Changing minds is more complicated than simply exposing poor arguments

Tommy Tainant

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The main British political discussion show invited in an audience of anti vaxxers to discuss their idiocy with a panel of experts. to limited success.

How do you react when someone politely but firmly tells you that you’re talking nonsense about something that’s important to you? Do you gracefully and immediately give way to their greater expertise? Or do you double down?

Most of us are in the latter camp. Voicing our beliefs tends to solidify them. We may like to think of ourselves as rational creatures, constantly assessing the world for new information that might change our minds, but this is not how our brains work. Explaining to someone that their belief is flat-out wrong is not a good way of getting them to drop it. And research shows that the process of “myth-busting” – setting out a common false statement, then explaining why it is wrong – backfires because it counterintuitively reinforces and helps spread the myths.

But it is impossible to counter emotion with facts and the exercise ,whils exposing the idiocy of the anti vaxxers, will probably not have convinced many. We could have told them cahead of the show. Five years of exposing trumps villiany has not dented his cults belief in him.

And focussing on the ridiculous "stop the steal" nonsense underlines this. Despite zero evidence there are still folk who think that the election was stolen. When it gets to the point that people do not need any evidence i n order to believe something touted by a proven liar then facts and science are not going to penetrate.

It leaves society pretty much at the mercy of uninformed people who think that a half hour rummaging aarund the net makes then PHDs in any subject under the sun.

These people breed, they vote and they bring up chilfren. We should be scared.
 
Many times people know what they are saying is complete B.S. but it's what they feel they must say to push their particular politics.

As I've said many times, politics have become a cult. It's all that matters.
 

The main British political discussion show invited in an audience of anti vaxxers to discuss their idiocy with a panel of experts. to limited success.

How do you react when someone politely but firmly tells you that you’re talking nonsense about something that’s important to you? Do you gracefully and immediately give way to their greater expertise? Or do you double down?

Most of us are in the latter camp. Voicing our beliefs tends to solidify them. We may like to think of ourselves as rational creatures, constantly assessing the world for new information that might change our minds, but this is not how our brains work. Explaining to someone that their belief is flat-out wrong is not a good way of getting them to drop it. And research shows that the process of “myth-busting” – setting out a common false statement, then explaining why it is wrong – backfires because it counterintuitively reinforces and helps spread the myths.

But it is impossible to counter emotion with facts and the exercise ,whils exposing the idiocy of the anti vaxxers, will probably not have convinced many. We could have told them cahead of the show. Five years of exposing trumps villiany has not dented his cults belief in him.

And focussing on the ridiculous "stop the steal" nonsense underlines this. Despite zero evidence there are still folk who think that the election was stolen. When it gets to the point that people do not need any evidence i n order to believe something touted by a proven liar then facts and science are not going to penetrate.

It leaves society pretty much at the mercy of uninformed people who think that a half hour rummaging aarund the net makes then PHDs in any subject under the sun.

These people breed, they vote and they bring up chilfren. We should be scared.
Do you believe in any form of communism?
 
Many times people know what they are saying is complete B.S. but it's what they feel they must say to push their particular politics.

As I've said many times, politics have become a cult. It's all that matters.
I think so. Its very tribal as well as the arguments being almost childlike.
"Why get vaxxed when the vax isnt 100% ?! is my particular favourite. We are lucky to have any sort of vax at all at the moment and it is proven to negate the worst effects of the virus. The fact that it can keep you out of hospital is huge.

I dont know what is in it ? This is another one. You dont know what is in any of your food.

All of it is nonsense and the same people are also experts on economics, global politics,climate change and God.
 

The main British political discussion show invited in an audience of anti vaxxers to discuss their idiocy with a panel of experts. to limited success.

How do you react when someone politely but firmly tells you that you’re talking nonsense about something that’s important to you? Do you gracefully and immediately give way to their greater expertise? Or do you double down?

Most of us are in the latter camp. Voicing our beliefs tends to solidify them. We may like to think of ourselves as rational creatures, constantly assessing the world for new information that might change our minds, but this is not how our brains work. Explaining to someone that their belief is flat-out wrong is not a good way of getting them to drop it. And research shows that the process of “myth-busting” – setting out a common false statement, then explaining why it is wrong – backfires because it counterintuitively reinforces and helps spread the myths.

But it is impossible to counter emotion with facts and the exercise ,whils exposing the idiocy of the anti vaxxers, will probably not have convinced many. We could have told them cahead of the show. Five years of exposing trumps villiany has not dented his cults belief in him.

And focussing on the ridiculous "stop the steal" nonsense underlines this. Despite zero evidence there are still folk who think that the election was stolen. When it gets to the point that people do not need any evidence i n order to believe something touted by a proven liar then facts and science are not going to penetrate.

It leaves society pretty much at the mercy of uninformed people who think that a half hour rummaging aarund the net makes then PHDs in any subject under the sun.

These people breed, they vote and they bring up chilfren. We should be scared.

Aw.

They still want to believe SO BAD. Like 11 yo who claim to believe in Santa. You know deep down they know what's up. They just can't admit it to themselves....yet
 
I think so. Its very tribal as well as the arguments being almost childlike.
"Why get vaxxed when the vax isnt 100% ?! is my particular favourite. We are lucky to have any sort of vax at all at the moment and it is proven to negate the worst effects of the virus. The fact that it can keep you out of hospital is huge.

I dont know what is in it ? This is another one. You dont know what is in any of your food.

All of it is nonsense and the same people are also experts on economics, global politics,climate change and God.

"Keep you out of the hospital".

Genius, Tommy. Keep going.

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The main British political discussion show invited in an audience of anti vaxxers to discuss their idiocy with a panel of experts. to limited success.

How do you react when someone politely but firmly tells you that you’re talking nonsense about something that’s important to you? Do you gracefully and immediately give way to their greater expertise? Or do you double down?

Most of us are in the latter camp. Voicing our beliefs tends to solidify them. We may like to think of ourselves as rational creatures, constantly assessing the world for new information that might change our minds, but this is not how our brains work. Explaining to someone that their belief is flat-out wrong is not a good way of getting them to drop it. And research shows that the process of “myth-busting” – setting out a common false statement, then explaining why it is wrong – backfires because it counterintuitively reinforces and helps spread the myths.

But it is impossible to counter emotion with facts and the exercise ,whils exposing the idiocy of the anti vaxxers, will probably not have convinced many. We could have told them cahead of the show. Five years of exposing trumps villiany has not dented his cults belief in him.

And focussing on the ridiculous "stop the steal" nonsense underlines this. Despite zero evidence there are still folk who think that the election was stolen. When it gets to the point that people do not need any evidence i n order to believe something touted by a proven liar then facts and science are not going to penetrate.

It leaves society pretty much at the mercy of uninformed people who think that a half hour rummaging aarund the net makes then PHDs in any subject under the sun.

These people breed, they vote and they bring up chilfren. We should be scared.
Nobody changes anyone's mind, any more than anyone could get you to be heterosexual.
 
You need to form your question better. Its unclear what you want as it seems unrelated to the actual topic under discussion.

You may want to consider what's going on in Israel where 4 shots have been implemented. But then, you won't. Right?

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Needless to say, Palestine has not injected their people with all these great vaccines. Tommy, did you get the booster? Good luck.
 
Aw.

They still want to believe SO BAD. Like 11 yo who claim to believe in Santa. You know deep down they know what's up. They just can't admit it to themselves....yet
Its created quite a stinl over here SUe. People think that giving loons a platform is not what our national broadcaster should be doing. But the anti vaxxers cant complain their nuttiness has been ignored by the evil MSM.
 
These people breed, they vote and they bring up chilfren. We should be scared.
Yep.

Someone sometime from somewhere in the South in 2040 or 2050 will stand up in a lecture hall somewhere--likely in a northern city--and correctly point out how little the south has advanced over the last 30 years.

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The above graphic is the % of adults who have been fully vaccinated.

If you were to do a chart about adult illiteracy, you'd find a similar breakdown--with the caveat that CA and NY are further to the left...which is because populations where English is a second or third language are well represented there.

And there is zero sign that it will change anytime soon.

Also, and not coincidentally, if you were to superimpose the size of state college and public high school football stadiums with the larger ones to the left and the smaller ones to the right...it would look very similar I would wager. It shows the priorities.
 

The main British political discussion show invited in an audience of anti vaxxers to discuss their idiocy with a panel of experts. to limited success.

How do you react when someone politely but firmly tells you that you’re talking nonsense about something that’s important to you? Do you gracefully and immediately give way to their greater expertise? Or do you double down?

Most of us are in the latter camp. Voicing our beliefs tends to solidify them. We may like to think of ourselves as rational creatures, constantly assessing the world for new information that might change our minds, but this is not how our brains work. Explaining to someone that their belief is flat-out wrong is not a good way of getting them to drop it. And research shows that the process of “myth-busting” – setting out a common false statement, then explaining why it is wrong – backfires because it counterintuitively reinforces and helps spread the myths.

But it is impossible to counter emotion with facts and the exercise ,whils exposing the idiocy of the anti vaxxers, will probably not have convinced many. We could have told them cahead of the show. Five years of exposing trumps villiany has not dented his cults belief in him.

And focussing on the ridiculous "stop the steal" nonsense underlines this. Despite zero evidence there are still folk who think that the election was stolen. When it gets to the point that people do not need any evidence i n order to believe something touted by a proven liar then facts and science are not going to penetrate.

It leaves society pretty much at the mercy of uninformed people who think that a half hour rummaging aarund the net makes then PHDs in any subject under the sun.

These people breed, they vote and they bring up chilfren. We should be scared.

More Israel data for you Tommy. Funny how easily you fall for the narrative, but data--you know, SCIENCE---you're impervious to that.

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Yep.

Someone sometime from somewhere in the South in 2040 or 2050 will stand up in a lecture hall somewhere--likely in a northern city--and correctly point out how little the south has advanced over the last 30 years.

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The above graphic is the % of adults who have been fully vaccinated.

If you were to do a chart about adult illiteracy, you'd find a similar breakdown--with the caveat that CA and NY are further to the left...which is because populations where English is a second or third language are well represented there.

And there is zero sign that it will change anytime soon.

Also, and not coincidentally, if you were to superimpose the size of state college and public high school football stadiums with the larger ones to the left and the smaller ones to the right...it would look very similar I would wager. It shows the priorities.


Look at the charts in this thread from Israel. You got boosted, right?

Good luck
 
Many times people know what they are saying is complete B.S. but it's what they feel they must say to push their particular politics.

As I've said many times, politics have become a cult. It's all that matters.

Also the ignorant who don't know what they think, the mental outcast and those with a plan to do evil for power,money or religious purpose, in other words the lawless.
 
And yet you campaign against teachers who are "indoctrinating the kids" to be gay ? I am glad that you recognise the idiocy of that argument.

Tommy. You are arguing for vaccines that do not work as a BEST case scenario just because you feeeeeel like they're the right thing to do. Like Obedience Vaccines.

Okay, good boy Tommy. Good boy. You obeyed. Good boy. Here's a sticker.
 
Yep.

Someone sometime from somewhere in the South in 2040 or 2050 will stand up in a lecture hall somewhere--likely in a northern city--and correctly point out how little the south has advanced over the last 30 years.

View attachment 597901


The above graphic is the % of adults who have been fully vaccinated.

If you were to do a chart about adult illiteracy, you'd find a similar breakdown--with the caveat that CA and NY are further to the left...which is because populations where English is a second or third language are well represented there.

And there is zero sign that it will change anytime soon.

Also, and not coincidentally, if you were to superimpose the size of state college and public high school football stadiums with the larger ones to the left and the smaller ones to the right...it would look very similar I would wager. It shows the priorities.
I see it as more related to life experiences. There are intelligent people in the unvaxxed but they seem to have been damaged in some way. Abused as kids or bitter about something.
But you are correct in that stupid people are easier to control with dodgy data.
 
Yep.

Someone sometime from somewhere in the South in 2040 or 2050 will stand up in a lecture hall somewhere--likely in a northern city--and correctly point out how little the south has advanced over the last 30 years.

View attachment 597901


The above graphic is the % of adults who have been fully vaccinated.

If you were to do a chart about adult illiteracy, you'd find a similar breakdown--with the caveat that CA and NY are further to the left...which is because populations where English is a second or third language are well represented there.

And there is zero sign that it will change anytime soon.

Also, and not coincidentally, if you were to superimpose the size of state college and public high school football stadiums with the larger ones to the left and the smaller ones to the right...it would look very similar I would wager. It shows the priorities.

Yes, the schmart people, the sophisticated set, went out and injected themselves with God only knows what because the Overlords told them to. And it made them feel like good people.

Did it work out??
 
I see it as more related to life experiences. There are intelligent people in the unvaxxed but they seem to have been damaged in some way. Abused as kids or bitter about something.
But you are correct in that stupid people are easier to control with dodgy data.

Where's your data, Tommy? Or are you just going to congratulate yourself over and over that you were A Good Boy?
 

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