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Climate Change Affecting Polar Regions Worse.

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Climate change is happening much faster at the polar regions. But why?




Credit here to Richard Crim: (no link, copy and paste)


Because of the axial tilt of the planet, both poles get less energy than the equatorial zone. In fact, both poles actually radiate more energy during their winter phase than they take in during the summer phase.

The poles are the planetary "radiators" of the heat engine that is the Earth.

So, 88% of the energy from the Sun the earth absorbs starts in the equatorial zone. This creates a big temperature difference between the equatorial zone and the polar zones.

Heat flows from hot spots to cold spots. The heat moves from the equatorial zones to the polar zones. It keeps doing this until it reaches an equilibrium. A balance between inflow and outflow of heat.

This is the "bottom line" spot for measuring the Earth’s temperature. It's the point where you can literally see how the planet's heat budget totals up.

If the ice is thicker on a year to year basis - the planet is cooling.

If the ice is thinner on a year to year basis - the planet is warning.

It's the sum of all things in the Earth’s climate system.

Now, think about this.

Why does your car's radiator get hot when you run the engine?

If the heat was going out of the radiator just as fast as it was coming in, it wouldn't get hotter. It's gets hotter because the heat comes in faster than it can go out of the system.

It gets hotter because the heat builds up. That's what's happening in the polar regions of the planet. Heat is coming in faster than the earth can shed it and so it's building up fast.

It will keep building up until a new equilibrium is reached between the equatorial zone and the polar zones.

The paleoclimate evidence suggests that the last time CO2 levels were at 400ppm the equatorial zone was 4C hotter. The polar zones were about 15C hotter.

Birch and Aspen forests were growing in Antarctica and sea level was 76 feet higher.

That's what's going to happen in the far north. After all the trees burn.
 

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Arctic Amplification ... we've known for decades ...
 

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the poles are the planetary "radiators" of the heat engine that is the Earth.

So, 88% of the energy from the Sun the earth absorbs starts in the equatorial zone. This creates a big temperature difference between the equatorial zone and the polar zones.

Heat flows from hot spots to cold spots. The heat moves from the equatorial zones to the polar zones. It keeps doing this until it reaches an equilibrium. A balance between inflow and outflow of heat.

Ummm......if the heat is moving from the equatorial zones.....they are the "radiators", not the poles.
 

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Climate change is happening much faster at the polar regions. But why?




Credit here to Richard Crim: (no link, copy and paste)


Because of the axial tilt of the planet, both poles get less energy than the equatorial zone. In fact, both poles actually radiate more energy during their winter phase than they take in during the summer phase.

The poles are the planetary "radiators" of the heat engine that is the Earth.

So, 88% of the energy from the Sun the earth absorbs starts in the equatorial zone. This creates a big temperature difference between the equatorial zone and the polar zones.

Heat flows from hot spots to cold spots. The heat moves from the equatorial zones to the polar zones. It keeps doing this until it reaches an equilibrium. A balance between inflow and outflow of heat.

This is the "bottom line" spot for measuring the Earth’s temperature. It's the point where you can literally see how the planet's heat budget totals up.

If the ice is thicker on a year to year basis - the planet is cooling.

If the ice is thinner on a year to year basis - the planet is warning.

It's the sum of all things in the Earth’s climate system.

Now, think about this.

Why does your car's radiator get hot when you run the engine?

If the heat was going out of the radiator just as fast as it was coming in, it wouldn't get hotter. It's gets hotter because the heat comes in faster than it can go out of the system.

It gets hotter because the heat builds up. That's what's happening in the polar regions of the planet. Heat is coming in faster than the earth can shed it and so it's building up fast.

It will keep building up until a new equilibrium is reached between the equatorial zone and the polar zones.

The paleoclimate evidence suggests that the last time CO2 levels were at 400ppm the equatorial zone was 4C hotter. The polar zones were about 15C hotter.

Birch and Aspen forests were growing in Antarctica and sea level was 76 feet higher.

That's what's going to happen in the far north. After all the trees burn.
The Antarctic Ice Shelf added record amounts of ice for three consecutive years, 2013-15. Very odd for a planet supposedly experiencing global warming.
 

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Ummm......if the heat is moving from the equatorial zones.....they are the "radiators", not the poles.

The temperature in space is -225ºC ... in the shade ... so every square inch of Earth's surface is warmer, thus radiating energy into space ... we also have a temperature drop across the Earth's surface ... and energy convects from the equator to the poles ... not radiate ...
 

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Arctic Amplification ... we've known for decades ...
Yet ... decade after decade ... remain Climate Change deniers ...

Torturers of logic ... folks who make it their business to genuinely not care about future generations ...

We're gonna burn this whole house down! ...

Right Frank? Todd? Reiny? SStupidDD
 

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Yet ... decade after decade ... remain Climate Change deniers ...

Torturers of logic ... folks who make it their business to genuinely not care about future generations ...

We're gonna burn this whole house down! ...

Right Frank? Todd? Reiny? SStupidDD

Yeah, if we don't build more windmills, we'll all die.
 

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Yet ... decade after decade ... remain Climate Change deniers ...

Torturers of logic ... folks who make it their business to genuinely not care about future generations ...

We're gonna burn this whole house down! ...

Right Frank? Todd? Reiny? SStupidDD
They celebrate their ignorance.
 

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They celebrate their ignorance.

Yet you can't say where all the missing carbon dioxide is ... over half man's emissions into the the atmosphere disappears within a year ...

... like magic ...

I may not know where it is, but at least I know it's missing ... and NOT increasing the greenhouse effect ... where do you stand, Mr. Smarty? ... btw, what's your mathematical definition of the greenhouse effect ... no, not the Alarmist spew, but the hard math ... c'mon, you call people ignorant, let's see how smart you really are ...
 

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Climate change is happening much faster at the polar regions. But why?




Credit here to Richard Crim: (no link, copy and paste)


Because of the axial tilt of the planet, both poles get less energy than the equatorial zone. In fact, both poles actually radiate more energy during their winter phase than they take in during the summer phase.

The poles are the planetary "radiators" of the heat engine that is the Earth.

So, 88% of the energy from the Sun the earth absorbs starts in the equatorial zone. This creates a big temperature difference between the equatorial zone and the polar zones.

Heat flows from hot spots to cold spots. The heat moves from the equatorial zones to the polar zones. It keeps doing this until it reaches an equilibrium. A balance between inflow and outflow of heat.

This is the "bottom line" spot for measuring the Earth’s temperature. It's the point where you can literally see how the planet's heat budget totals up.

If the ice is thicker on a year to year basis - the planet is cooling.

If the ice is thinner on a year to year basis - the planet is warning.

It's the sum of all things in the Earth’s climate system.

Now, think about this.

Why does your car's radiator get hot when you run the engine?

If the heat was going out of the radiator just as fast as it was coming in, it wouldn't get hotter. It's gets hotter because the heat comes in faster than it can go out of the system.

It gets hotter because the heat builds up. That's what's happening in the polar regions of the planet. Heat is coming in faster than the earth can shed it and so it's building up fast.

It will keep building up until a new equilibrium is reached between the equatorial zone and the polar zones.

The paleoclimate evidence suggests that the last time CO2 levels were at 400ppm the equatorial zone was 4C hotter. The polar zones were about 15C hotter.

Birch and Aspen forests were growing in Antarctica and sea level was 76 feet higher.

That's what's going to happen in the far north. After all the trees burn.
That's not new news, dummy. It's quite normal.

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Yet ... decade after decade ... remain Climate Change deniers ...

Torturers of logic ... folks who make it their business to genuinely not care about future generations ...

We're gonna burn this whole house down! ...

Right Frank? Todd? Reiny? SStupidDD
Within 30 years everything you believe about climate change will be proven wrong by colder temperatures. It's only a matter of time. Of course by then you will be arguing you knew it all along.
 

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The native state of our planet with its current land mass and ocean configuration is to cool. They have mistakenly correlated the recent warming trend to CO2 despite the geologic record being littered with warming and cooling trends that were not caused by CO2 or orbital forcing. Arguing that there can be no other causes for the recent warming trend is disingenuous. The geologic record is littered with examples. This is especially true ever since the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet 3 million years ago. Climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainties are hallmarks of our bipolar glaciated world which has different glaciation thresholds at each pole.
 
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Yet you can't say where all the missing carbon dioxide is ... over half man's emissions into the the atmosphere disappears within a year ...

... like magic ...

I may not know where it is, but at least I know it's missing ... and NOT increasing the greenhouse effect ... where do you stand, Mr. Smarty? ... btw, what's your mathematical definition of the greenhouse effect ... no, not the Alarmist spew, but the hard math ... c'mon, you call people ignorant, let's see how smart you really are ...

Wut?
 
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The native state of our planet with its current land mass and ocean configuration is to cool. They have mistakenly correlated the recent warming trend to CO2 despite the geologic record being littered with warming and cooling trends that were not caused by CO2 or orbital forcing. Arguing that there can be no other causes for the recent warming trend is disingenuous. The geologic record is littered with examples. This is especially true ever since the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet 3 million years ago. Climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainties are hallmarks of our bipolar glaciated world which has different glaciation thresholds at each pole.

Yea, sure, the earth is warming, but it's all completely normal, dating back millions of years, let's just ignore all the CO2 we are pumping into the atmosphere, nothing to see here folks, it happened millions of years ago, we're good here.
 

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Yea, sure, the earth is warming, but it's all completely normal, dating back millions of years, let's just ignore all the CO2 we are pumping into the atmosphere, nothing to see here folks, it happened millions of years ago, we're good here.
Scientists reach opposite conclusions for the cause of the recent warming trend depending upon the datasets they use.
 
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Scientists reach opposite conclusions for the cause of the recent warming trend depending upon the datasets they use.
Shut up, stupid.
 

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