Canada apporves new oil pipeline

[Pogo]

this president or any other president can't control the price of oil ... you're a moron

strawman

No one ever said he could.

Government policy affects the price of oil, though.

Yes it does. If obozo were to announce that he was authorizing Keystone and allowing drilling in the gulf, the atlantic and pacific coasts and fracking on govt land--------OPEC would drop the price of oil instantly.

Its all about supply and demand. Increase supply and the price goes down.

But thats not what obama wants, now is it? ever wonder why?

Wrong again. Even opening up OCS and ANWR wouldn't get product to the market for 22 years. So said the EIA. Under Boooooosh.

 

[Redfish]

Other than it had Obamas name on it, why did they kill the Obama Jobs bill that was mostly infrastructure improvement?
Why did Chris Christie kill the NYC tunnell that would have provided thousands of more jobs than Keystone? Why didn't Republicans protest that?
Where are all the Republican infrastructure bills? They are good at proposing kill Obamacare bills, why can't they push for some infrastructure?

Keystone would produce jobs and revenue, besides reducing the price of fuel in the USA.

Other types of infrastructure create jobs but take govt revenue and do not contribute to the national wealth.

I am not saying we should not do infrastructure projects, just explaining the difference to you.

No it wouldn't stupid. It makes Big Oil's transport easier to get product to Asia and that's all it does. And that doesn't affect the price, which is set on the international market. It's got zero to do with the price of fuel here.

It would create jobs though. The figure I read was 35 people would be needed to basically hold the mule's balls and make sure they don't spill.

Whoop de frickin' do.

Asia???????? is Texas part of Asia?

and yes, the price of oil is set based on international supply, increase supply and guess what--------the price goes down.

why do you think the mess in Iraq has made the price go up????? any idea??? could it be that the futures buyers think the supply might be impacted????????

 

[KissMy]

this president or any other president can't control the price of oil ... you're a moron

strawman

No one ever said he could.

Government policy affects the price of oil, though.

Yes it does. If obozo were to announce that he was authorizing Keystone and allowing drilling in the gulf, the atlantic and pacific coasts and fracking on govt land--------OPEC would drop the price of oil instantly.

Its all about supply and demand. Increase supply and the price goes down.

But thats not what obama wants, now is it? ever wonder why?

Because he want's to make Koch more money?
.

 

[Redfish]

strawman

No one ever said he could.

Government policy affects the price of oil, though.

Yes it does. If obozo were to announce that he was authorizing Keystone and allowing drilling in the gulf, the atlantic and pacific coasts and fracking on govt land--------OPEC would drop the price of oil instantly.

Its all about supply and demand. Increase supply and the price goes down.

But thats not what obama wants, now is it? ever wonder why?

Wrong again. Even opening up OCS and ANWR wouldn't get product to the market for 22 years. So said the EIA. Under Boooooosh.

22 years? I really want some of what you are smoking. More like 5 to 10 years. But knowing it was coming would drive the price down NOW. Oil prices are based on futures.

 

[Redfish]

strawman

No one ever said he could.

Government policy affects the price of oil, though.

Yes it does. If obozo were to announce that he was authorizing Keystone and allowing drilling in the gulf, the atlantic and pacific coasts and fracking on govt land--------OPEC would drop the price of oil instantly.

Its all about supply and demand. Increase supply and the price goes down.

But thats not what obama wants, now is it? ever wonder why?

Because he wan'ts to make Koch more money?

Maybe Soros, but the real reason------------------he is determined to destroy our economy and punish this country for its past successes, slavery, and being mean to muslims.

 

[Pogo]

Yes it does. If obozo were to announce that he was authorizing Keystone and allowing drilling in the gulf, the atlantic and pacific coasts and fracking on govt land--------OPEC would drop the price of oil instantly.

Its all about supply and demand. Increase supply and the price goes down.

But thats not what obama wants, now is it? ever wonder why?

Wrong again. Even opening up OCS and ANWR wouldn't get product to the market for 22 years. So said the EIA. Under Boooooosh.

22 years? I really want some of what you are smoking. More like 5 to 10 years. But knowing it was coming would drive the price down NOW. Oil prices are based on futures.

Smoke this.

 

[Rotagilla]

this president or any other president can't control the price of oil ... you're a moron

strawman

No one ever said he could.

Government policy affects the price of oil, though.

where's my apology ?


Separate from the annual placement of moratorium language in appropriations bills, Congress passed legislation (Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act) in 2006 which allowed new drilling to commence in certain portions of the Gulf of Mexico, but placed nearly all of the Eastern Gulf of Mexico under a leasing and drilling moratorium until 2022.

Florida is protected up to 125 miles of their coastline until 2022.


still waiting for that apology you accused me of scurrying away from .... ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDD ?

That is not a law. No such law exists. You're lying. I already showed you in post #194.
You cite a "law" that doesn't exist to support your wild claims.

Here; try to focus this time.

This bill was introduced in a previous session of Congress and was passed by the Senate on August 1, 2006 but was never passed by the House.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s3711#overview


S. 3711 (109th): Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006

Introduced:
Jul 20, 2006 (109th Congress, 2005–2006)
Status:
Died (Passed Senate) in a previous session of Congress

 

[Redfish]

Wrong again. Even opening up OCS and ANWR wouldn't get product to the market for 22 years. So said the EIA. Under Boooooosh.

22 years? I really want some of what you are smoking. More like 5 to 10 years. But knowing it was coming would drive the price down NOW. Oil prices are based on futures.

Smoke this.

lets see now, 2014 to 2020 -----------you say that is 22 years

 

[KissMy]

Yes it does. If obozo were to announce that he was authorizing Keystone and allowing drilling in the gulf, the atlantic and pacific coasts and fracking on govt land--------OPEC would drop the price of oil instantly.

Its all about supply and demand. Increase supply and the price goes down.

But thats not what obama wants, now is it? ever wonder why?

Because he want's to make Koch more money?

Maybe Soros, but the real reason------------------he is determined to destroy our economy and punish this country for its past successes, slavery, and being mean to muslims.

 

[Siete]

strawman

No one ever said he could.

Government policy affects the price of oil, though.

where's my apology ?

Much of the eastern Gulf of Mexico is subject to a congressional moratorium until 2022, so Congress would need to act to allow leasing in those areas. But Interior said its goal is to schedule lease sales in the eastern gulf for the 2012-2017 program.

The EIS will consider alternatives that may include increasing or decreasing the number or frequency of sales, coastal buffers, limiting areas available for leasing and excluding parts of or entire planning areas.

Specifically, the draft EIS will evaluate offering eight offshore planning areas for leasing including the Beaufort Sea, Chukchi Sea and Cook Inlet offshore Alaska; the western and central Gulf of Mexico and the eastern gulf at least 125 miles off the Florida coast; and the south and mid-Atlantic Coast, from Delaware to central Florida


apology please



Much of the eastern Gulf of Mexico is subject to a congressional moratorium until 2022, so Congress would need to act to allow leasing in those areas. But Interior said its goal is to schedule lease sales in the eastern gulf for the 2012-2017 program.

The EIS will consider alternatives that may include increasing or decreasing the number or frequency of sales, coastal buffers, limiting areas available for leasing and excluding parts of or entire planning areas.

Specifically, the draft EIS will evaluate offering eight offshore planning areas for leasing including the Beaufort Sea, Chukchi Sea and Cook Inlet offshore Alaska; the western and central Gulf of Mexico and the eastern gulf at least 125 miles off the Florida coast; and the south and mid-Atlantic Coast, from Delaware to central Florida



apology please



Separate from the annual placement of moratorium language in appropriations bills, Congress passed legislation (Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act) in 2006 which allowed new drilling to commence in certain portions of the Gulf of Mexico, but placed nearly all of the Eastern Gulf of Mexico under a leasing and drilling moratorium until 2022.

Florida is protected up to 125 miles of their coastline until 2022.


still waiting for that apology you accused me of scurrying away from .... ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDD ?

That is not a law. No such law exists. You're lying. I already showed you in post #194.
You cite a "law" that doesn't exist to support your wild claims.

Here; try to focus this time.

This bill was introduced in a previous session of Congress and was passed by the Senate on August 1, 2006 but was never passed by the House.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s3711#overview


S. 3711 (109th): Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006

Introduced:
Jul 20, 2006 (109th Congress, 2005–2006)
Status:
Died (Passed Senate) in a previous session of Congress

some portions are open .... Florida is closed until 2022 just like I said ..


The eastern Gulf — an area stretching from 125 to 300 miles off Florida's coast — was singled out for protection by Congress in 2006 as part of a deal with Florida lawmakers that made available 8.3 million acres to oil and gas development in the east-central Gulf. Under that agreement, the protected region is to remain off limits to energy development until 2022.

But the administration had entertained the idea of expanded drilling until the BP spill that spewed an estimated 172 million gallons of oil into the Gulf. In order to open more of the eastern Gulf to drilling, the administration would have to ask Congress to lift the drilling moratorium.

The new plan does not affect the Pacific seaboard, which will remain off-limits to drilling in federal waters.

Lawmakers in Florida praised Wednesday's decision. Drilling in state-controlled waters has long been banned because of fears that a major spill would damage state beaches.

Gov. Charlie Crist called the decision "wonderful news" that would be favorably received by the tourist industry and state residents alike


apology please ..

 

[Pogo]

22 years? I really want some of what you are smoking. More like 5 to 10 years. But knowing it was coming would drive the price down NOW. Oil prices are based on futures.

Smoke this.

lets see now, 2014 to 2020 -----------you say that is 22 years

OK I misunderestimated -- it's 23 years.

>> The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher&#8212;2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant. <<

(study done in 2007; 2030 - 2007 = 23) <<​

Of course the reality of this didn't stop demagogues like John McCain from crowing "drill here drill now" and pretending he could magically tame the runaway gas prices of 2008 in "six months" or whatever the cockamamie campaign bullshit was.

 

[Rotagilla]

where's my apology ?

Much of the eastern Gulf of Mexico is subject to a congressional moratorium until 2022, so Congress would need to act to allow leasing in those areas. But Interior said its goal is to schedule lease sales in the eastern gulf for the 2012-2017 program.

The EIS will consider alternatives that may include increasing or decreasing the number or frequency of sales, coastal buffers, limiting areas available for leasing and excluding parts of or entire planning areas.

Specifically, the draft EIS will evaluate offering eight offshore planning areas for leasing including the Beaufort Sea, Chukchi Sea and Cook Inlet offshore Alaska; the western and central Gulf of Mexico and the eastern gulf at least 125 miles off the Florida coast; and the south and mid-Atlantic Coast, from Delaware to central Florida


apology please



Much of the eastern Gulf of Mexico is subject to a congressional moratorium until 2022, so Congress would need to act to allow leasing in those areas. But Interior said its goal is to schedule lease sales in the eastern gulf for the 2012-2017 program.

The EIS will consider alternatives that may include increasing or decreasing the number or frequency of sales, coastal buffers, limiting areas available for leasing and excluding parts of or entire planning areas.

Specifically, the draft EIS will evaluate offering eight offshore planning areas for leasing including the Beaufort Sea, Chukchi Sea and Cook Inlet offshore Alaska; the western and central Gulf of Mexico and the eastern gulf at least 125 miles off the Florida coast; and the south and mid-Atlantic Coast, from Delaware to central Florida



apology please



Separate from the annual placement of moratorium language in appropriations bills, Congress passed legislation (Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act) in 2006 which allowed new drilling to commence in certain portions of the Gulf of Mexico, but placed nearly all of the Eastern Gulf of Mexico under a leasing and drilling moratorium until 2022.

Florida is protected up to 125 miles of their coastline until 2022.


still waiting for that apology you accused me of scurrying away from .... ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDD ?

That is not a law. No such law exists. You're lying. I already showed you in post #194.
You cite a "law" that doesn't exist to support your wild claims.

Here; try to focus this time.

This bill was introduced in a previous session of Congress and was passed by the Senate on August 1, 2006 but was never passed by the House.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s3711#overview


S. 3711 (109th): Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006

Introduced:
Jul 20, 2006 (109th Congress, 2005–2006)
Status:
Died (Passed Senate) in a previous session of Congress

some portions are open .... Florida is closed until 2022 just like I said ..


The eastern Gulf — an area stretching from 125 to 300 miles off Florida's coast — was singled out for protection by Congress in 2006 as part of a deal with Florida lawmakers that made available 8.3 million acres to oil and gas development in the east-central Gulf. Under that agreement, the protected region is to remain off limits to energy development until 2022.

But the administration had entertained the idea of expanded drilling until the BP spill that spewed an estimated 172 million gallons of oil into the Gulf. In order to open more of the eastern Gulf to drilling, the administration would have to ask Congress to lift the drilling moratorium.

The new plan does not affect the Pacific seaboard, which will remain off-limits to drilling in federal waters.

Lawmakers in Florida praised Wednesday's decision. Drilling in state-controlled waters has long been banned because of fears that a major spill would damage state beaches.

Gov. Charlie Crist called the decision "wonderful news" that would be favorably received by the tourist industry and state residents alike


apology please ..

Old outdated information...hell charlie crist isn't even governor of florida.

You specifically cited Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006 as your source for the law.

I proved to you that there was no such law..now you're thrashing around to try to distort what is really happening so it fits with what you claimed.

I'm not running in circles with you. The "law" you cited doesn't exist and it never did.

 

[Redfish]

Smoke this.

lets see now, 2014 to 2020 -----------you say that is 22 years

OK I misunderestimated -- it's 23 years.

>> The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher—2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant. <<

(study done in 2007; 2030 - 2007 = 23) <<​

Of course the reality of this didn't stop demagogues like John McCain from crowing "drill here drill now" and pretending he could magically tame the runaway gas prices of 2008 in "six months" or whatever the cockamamie campaign bullshit was.

it does not take 5 years from lease to production. the study is flawed in so many ways I don't have the space to lay them out for you.

One point, the ANNOUNCEMENT that the US was going to open new areas for oil production would bring the price of oil down immediately.

Do you have any idea how the futures market works and how oil is traded? Of course you don't. You are a typical libtard who just runs with the talking points. Idiot !!!

 

[Siete]

That is not a law. No such law exists. You're lying. I already showed you in post #194.
You cite a "law" that doesn't exist to support your wild claims.

Here; try to focus this time.

This bill was introduced in a previous session of Congress and was passed by the Senate on August 1, 2006 but was never passed by the House.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s3711#overview


S. 3711 (109th): Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006

Introduced:
Jul 20, 2006 (109th Congress, 2005–2006)
Status:
Died (Passed Senate) in a previous session of Congress

some portions are open .... Florida is closed until 2022 just like I said ..


The eastern Gulf — an area stretching from 125 to 300 miles off Florida's coast — was singled out for protection by Congress in 2006 as part of a deal with Florida lawmakers that made available 8.3 million acres to oil and gas development in the east-central Gulf. Under that agreement, the protected region is to remain off limits to energy development until 2022.

But the administration had entertained the idea of expanded drilling until the BP spill that spewed an estimated 172 million gallons of oil into the Gulf. In order to open more of the eastern Gulf to drilling, the administration would have to ask Congress to lift the drilling moratorium.

The new plan does not affect the Pacific seaboard, which will remain off-limits to drilling in federal waters.

Lawmakers in Florida praised Wednesday's decision. Drilling in state-controlled waters has long been banned because of fears that a major spill would damage state beaches.

Gov. Charlie Crist called the decision "wonderful news" that would be favorably received by the tourist industry and state residents alike


apology please ..

Old outdated information...hell charlie crist isn't even governor of florida.

You specifically cited Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006 as your source for the law.

I proved to you that there was no such law..now you're thrashing around to try to distort what is really happening so it fits with what you claimed.

I'm not running in circles with you. The "law" you cited doesn't exist and it never did.

apparently you're incapable of reading and lack comprehension skills ... correct you are, you're running around in circles dodging the facts, I'm distorting nothing.

 

[Redfish]

some portions are open .... Florida is closed until 2022 just like I said ..


The eastern Gulf — an area stretching from 125 to 300 miles off Florida's coast — was singled out for protection by Congress in 2006 as part of a deal with Florida lawmakers that made available 8.3 million acres to oil and gas development in the east-central Gulf. Under that agreement, the protected region is to remain off limits to energy development until 2022.

But the administration had entertained the idea of expanded drilling until the BP spill that spewed an estimated 172 million gallons of oil into the Gulf. In order to open more of the eastern Gulf to drilling, the administration would have to ask Congress to lift the drilling moratorium.

The new plan does not affect the Pacific seaboard, which will remain off-limits to drilling in federal waters.

Lawmakers in Florida praised Wednesday's decision. Drilling in state-controlled waters has long been banned because of fears that a major spill would damage state beaches.

Gov. Charlie Crist called the decision "wonderful news" that would be favorably received by the tourist industry and state residents alike


apology please ..

Old outdated information...hell charlie crist isn't even governor of florida.

You specifically cited Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006 as your source for the law.

I proved to you that there was no such law..now you're thrashing around to try to distort what is really happening so it fits with what you claimed.

I'm not running in circles with you. The "law" you cited doesn't exist and it never did.

apparently you're incapable of reading and lack comprehension skills ... correct you are, you're running around in circles dodging the facts, I'm distorting nothing.

He destroyed you with facts, you and Pogo need to find a thread that you know something about-----------how about gay dress codes?

 

[Rotagilla]

some portions are open .... Florida is closed until 2022 just like I said ..


The eastern Gulf — an area stretching from 125 to 300 miles off Florida's coast — was singled out for protection by Congress in 2006 as part of a deal with Florida lawmakers that made available 8.3 million acres to oil and gas development in the east-central Gulf. Under that agreement, the protected region is to remain off limits to energy development until 2022.

But the administration had entertained the idea of expanded drilling until the BP spill that spewed an estimated 172 million gallons of oil into the Gulf. In order to open more of the eastern Gulf to drilling, the administration would have to ask Congress to lift the drilling moratorium.

The new plan does not affect the Pacific seaboard, which will remain off-limits to drilling in federal waters.

Lawmakers in Florida praised Wednesday's decision. Drilling in state-controlled waters has long been banned because of fears that a major spill would damage state beaches.

Gov. Charlie Crist called the decision "wonderful news" that would be favorably received by the tourist industry and state residents alike


apology please ..

Old outdated information...hell charlie crist isn't even governor of florida.

You specifically cited Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006 as your source for the law.

I proved to you that there was no such law..now you're thrashing around to try to distort what is really happening so it fits with what you claimed.

I'm not running in circles with you. The "law" you cited doesn't exist and it never did.

apparently you're incapable of reading and lack comprehension skills ... correct you are, you're running around in circles dodging the facts, I'm distorting nothing.

That's nice.
The law you cited doesn't exist and it never did.

 

[Siete]

Old outdated information...hell charlie crist isn't even governor of florida.

You specifically cited Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006 as your source for the law.

I proved to you that there was no such law..now you're thrashing around to try to distort what is really happening so it fits with what you claimed.

I'm not running in circles with you. The "law" you cited doesn't exist and it never did.

apparently you're incapable of reading and lack comprehension skills ... correct you are, you're running around in circles dodging the facts, I'm distorting nothing.

That's nice.
The law you cited doesn't exist and it never did.

https://beta.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/3711


apology please


http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...te_cfm.cfm?&congress=109&session=2&vote=00219

 

[Rotagilla]

apparently you're incapable of reading and lack comprehension skills ... correct you are, you're running around in circles dodging the facts, I'm distorting nothing.

That's nice.
The law you cited doesn't exist and it never did.

https://beta.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/3711


apology please


U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

It is not a law. It never passed the house. It never went to the president. It didn't get signed. It is NOT a law.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

I'm not posting this again. If you don't get it by now it doesn't matter.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s3711#overview

This bill was introduced in a previous session of Congress and was passed by the Senate on August 1, 2006 but was never passed by the House.

S. 3711 (109th): Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006

Introduced:
Jul 20, 2006 (109th Congress, 2005&#8211;2006)
Status:
Died (Passed Senate) in a previous session of Congress


DIED IN CONGRESS..do you see that?
Do you understand what it means? The bill passed the senate but DIED IN CONGRESS.

It is NOT a law.

 

[Siete]

Old outdated information...hell charlie crist isn't even governor of florida.

You specifically cited Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006 as your source for the law.

I proved to you that there was no such law..now you're thrashing around to try to distort what is really happening so it fits with what you claimed.

I'm not running in circles with you. The "law" you cited doesn't exist and it never did.

apparently you're incapable of reading and lack comprehension skills ... correct you are, you're running around in circles dodging the facts, I'm distorting nothing.

He destroyed you with facts, you and Pogo need to find a thread that you know something about-----------how about gay dress codes?

pretty sure the 22 year # comes from a study done in 1999 ....

fact

Potential Oil Production from the Coastal Plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Updated Assessment

 

[Rotagilla]

apparently you're incapable of reading and lack comprehension skills ... correct you are, you're running around in circles dodging the facts, I'm distorting nothing.

He destroyed you with facts, you and Pogo need to find a thread that you know something about-----------how about gay dress codes?

pretty sure the 22 year # comes from a study done in 1999 ....

fact

Potential Oil Production from the Coastal Plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Updated Assessment

fact; the law you cited doesn't exist and it never did.
fact; you're dodging.