Debate Now Can You Choose To Be Gay?

[Road Runner]

Bringing this up because it came up in another topic. I have only one rule. Absolutely NO bashing anybody of the LGBT community (this doesn't include the sin of homosexuality itself) as this isn't what this discussion is about. Me personally, I think sexual preferences are a choice since I chose not to be a creep and attracted to children or animals, but feel free to discuss. (Oh and for the record obviously you choose to be Transgender.)

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Science has never found a genetic or hormonal of other physiological reason for homosexuality.

 

[lg325]

I can only go by my personal observations of others. I would have to say no it is not a choice. When a lady friend of mine discovered she was sexually attracted to women at the age of 14 she tried to commit suicide. When two schoolmates of mine teen boys discovered they were attracted to males they succeeded in committing suicide. So I would have to say it is not a choice. Is it genetic or a conditioned behavior caused by the environment? I don't know.

 

[Road Runner]

I can only go by my personal observations of others. I would have to say no it is not a choice. When a lady friend of mine discovered she was sexually attracted to women at the age of 14 she tried to commit suicide. When two schoolmates of mine teen boys discovered they were attracted to males they succeeded in committing suicide. So I would have to say it is not a choice. Is it genetic or a conditioned behavior caused by the environment? I don't know.

That's a rather surprising response from you since you're a Christian as well. I just don't believe that God makes mistakes and He definitely condemns homosexuality.

 

[Darkwind]

Well, maybe 5% of them are born that way. The other 95% get sucked into it. I'm just sayin.

 

[night_son]

Bringing this up because it came up in another topic. I have only one rule. Absolutely NO bashing anybody of the LGBT community (this doesn't include the sin of homosexuality itself) as this isn't what this discussion is about. Me personally, I think sexual preferences are a choice since I chose not to be a creep and attracted to children or animals, but feel free to discuss. (Oh and for the record obviously you choose to be Transgender.)

Myself I can offer anecdotal comments only. That being said, our family has much experience with this question. Most recently, a niece of mine—a beautiful twenty-one year-old half-Egyptian girl, received an ultimatum from her longtime boyfriend: break up with me and I'll turn gay. Well, break up with him she did. A few weeks later he was dating a guy.

In my family an uncle, an aunt and a cousin are gay—have been for decades. The uncle used to date women up into his thirties, he's sixty-one now, but came out around age thirty-two and stayed in a relationship a guy for twenty years. Since then he's been seeing guy after guy, all of them much younger but over age twenty-one. Stories of his childhood vary depending on who one asks, but the consensus seems to be he was genuinely interested in women at some point in his life. Who knows what happened to change his preference. Either way, he's always been a great uncle although he went totally flaming in his later years.

The aunt married my biological uncle, had two children with him, stayed with him for twelve years and then ran out on him for another woman all of sudden, leaving my two young cousins without a mother for about three years before coming out to the rest of the family. Both cousins suffered greatly in her absence and her son eventually claimed to be gay as well and has been with men since about age nineteen. That aunt's brother is also gay, as are a few other men in her family.

Drawing simply from personal experience, I've always concluded people choose their sexual preference due to some great upheaval or realization or influence in their lives. I do not believe people are born gay. However, as mentioned, that's what I believe based on personal interactions with gay people, most of whom I am related to, some of whom I have known since (my) earliest memories.

 

[lg325]

The homosexual behavior, not the person. Scripture tells us God wants us all to be saved. There maybe be some who choose to be homosexual and reject God's teachings but as I have observed there are those who discovered their sexual urges and choose to reject them.

 

[Road Runner]

The homosexual behavior, not the person. Scripture tells us God wants us all to be saved. There maybe be some who choose to be homosexual and reject God's teachings but as I have observed there are those who discovered their sexual urges and choose to reject them.

Exactly that's what I'm wondering. If it's a sinful behavior, why would people be born gay since God creates everybody?

 

[Devils_Advocate]

In my personal opinion you are born bi-sexual and then you either swing gay, straight or stay bi…

 

[Road Runner]

In my personal opinion you are born bi-sexual

 

[JGalt]

It's a behavior. There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from a gay parent to his or her child.

 

[Road Runner]

It's a behavior. There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from a gay parent to his or her child.

This is sort off topic but I wonder what happened to the Bidens' genes.... that's probably why you're not supposed to be on drugs during pregnancy.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

You can choose anything, including sexuality.
There is also a fact called "porn induced behavior".
Studies done by legitimate organizations have shown "dopamine surges" clearly pushing people into fetishes and experimenting sexually from repeatedly watching porn that falls outside their normal attractions.
The exponential growth of heterosexual anal sex is the best example.
As well as young males engaging in "jerk buddy" groups 100 times more than before porn plastered the internet.
So yes, I believe a person can continue down a path of sexual experimentation and "train his brain" to engage in gay relationships.
And don't get started on the trend of men wanting to be dominated and pegged by women while wearing girly outfits.
And you wonder why the military can't get recruits...
We are losing our men. And fast.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

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Yeah, swing both ways is usually the thing and everyone has a gay thought or two or multiple ones…

 

[jwoodie]

You can choose where to put it.

 

[lg325]

The question, if a person says they choose to be homosexual, does that choice come from conditioning by their environment?

 

[Circe]

Well, maybe 5% of them are born that way. The other 95% get sucked into it. I'm just sayin.

This is what I think. I don't think it is a choice (I surprised myself there! in the vote) because it seems plain homosexuals reproduce by seducing young boys. All those scoutmasters. And priests. And then the boys are imprinted sexually, and that's how they learn to respond, and imprinted that early, that's it for life.

 

[Circe]

Yeah, swing both ways is usually the thing and everyone has a gay thought or two or multiple ones…

Oh........ really?

Huh. That never happened to me: are you SURE it's universal?

Maybe it's a man thing.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The question, if a person says they choose to be homosexual, does that choice come from conditioning by their environment?

Absolutely.
The answer to that is obvious.
Less than 5% of <25 year olds identified as bisexual or gay prior to 2000.
Today - 1 in 5.
20%. That is enormously over any society other than Ancient Greece and Rome.

 

[Circe]

And you wonder why the military can't get recruits...
We are losing our men. And fast.

Actually, the military is mainly complaining that young men are too fat. So I read yesterday. Probably an intro to a new campaign to shape us up, like they did with cigarettes, though.