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Cake is simply a human construct. So walking out with an empty box is actually a cake.
How about this….if a couple walks in to his bakery and asks him to make a cake for a satanic themed wedding, using satanic symbols and phrases, is he required to bake that cake?You miss the point. The Aztecs didn't sacrifice willing subjects, they sacrificed their enemies. In fact the reason why the other tribes joined the Spanish was that they were sick of the Aztecs killing them en masse.
So if I am exempt from laws that offend my religion, I should be totally able to sacrifice my boss to the Winged Serpent!
nope. Because they weren't suing Philips personally, they were suing Masterpiece Cakeshop, Ltd. A business entity. Businesses aren't people, my friend. (To paraphrase Mitt Romney).
Not relevant.
Except that there's no popular will to change the law.
Nope. There's no difference at all. The only difference is a religion has gotten to the point where it is established and respected. Koresh was molesting kids, but so was the Catholic Church, and I didn't see anyone storming St. Marks.
If you want to go by what the bible says, you need to stone any of your neighbors who work on Sunday.
Then he needs to go find something else to do for a living.
And that human construct has certain elements that must be present for it to be a cake. And empty box does not qualify.
A car is a human construct but that does not mean that your computer is a car.
You truly lack any logic skills at all.
The box identifies as a cake and you have no right to question it!
Also seems appropriate
You truly lack any logic skills at all.
What if I decide I do not bake cakes for a group of people, can I refuse to sell another group of people gas for their car or real estate? That is really what this is all about, wether you realize it or not. No body really cares about selling any certain variety of sinners cakes or gluttons would have to go on a diet to get cakes from a bakery. They just want to make discrimination legal and acceptable.
Exactly. Where would it end?Plumbers should be able to ask for marriage certificates before working on a house to ensure the occupants are not living in sin
You mean the one GUARANTEED by our Constitution?His defence is the ridiculous religous freedom
No one was ever denied a cake. The baker simply declined baking one AT HIS STORE and they had 150 other bakeries in the city they could go to.one that he used to deny a gay couple a cake a few yesrs ago.
Yes, you prove yourself a bigot in your every post.It seems that a common link in these bigot cases
Nothing more extreme than the U.S. Constitution! Oh the horror of the freedom to live and choose as you wish without little commie fascists like you trying to ruin other people's lives.is well funded extremist laawyers.
And neither do you. Adulterers and criminals don't walk into your store announcing their crimes.These bigots never refuse cakes for adulterers or criminals or people who eat shellfish.
Hopefully it was from eating a piece of bad cake.They make me sick to my stomach.
Plumbers should be able to ask for marriage certificates before working on a house to ensure the occupants are not living in sin
Again, it’s not about not selling items to a certain group of people, he has never refused a group of people as far as I know, he just refused to work for a specific ceremony.What if I decide I do not bake cakes for a group of people, can I refuse to sell another group of people gas for their car or real estate? That is really what this is all about, wether you realize it or not. No body really cares about selling any certain variety of sinners cakes or gluttons would have to go on a diet to get cakes from a bakery. They just want to make discrimination legal and acceptable.
That’s not even the same thing. The plumber wouldn’t be working in service of that sin, he’d be just fixing their pipes. It’s exactly the same thing with Phillips. He didn’t refuse to work for a gay couple, he refused to work for a gay wedding.Plumbers should be able to ask for marriage certificates before working on a house to ensure the occupants are not living in sin
The plumber wouldn’t be working in service of that sin, he’d be just fixing their pipes
How would it show approval of their sin. The pipes in their house have nothing to do with their being gay.But doing so would show approval of their sin. Why should the plumber have to do that?
Huh, I’m a uniter, not a divider. And the most progressive poster on this thread.
-------------------------------------------------------------------Easy, one is a product offered in a non discriminatory way.
The other is a product not offered, also in a non discriminatory way.
How would it show approval of their sin. The pipes in their house have nothing to do with their being gay.
Easy, one is a cake, and the other identifies as a pie.-------------------------------------------------------------------
Whew!!! That helps. Now we know.
Per Norm, we now have a definitive way to determine which cake is which. Thankfully. We were so worried we would mis-identify.
Per Norm:
- On the Left is: A product not offered in a non discriminatory way.
- On the Right is: A product offered in a non-discriminatory way.
How could we ever mistake which is which?*
*Hopefully, the assistant doesn't mix 'em up in the shop's display case. And hopefully, the gay couple wanting to get married won't come in and pick the one on the right.
THAT.....would be a Christianist scandal if there ever was one. Hellfire damnation soon to follow. Not for the happy couple.....but for the baker. Norm said so.
I hear you. And agree. And whenever I hear wingnuts talk about "equity" or "class" they usually mean government decides who gets what (socialism). They certainly don't mean equal rights or freedom.The problem is, whenever I hear a wingnut talk about "rights" or "Freedoms" they usually mean the ability of those with wealth and privilege to oppress those without it. they certainly don't mean a woman being able to practice the birth control of her choice or gays to marry who they want.
Agreed. I'm not advocating "disorder".Quite the contrary, we can't have civilization without order.
Uh. Nope. Your fantasies are getting away from you. Libertarians aren't anarchists. But they won't tolerate the level of government power and intrusion that you seem to want.But libertarian children think civilization happens without taxes, laws, and rules.
What the fuck is the right to "get" a service? What you really mean is that others should be forced to give them services, right?Actually, most people support the rights of gays to get services.
Yes, and I'm one of those Americans.
Most Americans oppose businesses refusing to serve gay people: Reuters/Ipsos poll
Nearly three quarters of U.S. adults believe that businesses should not have the right on religious grounds to deny services to customers based on their sexual orientation, a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Monday showed.www.reuters.com
