Chinese State Run Media says China Ready to use Force Against US.

[MisterBeale]

We have Japan, South Korea, and the Phillipines on our side here.

Show me any evidence at all that any of these nations has any interest in going to bat for Taiwan. Why have they not recognized Taiwan?

 

[MisterBeale]

The Empire of the Chinese Communists is imperialist and ruthless, seeking world domination.

Your "peace in our time" position is foolish.

Who has more military bases and troops stationed around that world, China or the U.S.?

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm pretty sure it was Sun Tzu that covered how stupid it is to underestimate your enemy.

Looked at objectively, how well does China perform in their war with India?

India China War : Who will win? Check Miltary Comparison (Full Story)

India China War: China Can't Afford to Go Into the Ground Battle with India; Check Why? India China Live Updates India China Border India vs China who will win?

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[Donald H]

I sympathize, I really do.

But I honestly see China's side on this, and it is a murky issue. If the rest of the world stood with us? Then, we might have a case, but there aren't any nations with us on this issue. Taiwan has always been part of China. The nationalists lost the war. We can parse all we want, and say they are now two nations, but this is not our fight, it is a domestic issue that THEY need to resolve, preferably peacefully. . . but, if they can't, the best we can do, is sell the side we are on, weapons, and stay out of it.

The time to stand up? SHOULD HAVE BEEN TIBET.

So I don't really care to hear about your platitudes now. . . I am a person of integrity. And your arguments don't have any, they come from expediency, and from the propaganda you hear on your TEE VEE and your social media. The military industrial complex want this, the people? They do not.

TIBET was a sovereign nation. . . Why the hell did we not do anything then? Huh, tell me? WHY? Because it made no strategic sense, and no one cared enough.

I know all the regional players are pissed, but it doesn't matter, Taiwan is part of China, and it is none of the GD business.

Does Japan recognize Taiwan? Does Vietnam recognize Taiwan? How about the Philippines or South Korea?

Why not?

Countries that Recognize Taiwan 2024

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If none of these nations care to stand up for Taiwan, if practically NO ONE at the UN cares to. . . Why the hell should we?

Well thought out post Mr. Beale!

But why didn't America do something about Tibet?
Maybe because America was already doing the same thing throughout the world in a dozen active conflicts? Depends on the date in question for an accurate answer.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Who has more military bases and troops stationed around that world, China or the U.S.?

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

I support pulling all troops out of Europe and Japan.

 

[eagle1462010]

I sympathize, I really do.

But I honestly see China's side on this, and it is a murky issue. If the rest of the world stood with us? Then, we might have a case, but there aren't any nations with us on this issue. Taiwan has always been part of China. The nationalists lost the war. We can parse all we want, and say they are now two nations, but this is not our fight, it is a domestic issue that THEY need to resolve, preferably peacefully. . . but, if they can't, the best we can do, is sell the side we are on, weapons, and stay out of it.

The time to stand up? SHOULD HAVE BEEN TIBET.

So I don't really care to hear about your platitudes now. . . I am a person of integrity. And your arguments don't have any, they come from expediency, and from the propaganda you hear on your TEE VEE and your social media. The military industrial complex want this, the people? They do not.

TIBET was a sovereign nation. . . Why the hell did we not do anything then? Huh, tell me? WHY? Because it made no strategic sense, and no one cared enough.

I know all the regional players are pissed, but it doesn't matter, Taiwan is part of China, and it is none of the GD business.

Does Japan recognize Taiwan? Does Vietnam recognize Taiwan? How about the Philippines or South Korea?

Why not?

Countries that Recognize Taiwan 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

If none of these nations care to stand up for Taiwan, if practically NO ONE at the UN cares to. . . Why the hell should we?

Taiwan is not part of China anymore than the Phillippines are part of China. They are independent and have their own government. Saying otherwise is just parroting the China talking points.

We have given our word to them. We need to honor this one. It is foolish to stand aside and let them be attacked. China will not stop afterwards. That is why we need to stand against it now.

Ukraine. We have no such agreements.

 

[Donald H]

No it isn't. A bluewater navy is specifically to project power. It has nothing to do with defense.

China had a defensive navy for decades. Not any longer. Now they are building an offensive one.

There's a lot of blue water available without crossing the Pacific or the Atlantic. Blue water between Japan, the South China Sea, and China for instance.

And I'm totally aware of what the term 'blue water' means, so don't bother.

 

[eagle1462010]

Show me any evidence at all that any of these nations has any interest in going to bat for Taiwan. Why have they not recognized Taiwan?

I showed an article from Japan on this thread. They aren't happy. Not that hard to understand that the Phillippines don't want this either. This area has had heated exchanges over oil drilling rights. China being hungry for energy.

 

[Donald H]

Looked at objectively, how well does China perform in their war with India?

India China War : Who will win? Check Miltary Comparison (Full Story)

India China War: China Can't Afford to Go Into the Ground Battle with India; Check Why? India China Live Updates India China Border India vs China who will win?

world-wire.com

Objectively, China was part of confining it to fist fights and nothing much more serious as a challenge. That seems to be China's strategy doesn't it?

 

[MisterBeale]

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

I support pulling all troops out of Europe and Japan.

Actions speak louder than words. You are parroting propaganda.

You wrote;

The Empire of the Chinese Communists is imperialist and ruthless, seeking world domination.

This more often is a description of what John Perkins and Smedley Butler both wrote about, as the tool of our private ops and military are used by the Deep State. If you are not familiar, I suggest you acquaint yourself.

You aptly dodged my observation. The Chinese are only starting to do, what we have successfully done for a century.

. . . and now? It is rustling your jimmies.

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - Wikipedia

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Business Plot - Wikipedia

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Your post? Is laced with the most supreme irony, it really is.

 

[Donald H]

I'm not fighting any war.

I'm pointing out that we have the knowledge of history to guide us. We've seen this situation before.



A treaty was in place detailing how Hong Kong was to be treated. The CCP violated that treaty and crushed Hong Kong using biological weapons that were then turned on us.



China, good will?

Disagree for several concrete reasons but I'll leave it for now as a diversion from a very hot topic.

 

[MisterBeale]

I showed an article from Japan on this thread. They aren't happy. Not that hard to understand that the Phillippines don't want this either. This area has had heated exchanges over oil drilling rights. China being hungry for energy.

Are you talking about a Pay-Walled article to FT?

 

[Donald H]

That's propaganda, regardless of whether or not it echoes the sentiments of her people. What is much more important is trying to objectively establish whether or not it's true.

That's why it's much more enlightening to find out the answer, rather than fight an armchair war or an armchair propaganda war.

That which needs to be learned is the same as what America needed to learn about the resolve of the people of Vietnam.

And fwiw, the same question needs to be asked on South Korea.

 

[eagle1462010]

Are you talking about a Pay-Walled article to FT?

Japan defence paper warns for first time of crisis over Taiwan

Yeah the other one fucked up. Here is another one but wasn't the one the pay wall hit.

 

[MisterBeale]

This would also put China right next to the Phillippines.

. . . and that is a

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I don't think any reasonable person believes that China will, or would invade the Philippines, Vietnam, N. Korea, Cambodia, etc.

. . . . but then, no one thought they would go into Tibet. That was pretty bold.

I have no doubt, if such a thing were to happen, not only Japan, Australian, but the U.S. and the entire U.N. would intervene.

 

[eagle1462010]

That's propaganda, regardless of whether or not it echoes the sentiments of her people. What is much more important is trying to objectively establish whether or not it's true.

That's why it's much more enlightening to find out the answer, rather than fight an armchair war or an armchair propaganda war.

That which needs to be learned is the same as what America needed to learn about the resolve of the people of Vietnam.

And fwiw, the same question needs to be asked on South Korea.

I grow tired of all the armchair war hogwash. I've served over there in the South China Sea and have as much right to state my opinions as you........or anyone else......That phrase is always used when people try psychology on these topics.

If Taiwan wanted to join China............they don't.........then China wouldn't need to threaten force now would they?

 

[eagle1462010]

. . . and that is a

False equivalence - Wikipedia

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I don't think any reasonable person believes that China will, or would invade the Philippines, Vietnam, N. Korea, Cambodia, etc.

. . . . but then, no one thought they would go into Tibet. That was pretty bold.

I have no doubt, if such a thing were to happen, not only Japan, Australian, but the U.S. and the entire U.N. would intervene.

So based on that assumption you would stand down and allow Taiwan's people to be slaughtered by the Chinese.?

 

[Moonglow]

Chinese state-run media says Beijing ready to use force against US

A Chinese state-run media outlet has warned Washington that Beijing will not hesitate to strike US forces should they try to prevent China’s reunification with Taiwan, as promised recently by a top American official.

www.rt.com

This thread relates to US interference, or allegations of interference in Taiwan and so isn't being discussed elsewhere.
I interpret as a strong statement from China that was predictable.
Both America and China will likely have an opportunity to demonstrate their resolve.

I would only suggest that the decisions are most likely above Biden's ability and his pay grade, so to speak.

Both sides have reached the pinnacle of Cold War rhetoric that is equal to that of the previous Cold War.

The Taiwan Relations Act does not guarantee the U.S. will intervene militarily if the PRC attacks or invades Taiwan nor does it relinquish it, as its primary purpose is to ensure the US's Taiwan policy will not be changed unilaterally by the president and ensure any decision to defend Taiwan will be made with the consent of Congress. The act states that "the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capabilities". However, the decision about the nature and quantity of defense services that America will provide to Taiwan is to be determined by the President and Congress. America's policy has been called "strategic ambiguity", and it is designed to dissuade Taiwan from a unilateral declaration of independence, and to dissuade the PRC from unilaterally unifying Taiwan with the PRC.

Taiwan Relations Act - Wikipedia

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[MisterBeale]

Looked at objectively, how well does China perform in their war with India?

India China War : Who will win? Check Miltary Comparison (Full Story)

India China War: China Can't Afford to Go Into the Ground Battle with India; Check Why? India China Live Updates India China Border India vs China who will win?

world-wire.com

Speaking of India, given heightened tensions with Russia. . . I found this an interesting development. . .

India and Russia broaden defense ties despite potential risk of U.S. sanctions

The two countries signed 28 agreements and inked a 10-year defense cooperation pact.

www.cnbc.com

India, Russia seal S-400 deal, renew pact for military cooperation till 2031

NEW DELHI: India and Russia concluded major defence deals on Monday, including on the strategic S-400 air defence system and procurement of AK-203 assault rifle

www.newindianexpress.com

India Russia ink 10-year defence cooperation pact; Rajnath raises China’s unprovoked aggression in talks | India News - Times of India

India News: NEW DELHI: India and Russia on Monday inked a new expansive 10-year pact on military-technical cooperation as well as the deal for AK-203 Kalashnikov .

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[MisterBeale]

So based on that assumption you would stand down and allow Taiwan's people to be slaughtered by the Chinese.?

What makes you believe they would be, "slaughtered?"

You talk about the Chinese as if they were inhuman monsters. Why?

Perhaps the Chinese would round the Taiwanese up and put them in ovens too. . . that it?