can't sanction it. You can't disrupt class so you can go pray in between classes. but you are not even in school, so your example is yet another bullshit attempt to make an argument, and its pretty bad.

Frankly, you must be pretty patheticif you feel the need to have to go around praying out loud to let everybody know you are praying and how much faith you have, like anybody else cares. ISn't prayer supposed to be a private thing between you and god?

 

[Maple]

Well, since we said the pledge for 62 years without "under GOD" and have only been saying it for 56 years with "under GOD," I'd say that, based on those numbers, it's more "American" without "under GOD."

That makes as much sense as anything else...

Some around here are fond of saying we need to progress. Looks like 56 years ago we did. The courts say we still can. Some of you have God issues. Work them out without stepping on my Constitutional rights. Thanks.

how are your rights being stepped on?

seems to me that the constitutional rights of Americans who do not believe in god are being stepped on.

millions of atheists would probably LOVE to recite the pledge of allegiance to America in its' original NON-religious form.

the answer is obvious.

remove "under god"
it does NOT belong in a pledge to America.

It's your right to say it without using under God, but it is my right to say under God. Get it now??

 

[saveliberty]

wow, way to not answer the question

Way to not understand what the question was. Poster shadowing is a good way to learn how to post better. Welcome.

Your example is bullshit, you are free to pray out loud all you want, the school just can't sanction it. You can't disrupt class so you can go pray in between classes. but you are not even in school, so your example is yet another bullshit attempt to make an argument, and its pretty bad.

Frankly, you must be pretty patheticif you feel the need to have to go around praying out loud to let everybody know you are praying and how much faith you have, like anybody else cares. ISn't prayer supposed to be a private thing between you and god?

Sometimes people pray in a group out loud. Folks like you want it to be private. Since I am not ashamed of my relationship with God, praying out loud is a form of public praise to God as well. Prayer serves many purposes. Once again, you fail to understand a topic.

 

[froggy]

Whether you say it or not they need to quit trying to take the word God out of america.

 

[DiamondDave]

The difference between an atheist and the religious is the atheist doesn't need threats of eternal torture to make them tell the truth. They have integrity. Just sayin'.

So when are you going to start??

Still waiting for you to either post the factual data supporting your claims, or you admission that you pulled shit out of your ass
http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...o-lesbian-couple-attending-5.html#post2085015

Man, I posted so many links. I can't help it if you're too stupid to read any of them. What is wrong with you? And if I WAS wrong on anything I posted, where was your "evidence" proving ME wrong? Just saying "liar" doesn't prove anything.

I said Christians are "moral" and you say "prove it"? You're nuts. Prove they aren't.

Posting links to random shit is not inherently supporting the specific claims you made.... you need to provide the factual data that supports your assertion that lesbians are among the 'smarter students' and that 'moral Christians' are lesser educated

Don't try and change around exactly what you claimed.. I have it bookmarked, asswipe

We already had you dead to rights with your made up numbers on the dropout rate

I'm still waiting

 

[uscitizen]

I have a friend that says he is an atheist. He told me one time "With my hand on the bible, I swear to God that I'm an atheist!"

That's a good one.

I did that once for the witness stand. Well not swear that I was an atheist though, just to tell the truth.
I told them sure I would but it meant no more to me than swearing on a copy of the Wizard of OZ.

It seemed to frost their gonads.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Way to not understand what the question was. Poster shadowing is a good way to learn how to post better. Welcome.

Your example is bullshit, you are free to pray out loud all you want, the school just can't sanction it. You can't disrupt class so you can go pray in between classes. but you are not even in school, so your example is yet another bullshit attempt to make an argument, and its pretty bad.

Frankly, you must be pretty patheticif you feel the need to have to go around praying out loud to let everybody know you are praying and how much faith you have, like anybody else cares. ISn't prayer supposed to be a private thing between you and god?

Sometimes people pray in a group out loud. Folks like you want it to be private. Since I am not ashamed of my relationship with God, praying out loud is a form of public praise to God as well. Prayer serves many purposes. Once again, you fail to understand a topic.

You say it, yet you have not shown how your right to pray are being violated? YOu can pray at school, out loud, just on your own time, and not sanctioned by the schools. You are the one either failing to comprehend, or refusing to acknowledge that.

Your answer has nothing to do with my main response, in that you can still pray out loud in school, you are just trying to dodge the fact I've shown you wrong about your rights to pray in school not being taken away

 

[☭proletarian☭]

 

[froggy]

what about korea, vietnam, iraq, what soldiers did there oooh well.

 

[uscitizen]

is God young female hot and horny?
If so I would not mind being under God.

 

[uscitizen]

what about korea, vietnam, iraq, what soldiers did there oooh well.

yeah and what I did there....

 

[Foxfyre]

Says the idiot claiming that parroting a pledge written by a socialist that originally made no mention of God is what makes one an American

No you misquoter, i said the pledge was made better when "under God" was added. And if your claiming to be American, you should uphold american values and quit running it down.

How so? Adding two words that mean vastly differant things to differant people?

I said the pledge when there was no "under God" in it. Until I got used to saying "under God" after it was added, it seemed awkward because I was so used to it the other way. Being a person of faith even as a child though, either way I always had to resist saying "amen" after reciting the Pledge. In other words, adding "under God" didn't really change much for me. Other children I am sure felt something entirely different when we faced the flag, put our hands over our hearts, and recited the pledge every morning.

And I don't think a single one of us or any other child who learned and recited the Pledge was inspired to be a fanatical zealot or revolutionary. No theocracy developed in the school, in the community, in the county, in the state, or in the nation. Respect for one's flag, pride in one's country, appreciation for the fundamental values that both stand for, are good things for school children to learn. For anybody to learn.

The Founders didn't write the pledge. But they believed that our Constitution was designed to protect God given rights. They didn't presume to define who or what "God" was and left that up to every man's conscience. And THAT is what the phrase in the Pledge is intended to convey as well as all other references to God in our national artwork, slogans, symbolism, etc.

Every citizen is 100% free, with no fear of retaliation or any other consequences, to believe about it what they wish.

So, for the life of me, I can't see how it is so offensive or threatening to some.

 

[froggy]

what about korea, vietnam, iraq, what soldiers did there oooh well.

yeah and what I did there....

Flashback

 

[bodecea]

Some around here are fond of saying we need to progress. Looks like 56 years ago we did. The courts say we still can. Some of you have God issues. Work them out without stepping on my Constitutional rights. Thanks.

how are your rights being stepped on?

seems to me that the constitutional rights of Americans who do not believe in god are being stepped on.

millions of atheists would probably LOVE to recite the pledge of allegiance to America in its' original NON-religious form.

the answer is obvious.

remove "under god"
it does NOT belong in a pledge to America.

It's your right to say it without using under God, but it is my right to say under God. Get it now??

I agree with that and said that I and most people I know skip the "under God" part already....and if you continue to read the first couple of pages, I was called UnAmerican for doing so.......by another so-called grown up. Can you imagine the pressure kids are under at school to conform?

 

[Coyote]

If you didn't like the letter E would you not use it. If its American, and you claim to be American, then live like An American.

Well, since we said the pledge for 62 years without "under GOD" and have only been saying it for 56 years with "under GOD," I'd say that, based on those numbers, it's more "American" without "under GOD."

That makes as much sense as anything else...

Some around here are fond of saying we need to progress. Looks like 56 years ago we did. The courts say we still can. Some of you have God issues. Work them out without stepping on my Constitutional rights. Thanks.

What about stepping on my Constitutional rights?

 

[froggy]

how are your rights being stepped on?

seems to me that the constitutional rights of Americans who do not believe in god are being stepped on.

millions of atheists would probably LOVE to recite the pledge of allegiance to America in its' original NON-religious form.

the answer is obvious.

remove "under god"
it does NOT belong in a pledge to America.

It's your right to say it without using under God, but it is my right to say under God. Get it now??

I agree with that and said that I and most people I know skip the "under God" part already....and if you continue to read the first couple of pages, I was called UnAmerican for doing so.......by another so-called grown up. Can you imagine the pressure kids are under at school to conform?

Kids are under more pressure from their piers than grown ups, they'd rather fit in with their piers.

 

[uscitizen]

It's your right to say it without using under God, but it is my right to say under God. Get it now??

I agree with that and said that I and most people I know skip the "under God" part already....and if you continue to read the first couple of pages, I was called UnAmerican for doing so.......by another so-called grown up. Can you imagine the pressure kids are under at school to conform?

Kids are under more pressure from their piers than grown ups, they'd rather fit in with their piers.

Yep somewhere in early teens parents suddenly know nothing and the bobby kid down the street knows everything.

they recover in 10 years or so if they don't start watching Fox.

 

[Foxfyre]

how are your rights being stepped on?

seems to me that the constitutional rights of Americans who do not believe in god are being stepped on.

millions of atheists would probably LOVE to recite the pledge of allegiance to America in its' original NON-religious form.

the answer is obvious.

remove "under god"
it does NOT belong in a pledge to America.

It's your right to say it without using under God, but it is my right to say under God. Get it now??

I agree with that and said that I and most people I know skip the "under God" part already....and if you continue to read the first couple of pages, I was called UnAmerican for doing so.......by another so-called grown up. Can you imagine the pressure kids are under at school to conform?

You bet I put incredible pressure on my kids to conform to the tradition, to exercise respect and good manners, and to understand the underlying concepts of the Pledge itself as well as the other basics of history. I have never put pressure on them as to what they had to think or believe about anything.

Personally, I think those who deny their children an opportunity to learn about spiritual things, matters of faith, and what part those played in creating the greatest nation the world has ever known, do them a great disservice.

But that's just me.