Countries The U.S. "Regime Changed" - Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/Syria Are Chaotic Messes

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good points

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Speaking of fucking things up....Syria. Obama had a chance early in the uprising against Assad to support the secular muslims and Christians in Syria, but he did nothing so now they are being attacked by Assad and Islamic terrorists in a civil war that has killed thousands. Again...Obama fucked up like usual.

Christians in Syria support Assad you knucklehead. My god how uninformed are you about everything?

. Since the Syrian protests began in mid-March, as many as 850 people have died and thousands have been arrested, according to the United Nations last week. Like protesters in other parts of the Arab world, Syrians are demanding political and economic reforms and protesting against corruption, economic inequality, and totalitarian rule.

But the country’s Christian community, which makes up less than 10 percent of the population, is reportedly hoping that al-Assad will stay in power. Reuters reported that Syrian Christians fear that a political change will result in them losing their religious freedom; al-Assad ruled with an iron fist but religious minorities have been able practice their faith.

“Definitely the Christians in Syria support Bashar al-Assad. They hope that this storm will not spread,” said Yohana Ibrahim, the Syriac Orthodox Archbishop of Aleppo, to Reuters.

Syria Christians Support Embattled President; Obama Sanctions al-Assad By Ethan Cole May 18, 2011 | 3:45 pm

Syria Christians Support Embattled President; Obama Sanctions al-Assad

 

[paulitician]

I often wonder about what the reaction would be by American Citizens if several Nations decided it was time for 'Regime Change' in the U.S. I guess one could easily predict what that reaction would be. So why do so many Americans think it's perfectly acceptable for their Government to demand 'Regime Change' all over the World? It's pretty bizarre.

 

[1776]

Get back to eating shit and get off the internet, I'm not even going to waste my time educating a piece of shit like you.

Uh....we did nothing in Syria, idiot.

Actually the US did little to support the rebels. The Saudis were the main suppliers and supporters of the rebels. Obama did force Putin and Assad to give up 1300 Tons of chemical weapons and they were removed from the war zone by the deadline that was set at the end of last year. And that is a very good accomplishment for the security in that region.

Iraq was going down the right path until Obama took office and neglected it by pulling out all US forces.

That is false on both points. Iraq had no 'right path' because the reason for invading Iraq was based on Bush's March 17, 2003 lie that he had intelligence that left no doubt that Iraq was hiding the most lethal weapons ever devised from the UN inspectors at that time. That was a lie.

By the start of 2008 Al Qaeada was driven out of Iraq by the Sunni tribal leaders and their fighters who were paid by American taxpayers so a lower level of violence set in during 2008. However that calm was not firmly set in place by the Shiite dominated government as American Forces withdrew based upon the timeline that Bush agreed upon at the end of 2008.

Bush signed the 2011 deadline for US troops to be gone and that is on him. Obama pulled the US forces out in accordance with the Bush SOFA that he negotiated and signed in 2008.

That is a fact that cannot be denied.

Libya is all Obama's fuck up.

Not even close. Obama along with our NATO allies enforced a UN Security Council Resolution that was passed to stop Gadhafi from killing tens of thousands in Benghazi and other cities and towns.

Obama has made Afghanistan a bigger mess after taking over DC.

That is an outright clueless misunderstanding of reality not supported by any basis in facts or observations of the situation on the ground in Afghanistan or in that region for the past 13 Years. Its nuts.

 

[Silhouette]

Countries The U.S. "Regime Changed" - Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/Syria Are Chaotic Messes

Whereas "regime changed" = attempted to overthrow leadership and entire cultures in order to insert US puppet governments dedicated to funneling cheaper and a steady supply of oil to large corporations in the US and Britain who wanted to enjoy a sweet profit margin and control the oil so they no longer had to pay what the arabs were asking and shrink their margins to placate US consumers.

Everyone knows this was the case. It's like we're talking about the old stale elephant in the living room as if it wasn't there.

 

[1776]

asswip....one fucking op-ed that found a small group of Christians supporting Assad "now" over the Islamic terrorists is not the same as when the uprising first started.

Speaking of fucking things up....Syria. Obama had a chance early in the uprising against Assad to support the secular muslims and Christians in Syria, but he did nothing so now they are being attacked by Assad and Islamic terrorists in a civil war that has killed thousands. Again...Obama fucked up like usual.

Christians in Syria support Assad you knucklehead. My god how uninformed are you about everything?

. Since the Syrian protests began in mid-March, as many as 850 people have died and thousands have been arrested, according to the United Nations last week. Like protesters in other parts of the Arab world, Syrians are demanding political and economic reforms and protesting against corruption, economic inequality, and totalitarian rule.

But the country’s Christian community, which makes up less than 10 percent of the population, is reportedly hoping that al-Assad will stay in power. Reuters reported that Syrian Christians fear that a political change will result in them losing their religious freedom; al-Assad ruled with an iron fist but religious minorities have been able practice their faith.

“Definitely the Christians in Syria support Bashar al-Assad. They hope that this storm will not spread,” said Yohana Ibrahim, the Syriac Orthodox Archbishop of Aleppo, to Reuters.

Syria Christians Support Embattled President; Obama Sanctions al-Assad By Ethan Cole May 18, 2011 | 3:45 pm

Syria Christians Support Embattled President; Obama Sanctions al-Assad

 

[Silhouette]

I often wonder about what the reaction would be by American Citizens if several Nations decided it was time for 'Regime Change' in the U.S. I guess one could easily predict what that reaction would be. So why do so many Americans think it's perfectly acceptable for their Government to demand 'Regime Change' all over the World? It's pretty bizarre.

That and a thousand other hypocritical stances my country makes in the name of industry-giants.

Agreed.

And then we sit scratching our heads why nobody wants to be our allies and why everyone is so mad at us. We're the playground bully who goes around socking everyone in the nose who has a cool lunch that we want, we snatch it away from them and leave them bleeding. Then we wonder why nobody wants to play with us and why suddenly a group of our victims are glomming together to try to retaliate [Al Qaida etc.].

It isn't a big mystery when you boil it down to its basic mechanics.

 

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cawk gobbler [MENTION=45621]1776[/MENTION]

Why don't you ever supply any links? What did you say you used to do that gave you "insider-knowledge" as to foreign affairs? If it was "The Company, thats laughable because they miss virtually every paradigm shift of the last 50+ years

 

[1776]

You now have another cocksucker in this thread to make you feel important.

Two idiots convincing each other you are smart.

cawk gobbler [MENTION=45621]1776[/MENTION]

Why don't you ever supply any links? What did you say you used to do that gave you "insider-knowledge" as to foreign affairs? If it was "The Company, thats laughable because they miss virtually every paradigm shift of the last 50+ years

 

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[MENTION=45621]1776[/MENTION] and his opinions

PUT UP (sources) OR SHUT UP CUM STAIN

 

[whutTHEYsay]

asswip....one fucking op-ed that found a small group of Christians supporting Assad "now" over the Islamic terrorists is not the same as when the uprising first started.

Speaking of fucking things up....Syria. Obama had a chance early in the uprising against Assad to support the secular muslims and Christians in Syria, but he did nothing so now they are being attacked by Assad and Islamic terrorists in a civil war that has killed thousands. Again...Obama fucked up like usual.

Christians in Syria support Assad you knucklehead. My god how uninformed are you about everything?

. Since the Syrian protests began in mid-March, as many as 850 people have died and thousands have been arrested, according to the United Nations last week. Like protesters in other parts of the Arab world, Syrians are demanding political and economic reforms and protesting against corruption, economic inequality, and totalitarian rule.

But the country’s Christian community, which makes up less than 10 percent of the population, is reportedly hoping that al-Assad will stay in power. Reuters reported that Syrian Christians fear that a political change will result in them losing their religious freedom; al-Assad ruled with an iron fist but religious minorities have been able practice their faith.

“Definitely the Christians in Syria support Bashar al-Assad. They hope that this storm will not spread,” said Yohana Ibrahim, the Syriac Orthodox Archbishop of Aleppo, to Reuters.

Syria Christians Support Embattled President; Obama Sanctions al-Assad By Ethan Cole May 18, 2011 | 3:45 pm

Syria Christians Support Embattled President; Obama Sanctions al-Assad

That's not an OP-ED and its not 'now' - it was 2011 when the conflict started. Have you no concept of reality and what year this is? You don't know what you are talking about and all the ignoranced based curse words won't cover your ignorance on these issues up.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

ALL OF THE COUNTRIES WHICH THE U.S. “REGIME CHANGED” – IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN. SYRIA, AND LIBYA – HAVE DESCENDED INTO BRUTAL CHAOS
Quantifying the Effects of Regime Change


Since 2001, the U.S. has undertaken regime change in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya.

All 4 countries are now in chaos … and extremists are more in control than ever.

Iraq

In Iraq, hardcore Islamic jihadis known as ISIS have taken over much of the country – shown in red as the new “Islamic State” or self-described caliphate – using captured American weapons:

Christians are being rounded up and killed, and Christian leaders in Iraq say the end of Christianity in Iraq is “very near”. But as we documented in 2012, Saddam Hussein – for all his faults – was a secular leader who tolerated Christians.

Libya

Libya has also descended into absolute chaos. We reported in 2012:

Al Qaeda is now largely in control of Libya. Indeed, Al Qaeda flags were flown over the Benghazi courthouse once Gaddafi was toppled.
(This is – again – in contrast to toleration of Christians under Gadaffi.)

The Guardian noted in March:

According to Amnesty International, the “mounting curbs on freedom of expression are threatening the rights Libyans sought to gain“. A repressive Gaddafi-era law has been amended to criminalise any insults to officials or the general national congress (the interim parliament). One journalist, Amara al-Khattabi, was put on trial for alleging corruption among judges. Satellite television stations deemed critical of the authorities have been banned, one station has been attacked with rocket-propelled grenades, and journalists have been assassinated.

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Ever since the fall of [Gadaffi's] dictatorship, there have been stories of black Libyans being treated en masse as Gaddafi loyalists and attacked. In a savage act of collective punishment, 35,000 people were driven out of Tawergha in retaliation for the brutal siege of the anti-Gaddafi stronghold of Misrata. The town was trashed and its inhabitants have been left in what human rights organisations are calling “deplorable conditions” in a Tripoli refugee camp. Such forced removals continue elsewhere. Thousands have been arbitrarily detained without any pretence of due process; and judges, prosecutors, lawyers and witnesses have been attacked or even killed. Libya’s first post-Gaddafi prosecutor general, Abdulaziz Al-Hassadi, was assassinated in the town of Derna last month.

When residents of Benghazi – the heartland of the revolution – protested against militia rule in June last year, 32 people were killed in what became known as “Black Saturday”. In another protest in Tripoli last November, 46 died and 500 were injured.

Under militia rule, Libya is beginning to disintegrate. Last summer forces under the command of the warlord Ibrahim Jadran took control of eastern oil terminals …. These forces which hijacked a oil tanker this month, prompting threats from Libya’s prime minister that it would be bombed until US forces captured it this weekend. Clashes have broken out in Jadran’s home town of Ajdabiya. In painful echoes of Iraq’s nightmare, a car bomb exploded at a Benghazi military base last week and killed at least eight soldiers, and Libya’s main airport was shut on Friday after a bomb exploded on its runway...

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Given the predictable outcome of US interventions, one can only conclude the chaos was by design. And not surprisingly, we then sell arms and materials to which ever side we hate least.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Reminded of a bit from "The Sum of All Fears"

"One more thing.
Let no man call us crazy.
They called Hitler crazy, but Hitler
wasn't crazy. He was stupid.
You don't fight Russia and America.
You get Russia and America
to fight each other
and destroy each other."

To secure middle east oil supplies, you don't invade and take them over, you get them to fight one another...

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Get back to eating shit and get off the internet, I'm not even going to waste my time educating a piece of shit like you.

There's an example of the number one all time excuse that ignoramuses about all politically driven facts use when they are confronted by the reality of truth facts and reason which upset their hate and fear held world view.

Number One excuse to run away 'not going to waste time' dealing with facts.

 

[1776]

Asswipe it is a waste of my time explaining this shit to you, the latest dumbfuck on this board.

You are an inbred pile of shit that has no job and lives in your parent's basement.

Shut the fuck up about what goes on outside your dark room.

Get back to eating shit and get off the internet, I'm not even going to waste my time educating a piece of shit like you.

There's an example of the number one all time excuse that ignoramuses about all politically driven facts use when they are confronted by the reality of truth facts and reason which upset their hate and fear held world view.

Number One excuse to run away 'not going to waste time' dealing with facts.

 

[1776]

The dumbfucks believe Obama has nothing to do with ISIS/ISIL terrorizing people in Syria and Iraq, Iran slowly building nuclear weapons during "more talks," Afghanistan getting worse with Obama setting escape plan deadlines like Iraq, Libya turning into Afghanistan on the MED, muslims in Nigeria running wild and killing thousands, etc......

 

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^ link? [MENTION=45621]1776[/MENTION]

You sure do blather on w/ a lot of unsubstantiated opinions :yawn:

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Even Rand Paul knows the truth about Syria's Christians. Its a disgrace that 1776 had no idea whats going on in that part of the world:

Christina Wilkie 09/01/13 12:06 PM ET
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WASHINGTON - Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Sunday portrayed the current conflict in Syria as one between the government of President Bashar Al Assad, who Paul said "has protected Christians for a number of decades," and "Islamic rebels," who Paul said "have been attacking Christians" and are aligned with Al Qaeda.

"I think the Islamic rebels winning is a bad idea for the Christians, and all of a sudden we'll have another Islamic state where Christians are persecuted," Paul said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Rand Paul: Assad 'Protected Christians' in Syria, Rebels 'Attacking Christians'

Rand Paul: Assad 'Protected Christians' in Syria, Rebels 'Attacking Christians' (VIDEO)

 

[1776]

Shitstain....Assad aligning with Christians against radical muslims now with a mutual threat in ISIS/ISIL doesn't change the FACT that Obama fucked up not supporting the secular muslims and Christians early in the civil war before the radical Islamic groups showed up on the scene to kill everyone that isn't like them.

ISIL/ISIS has battled other MUSLIM militias that are also fighting Assad, because those other muslim militias think ISIS/ISIL is a nutjob version of their religion.

You are the typical shit-eating idiot that has no clue about what you are babbling about here.

Even Rand Paul knows the truth about Syria's Christians. Its a disgrace that 1776 had no idea whats going on in that part of the world:

Christina Wilkie 09/01/13 12:06 PM ET
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WASHINGTON - Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Sunday portrayed the current conflict in Syria as one between the government of President Bashar Al Assad, who Paul said "has protected Christians for a number of decades," and "Islamic rebels," who Paul said "have been attacking Christians" and are aligned with Al Qaeda.

"I think the Islamic rebels winning is a bad idea for the Christians, and all of a sudden we'll have another Islamic state where Christians are persecuted," Paul said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Rand Paul: Assad 'Protected Christians' in Syria, Rebels 'Attacking Christians'

Rand Paul: Assad 'Protected Christians' in Syria, Rebels 'Attacking Christians' (VIDEO)

 

[BillyP]

The dumbfucks believe Obama has nothing to do with ISIS/ISIL terrorizing people in Syria and Iraq, Iran slowly building nuclear weapons during "more talks," Afghanistan getting worse with Obama setting escape plan deadlines like Iraq, Libya turning into Afghanistan on the MED, muslims in Nigeria running wild and killing thousands, etc......

Nobody gives a shit except you that Arabs are killing each other in Syria and Iraq. Iran is more likely to nuke Saudi Arabia, than Israel. So still, all good. And Libya, well, nobody ever gave a shit about them, still don't. Nigeria? They're a fucking waste of fresh air, kinda like you. You fucking blowhard imbecile.