Colorado baker told to bake that cake

[Harpy Eagle]

Cake is simply a human construct. So walking out with an empty box is actually a cake.

And that human construct has certain elements that must be present for it to be a cake. And empty box does not qualify.

A car is a human construct but that does not mean that your computer is a car.

You truly lack any logic skills at all.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You miss the point. The Aztecs didn't sacrifice willing subjects, they sacrificed their enemies. In fact the reason why the other tribes joined the Spanish was that they were sick of the Aztecs killing them en masse.

So if I am exempt from laws that offend my religion, I should be totally able to sacrifice my boss to the Winged Serpent!



nope. Because they weren't suing Philips personally, they were suing Masterpiece Cakeshop, Ltd. A business entity. Businesses aren't people, my friend. (To paraphrase Mitt Romney).



Not relevant.



Except that there's no popular will to change the law.



Nope. There's no difference at all. The only difference is a religion has gotten to the point where it is established and respected. Koresh was molesting kids, but so was the Catholic Church, and I didn't see anyone storming St. Marks.



If you want to go by what the bible says, you need to stone any of your neighbors who work on Sunday.


Then he needs to go find something else to do for a living.

How about this….if a couple walks in to his bakery and asks him to make a cake for a satanic themed wedding, using satanic symbols and phrases, is he required to bake that cake?

 

[HeyNorm]

And that human construct has certain elements that must be present for it to be a cake. And empty box does not qualify.

A car is a human construct but that does not mean that your computer is a car.

You truly lack any logic skills at all.

The box identifies as a cake and you have no right to question it!

Also seems appropriate

 

[mak2]

What if I decide I do not bake cakes for a group of people, can I refuse to sell another group of people gas for their car or real estate? That is really what this is all about, wether you realize it or not. No body really cares about selling any certain variety of sinners cakes or gluttons would have to go on a diet to get cakes from a bakery. They just want to make discrimination legal and acceptable.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The box identifies as a cake and you have no right to question it!

Also seems appropriate

You truly lack any logic skills at all.

 

[HeyNorm]

You truly lack any logic skills at all.

Mine is flawless

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What if I decide I do not bake cakes for a group of people, can I refuse to sell another group of people gas for their car or real estate? That is really what this is all about, wether you realize it or not. No body really cares about selling any certain variety of sinners cakes or gluttons would have to go on a diet to get cakes from a bakery. They just want to make discrimination legal and acceptable.

Plumbers should be able to ask for marriage certificates before working on a house to ensure the occupants are not living in sin

 

[mak2]

Plumbers should be able to ask for marriage certificates before working on a house to ensure the occupants are not living in sin

Exactly. Where would it end?

 

[toobfreak]

His defence is the ridiculous religous freedom

You mean the one GUARANTEED by our Constitution?

one that he used to deny a gay couple a cake a few yesrs ago.

No one was ever denied a cake. The baker simply declined baking one AT HIS STORE and they had 150 other bakeries in the city they could go to.

It seems that a common link in these bigot cases

Yes, you prove yourself a bigot in your every post.

is well funded extremist laawyers.

Nothing more extreme than the U.S. Constitution! Oh the horror of the freedom to live and choose as you wish without little commie fascists like you trying to ruin other people's lives.

These bigots never refuse cakes for adulterers or criminals or people who eat shellfish.

And neither do you. Adulterers and criminals don't walk into your store announcing their crimes.

They make me sick to my stomach.

Hopefully it was from eating a piece of bad cake.

 

[HeyNorm]

Plumbers should be able to ask for marriage certificates before working on a house to ensure the occupants are not living in sin

What does this have to do with sin?

Btw: marriage certificates don’t identify sexualities.

 

[ThisIsMe]

What if I decide I do not bake cakes for a group of people, can I refuse to sell another group of people gas for their car or real estate? That is really what this is all about, wether you realize it or not. No body really cares about selling any certain variety of sinners cakes or gluttons would have to go on a diet to get cakes from a bakery. They just want to make discrimination legal and acceptable.

Again, it’s not about not selling items to a certain group of people, he has never refused a group of people as far as I know, he just refused to work for a specific ceremony.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What does this have to do with sin?

 

[ThisIsMe]

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Plumbers should be able to ask for marriage certificates before working on a house to ensure the occupants are not living in sin

That’s not even the same thing. The plumber wouldn’t be working in service of that sin, he’d be just fixing their pipes. It’s exactly the same thing with Phillips. He didn’t refuse to work for a gay couple, he refused to work for a gay wedding.

He should be easily exposed for his anti gay business practices by finding all the gay people who have been denied cakes for birthdays, retirement parties, etc…

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The plumber wouldn’t be working in service of that sin, he’d be just fixing their pipes

But doing so would show approval of their sin. Why should the plumber have to do that?

 

[ThisIsMe]

But doing so would show approval of their sin. Why should the plumber have to do that?

How would it show approval of their sin. The pipes in their house have nothing to do with their being gay.

 

[HeyNorm]

Huh, I’m a uniter, not a divider. And the most progressive poster on this thread.

 

[Chillicothe]

Easy, one is a product offered in a non discriminatory way.
The other is a product not offered, also in a non discriminatory way.

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Whew!!! That helps. Now we know.
Per Norm, we now have a definitive way to determine which cake is which. Thankfully. We were so worried we would mis-identify.

Per Norm:

• On the Left is: A product not offered in a non discriminatory way.
• On the Right is: A product offered in a non-discriminatory way.

How could we ever mistake which is which?*



*Hopefully, the assistant doesn't mix 'em up in the shop's display case. And hopefully, the gay couple wanting to get married won't come in and pick the one on the right.

THAT.....would be a Christianist scandal if there ever was one. Hellfire damnation soon to follow. Not for the happy couple.....but for the baker. Norm said so.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How would it show approval of their sin. The pipes in their house have nothing to do with their being gay.

I was talking about two people not married living together.

But a cake has nothing to do with them being gay either, yet here we are. Making a cake for a wedding does not in any way show support for the wedding.

 

[HeyNorm]

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Whew!!! That helps. Now we know.
Per Norm, we now have a definitive way to determine which cake is which. Thankfully. We were so worried we would mis-identify.

Per Norm:

• On the Left is: A product not offered in a non discriminatory way.
• On the Right is: A product offered in a non-discriminatory way.

How could we ever mistake which is which?*



*Hopefully, the assistant doesn't mix 'em up in the shop's display case. And hopefully, the gay couple wanting to get married won't come in and pick the one on the right.

THAT.....would be a Christianist scandal if there ever was one. Hellfire damnation soon to follow. Not for the happy couple.....but for the baker. Norm said so.

Easy, one is a cake, and the other identifies as a pie.

 

[dblack]

The problem is, whenever I hear a wingnut talk about "rights" or "Freedoms" they usually mean the ability of those with wealth and privilege to oppress those without it. they certainly don't mean a woman being able to practice the birth control of her choice or gays to marry who they want.

I hear you. And agree. And whenever I hear wingnuts talk about "equity" or "class" they usually mean government decides who gets what (socialism). They certainly don't mean equal rights or freedom.

I have no use for "wingnuts", on either side of your stupid pissing match.

Quite the contrary, we can't have civilization without order.

Agreed. I'm not advocating "disorder".

But libertarian children think civilization happens without taxes, laws, and rules.

Uh. Nope. Your fantasies are getting away from you. Libertarians aren't anarchists. But they won't tolerate the level of government power and intrusion that you seem to want.

Actually, most people support the rights of gays to get services.

What the **** is the right to "get" a service? What you really mean is that others should be forced to give them services, right?

Most Americans oppose businesses refusing to serve gay people: Reuters/Ipsos poll

Nearly three quarters of U.S. adults believe that businesses should not have the right on religious grounds to deny services to customers based on their sexual orientation, a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Monday showed.

www.reuters.com

Yes, and I'm one of those Americans.

I also oppose reality TV. But I'm not advocating for laws to ban it.