Canada apporves new oil pipeline

[LoneLaugher]

Because he doesn't understand supply and demand

What Determines Oil Prices?

Thanks for the link that says I was right, dude. Did you read it?

It did not support your claim. Please. Try harder.

 

[LoneLaugher]

From the link;

The two primary factors that impact the price of oil are:

supply and demand
market sentiment

Keep reading. It will do you good.

It says what we said, supply and demand sets oil prices. The field of economics says the same thing. So does all empirical data.

It's you who needs to get with the beat, Baggy.

Post the conclusion, please. I would do it....but I want to make sure that you read it.

Post the conclusion.

Thanks.

 

[LoneLaugher]

There is no difference between spending on a vacation or spending on repairs. It's still spending. And in he case of 'infrastructure jobs', it's about spending money that doesn't exist. The money has to come of somewhere. Democrats don't understand this.

More reasons we don't elect TeaTards

The only reason you don't vote for TeaTards is they promise to cut your welfare checks. You're a one issue voter.

I suppose that was a well thought out post?

You suck.

 

[Siete]

and this:

Pictures: Satellite Views of Canada's Oil Sands Over Time

that's a beautiful picture .... if you're a republitard


and another reason I promote oil rigs that produce crude vs shale that produces toxic crap

 

[Toro]

and this:

Pictures: Satellite Views of Canada's Oil Sands Over Time

And?

Nobody ever went there before.

Albertans are very supportive of oil sands development. It's their land, not yours.

99% of Canada's wilderness is pristine. The other 1% makes Canadians rich.

 

[LoneLaugher]

99% sounds nice. What is our percentage?

 

[Siete]

and this:

Pictures: Satellite Views of Canada's Oil Sands Over Time

And?

Nobody ever went there before.

Albertans are very supportive of oil sands development. It's their land, not yours.

99% of Canada's wilderness is pristine. The other 1% makes Canadians rich.

Five natural resources, forests, water, natural gas, land and the air are destroyed to produce tar sands. The forest includes the entire area of 144,000 square miles that must be cut down and destroyed to get to the sand beneath the ground....


care for a drink of refined water ? that shit should be piped directly to every proponent of tar sand oil production
.

 

[tinydancer]

your country & the planet lose though:

Deep In Canadian Lakes, Signs Of Tar Sands Pollution : NPR

The idea is to make it a win win for the environment and for people.

There are tough environmental regulations here with kick ass penalties when companies **** up.

But hey. You don't want our oil? Don't buy it. Get hold of Obama right this minute and tell him to stop importing oil from Canada.

You won't stop the oil production here.

its not oil, its tarsands. Theres a diff tinyd but you knew that didn't you It costs more to get the oil out AND, consequently, you have MORE CO2 & waste. STOP BEING A BIG OIL FLUFFER!!!












:d

It's heavy crude oil. Just like Venezuela's Orinoco tar sands produces as far as I've read. So what makes our heavy crude worst than Venezuela's?

We're your number one but Venezuela is your number three I think. Top 5 anyway. Do you think they have environmental regulations like we do? Do you think their workers get paid as much and have as many benefits as our oil companies give them?

ETA: checked. As of March 2014 they were number four.

March 2014 Import Highlights
Monthly data on the origins of crude oil imports in March 2014 has been released and it shows that two countries exported more than 1 million barrels per day to the United States (see table below). The top five exporting countries accounted for 83 percent of United States crude oil imports in March while the top ten sources accounted for approximately 96 percent of all U.S. crude oil imports. The top five sources of US crude oil imports for March were Canada (2,709 thousand barrels per day), Saudi Arabia (1,425 thousand barrels per day), Mexico (799 thousand barrels per day), Venezuela (724 thousand barrels per day), and Kuwait (356 thousand barrels per day). The rest of the top ten sources, in order, were Colombia (323 thousand barrels per day), Iraq (291 thousand barrels per day), Ecuador (167 thousand barrels per day), Angola (106 thousand barrels per day), and Nigeria (96 thousand barrels per day). Total crude oil imports averaged 7,264 thousand barrels per day in March, which was a decrease of 64 thousand barrels per day from imports during February 2014.

Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum to the United States in January; exporting 3,205 thousand barrels per day. The second largest exporter of total petroleum was Saudi Arabia with 1,444 thousand barrels per day.

http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/imports/companylevel/

Do you think any other country you get your oil from has this type of regulation? I don't think so. Angola and Nigeria don't strike me as that concerned about the environment.

The Alberta government requires companies to restore the land to "equivalent land capability". This means that the ability of the land to support various land uses after reclamation is similar to what existed, but that the individual land uses may not necessarily be identical.

In some particular circumstances the government considers agricultural land to be equivalent to forest land. Oil sands companies have reclaimed mined land to use as pasture for wood bison instead of restoring it to the original boreal forest and muskeg.

Athabasca oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[tinydancer]

and this:

Pictures: Satellite Views of Canada's Oil Sands Over Time

And?

Nobody ever went there before.

Albertans are very supportive of oil sands development. It's their land, not yours.

99% of Canada's wilderness is pristine. The other 1% makes Canadians rich.

Five natural resources, forests, water, natural gas, land and the air are destroyed to produce tar sands. The forest includes the entire area of 144,000 square miles that must be cut down and destroyed to get to the sand beneath the ground....


care for a drink of refined water ? that shit should be piped directly to every proponent of tar sand oil production
.

Simple solution. Don't buy our oil. Just only buy from third world countries who I am sure will be so thrilled with your business that they will pay their employees more and give them health benefits and a retirement package.

I'm sure the governments of countries like Columbia, Angola or Nigeria would love to pass on company benefits to their workers.

And if you think that oil production is swell in those countries because they have stringent government environmental guidelines buy from them.

 

[tinydancer]

I'm sure other countries make their oil companies jump thru hoops like we do.

Land Reclamation

To date, around 4,400 hectares of land at our operations in northern Alberta is either reclaimed or prepared for re-vegetation activities. This includes 3,200 hectares of permanently reclaimed land and 1,200 hectares of land capped with soil. To date, we've planted over 6 million tree and shrub seedlings throughout our reclaimed areas. (Please see note below regarding definition of reclamation.)

In 2008, we received the first reclamation certification in the Canadian oil sands industry for the 104-hectare area known as Gateway Hill. This area was planted in the early 1980s and is Syncrude's most established reclaimed area. We will apply for additional government certification as other reclaimed areas mature.

At Syncrude, oil sands reclamation begins once the area is no longer being used as part of our active operation. In fact, it takes many years before we apply for government reclamation certification. In order to receive certification, we must prove the reclaimed land can sustain vegetation and wildlife similar to that before disturbance. Learn about the eight steps in reclamation here.

In collaboration with universities across Canada and the United States, we are pioneering the creation of a fen wetland through a research project at our former East Mine area. The fen is being established by placing peat and vegetation material, recovered from future mining areas, over a layer of composite tailings and sand.

In cooperation with the Fort McKay First Nation, we have successfully developed wood bison habitats. About 300 wood bison now graze on land reclaimed from oil sands mining and tailings operations. The quality of the herd continues to be recognized; awards were won by each of the Syncrude bison entered including the top prize of Reserve Grand Champion at both the 2006 Saskatchewan Bison Association Premium Stock show and the 2005 Wild Rose Classic bison show.\\

Due to the herd's excellent health, we are contributing to a genetics preservation project conducted by the Universities of Calgary and Saskatchewan, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Parks Canada, the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Calgary Zoo.

Syncrude is working with government agencies, local communities and other stakeholder groups to ensure land reclamation in the Boreal Forest achieves a wide range of land use capabilities, in tune with the needs and aspirations of the people in our region.

The vision is to leave behind an area comprised of forests, parkland, wetland and lakes. This way the land will be able to support a new generation of economic and recreational uses, including forestry, bison ranching, hiking and fishing.

Note: In 2010, the Government of Alberta established a new definition for permanent reclamation. For an area to be considered reclaimed, the definition states it must be revegetated in accordance with government-approved plans.

Syncrude's prior definition of a reclaimed area was land that, at a minimum, had been shaped, formed, capped with soil and ready for revegetation. Furthermore, in 2011, bison pasture land formerly considered permanent reclamation were reclassified as temporary reclamation. These changes resulted in the reclassification of land previously reported by Syncrude, lowering the number of hectares classified as permanent reclamation. We have amended our reclamation numbers to ensure consistency with government reports.

*Photo credit: Dr. Dale Vitt

Way more info at link:

Syncrude Canada Ltd. - Land Reclamation

 

[tinydancer]

Environmental work in progress under strict guidelines in Canada. But if you don't want our oil, I'm sure that Ecuador and Columbia have reclamation projects like ours.

A reclaimed forest in the former west mine area.

Gateway Hill is the first restored area in the oil sands to receive reclamation certification by the Alberta Government.

A herd of around 300 wood bison graze on land reclaimed from Syncrude mining operations

Syncrude Canada Ltd. - Land Reclamation

 

[Siete]

And?

Nobody ever went there before.

Albertans are very supportive of oil sands development. It's their land, not yours.

99% of Canada's wilderness is pristine. The other 1% makes Canadians rich.

Five natural resources, forests, water, natural gas, land and the air are destroyed to produce tar sands. The forest includes the entire area of 144,000 square miles that must be cut down and destroyed to get to the sand beneath the ground....


care for a drink of refined water ? that shit should be piped directly to every proponent of tar sand oil production
.

Simple solution. Don't buy our oil. Just only buy from third world countries who I am sure will be so thrilled with your business that they will pay their employees more and give them health benefits and a retirement package.

I'm sure the governments of countries like Columbia, Angola or Nigeria would love to pass on company benefits to their workers.

And if you think that oil production is swell in those countries because they have stringent government environmental guidelines buy from them.

tar sand is NOT crude....

our oil ? you're Canadian ?

 

[Toro]

Five natural resources, forests, water, natural gas, land and the air are destroyed to produce tar sands. The forest includes the entire area of 144,000 square miles that must be cut down and destroyed to get to the sand beneath the ground....


care for a drink of refined water ? that shit should be piped directly to every proponent of tar sand oil production
.

Simple solution. Don't buy our oil. Just only buy from third world countries who I am sure will be so thrilled with your business that they will pay their employees more and give them health benefits and a retirement package.

I'm sure the governments of countries like Columbia, Angola or Nigeria would love to pass on company benefits to their workers.

And if you think that oil production is swell in those countries because they have stringent government environmental guidelines buy from them.

tar sand is NOT crude....

our oil ? you're Canadian ?

Yes, and so am I. I have many friends in Alberta. My brother lives in Calgary and has worked in the oil patch.

It's none of your business what we do with our natural resources. If you don't like it, don't buy it. We'll build a pipeline to the coast and sell it to China. We don't give a shit what a bunch of smarmy, over-bearing, foreign, urban environmentalists who've never been there think.

 

[tinydancer]

Five natural resources, forests, water, natural gas, land and the air are destroyed to produce tar sands. The forest includes the entire area of 144,000 square miles that must be cut down and destroyed to get to the sand beneath the ground....


care for a drink of refined water ? that shit should be piped directly to every proponent of tar sand oil production
.

Simple solution. Don't buy our oil. Just only buy from third world countries who I am sure will be so thrilled with your business that they will pay their employees more and give them health benefits and a retirement package.

I'm sure the governments of countries like Columbia, Angola or Nigeria would love to pass on company benefits to their workers.

And if you think that oil production is swell in those countries because they have stringent government environmental guidelines buy from them.

tar sand is NOT crude....

our oil ? you're Canadian ?

Dual citizen. Spent many of my summers growing up north of Daytona in a place called Ormond Beach. Worked both sides of the border in the music business. Probably seen more states than most. I've been blessed that way.

My husband was a rep at Saturn in Tennessee for PPG and we lived there for many years. My dad in law worked at NASA and he's in Cocoa Beach and we travel to see him all the time. And when I raised Catahoulas I spent a lot of time in Louisiana and other southern states.

Canada well I've been coast to coast and have lived in a number of places in various provinces.

Pretty lucky that way. Few states I've not been able to spend a lot of time in and I'd like to spend more time in the south west. New Mexico looks interesting.

So there's most of my life in a nutshell for ya! But there's more adventures to come.

Oh and bitumen is basically heavy crude.

The Athabasca oil sands (also called the Athabasca tar sands or Alberta tar sands) are large deposits of bitumen or extremely heavy crude oil, located in northeastern Alberta, Canada – roughly centred on the boomtown of Fort McMurray. These oil sands, hosted in the McMurray Formation, consist of a mixture of crude bitumen (a semi-solid form of crude oil), silica sand, clay minerals, and water. The Athabasca deposit is the largest known reservoir of crude bitumen in the world and the largest of three major oil sands deposits in Alberta, along with the nearby Peace River and Cold Lake deposits

Athabasca oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dot Com]

and this:

Pictures: Satellite Views of Canada's Oil Sands Over Time

And?

Nobody ever went there before.

Albertans are very supportive of oil sands development. It's their land, not yours.

99% of Canada's wilderness is pristine. The other 1% makes Canadians rich.

not if we annexed it bitchez!!! [MENTION=2926]Toro[/MENTION] Besides, its Mother Earth's land for posterity

 

[Dot Com]

The Alberta government requires companies to restore the land to "equivalent land capability". This means that the ability of the land to support various land uses after reclamation is similar to what existed, but that the individual land uses may not necessarily be identical.

In some particular circumstances the government considers agricultural land to be equivalent to forest land. Oil sands companies have reclaimed mined land to use as pasture for wood bison instead of restoring it to the original boreal forest and muskeg.

Athabasca oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

are you implying that your pols aren't bought-'n-paid-for like MURICA's? They'll turn a blind eye to that area after its done being plundered. Instead of thoroughly processing the by-products, they'll do the american rw thing to do sweep it under the rug (dirt) so future generations are saddled w/ its toxic effects. Thats why our Republicans want to disband the EPA, OSHA, etc... so they can exploit w/o having to clean up after themselves.

 

[Dot Com]

Simple solution. Don't buy our oil. Just only buy from third world countries who I am sure will be so thrilled with your business that they will pay their employees more and give them health benefits and a retirement package.

I'm sure the governments of countries like Columbia, Angola or Nigeria would love to pass on company benefits to their workers.

And if you think that oil production is swell in those countries because they have stringent government environmental guidelines buy from them.

tar sand is NOT crude....

our oil ? you're Canadian ?

Yes, and so am I. I have many friends in Alberta. My brother lives in Calgary and has worked in the oil patch.

It's none of your business what we do with our natural resources. If you don't like it, don't buy it. We'll build a pipeline to the coast and sell it to China. We don't give a shit what a bunch of smarmy, over-bearing, foreign, urban environmentalists who've never been there think.

yes it is. this issue transcends manmade drawn boundaries. Do you think there will be a Canada there 1000 years from now? Conservatives short-term gain, long-term pain. Ever heard of the terms: "posterity" or "stewardship"?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

What do you think the purpose of infrastructure is?

You cheap ***** who can't look past the next ten minutes will not invest in anything to help the country. Capital producers benefit more from our infrastructure than working americans

There is a difference in spending $10,000 to fix your roof and spending $10,000 on a vacation.

There is no difference between spending on a vacation or spending on repairs. It's still spending. And in he case of 'infrastructure jobs', it's about spending money that doesn't exist. The money has to come of somewhere. Democrats don't understand this.

More reasons we don't elect TeaTards

Where do you get the money?

 

[tinydancer]

The Alberta government requires companies to restore the land to "equivalent land capability". This means that the ability of the land to support various land uses after reclamation is similar to what existed, but that the individual land uses may not necessarily be identical.

In some particular circumstances the government considers agricultural land to be equivalent to forest land. Oil sands companies have reclaimed mined land to use as pasture for wood bison instead of restoring it to the original boreal forest and muskeg.

Athabasca oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

are you implying that your pols aren't bought-'n-paid-for like MURICA's? They'll turn a blind eye to that area after its done being plundered. Instead of thoroughly processing the by-products, they'll do the american rw thing to do sweep it under the rug (dirt) so future generations are saddled w/ its toxic effects. Thats why our Republicans want to disband the EPA, OSHA, etc... so they can exploit w/o having to clean up after themselves.

We don't **** around. Errrrrrrrr duck around Truly. No slap on the wrist. Check this out. The best part of this settlement is that they truly apologized and accepted the sentence with no appeal. Not bad eh?




Syncrude to pay $3M penalty for duck deaths

CBC News Posted: Oct 22, 2010 8:49 AM MT Last Updated: Oct 22, 2010 8:55 PM MT

Oilsands giant Syncrude Canada will pay a $3-million penalty for the deaths of 1,600 ducks in one of its toxic tailings ponds in April 2008.

Syncrude lawyers and federal and provincial prosecutors presented the deal Friday morning in provincial court in St. Albert, Alta., and Judge Ken Tjosvold accepted it.

Syncrude lawyer Jack Marshall told the court that the company apologizes for the incident and recognizes it must do much better when it comes to protecting wildlife.

Syncrude was fined the maximum under the applicable federal and provincial laws: $300,000 for the federal charge and $500,000 for the provincial charge.

A research project into bird migration and the effectiveness of bird deterrents at the University of Alberta will also receive $1.3 million.

Other beneficiaries include the Alberta Conservation Association, which will receive $900,000, and the environmental program at Keyano College in Fort McMurray, which will receive half of the $500,000 provincial fine.

Fine largest in history

"Syncrude is eager to move forward from this incident. It's haunted us and it's something that we sincerely regret and have from the beginning," said Syncrude spokeswoman Cheryl Robb.


"We've learned a lot and we made significant changes to our system and we're ready to move forward."

Provincial Crown prosecutor Susan McRory said she was pleased the judge accepted the terms of the sentencing agreement.

"The company has taken responsibility, the laws have been enforced, and the penalty will hopefully prevent anything like this from ever happening again," she said.


Syncrude to pay $3M penalty for duck deaths - Edmonton - CBC News

 

[Discombobulated]

How does Keystone help the US?

It doesn't and it never could. Piping the most expensive oil in the world to our refineries for export will not lower the price of gas by even one penny.