Can someone explain what has happened to the GOP?

[9thIDdoc]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

Seems to me that you have just acquired some very mistaken ideas about what the average American in general and conservatives in particular value and want. Some people just seem to care more about what the country needs than what party "leaders" want.I'd say that's a good thing.

So you're convinced, then, that what the conservative wing of the GOP wants is what America wants?
.

I don.t care what "conservatives" or the party want. I am concerned about the welfare of the Nation.

 

[oreo]

As to the OP, a sizeable minority of a smaller minority is sick and tired of America not looking like it did 25 years ago, and scared shiteless that they will not even be able to transfer the wealth their parents did by leaving a house to the kids, and they are pissed off because the gop is telling them to get used to it, so they're voting for a fat angry white guy who gives them simplistic answers.

That's a close description--but I don't think there is any fear of children not being able to inherit from their parents.

In 2012 Republicans were EXTREME--making their platform about women's issues, abortion, who's not going to pay for birth control pills, and what is LEGAL-LEGITIMATE rape questions. Romney's fate was sealed long before he even became the nominee of the party. Women were OFFENDED into Obama's column by double digits, younger women by a whopping 36 points. This is what secured a 2nd term for Barack Obama.
Why Romney Lost And Republicans Keep Losing
The GOP's woman problem goes beyond Trump
Gender Gap in 2012 Vote Is Largest in Gallup's History
How women ruled the 2012 election and where the GOP went wrong - CNNPolitics.com

In 2016 Republicans have gone BAT SHIT CRAZY-- Donald Trump and his supporters have chased off another 17% of the population, Hispanics--more if you add in Muslims and Jews--right into Hillary Clinton's lap. Historically, since Reagan the GOP nominee has to capture at least 40% of the Hispanic vote to win the White House, in 2016 they need 46%. Trump is polling at a Negative 75%
GOP Win Will Need More Than 40 Percent Of Latino 2016 Vote, Says Study
Poll: 75% of Latinos Have Negative View of Donald Trump
Latino conservatives: If Donald Trump is the nominee, we will not work to elect him

Republicans are the minority party at 41 million, Democrats are stronger at 46 million, and Independents are the largest party today representing 40% of the entire electorate.

Election history and MATH say that Hillary Clinton is going to paint this country BLUE from sea to shining sea on election night. They also indicate that Republicans will lose the Senate and a ton of seats in the house.

As a life-long Republican myself--I have recently changed my party status to Independent. I can no longer list my name or support a party that demonstrates so much ignorance, hate & political ineptitude. If Donald Trump is the nominee of the Republican party, I will be voting for Hillary Clinton.
Column: Trump exploits rational political ignorance

 

[Dot Com]

May I say..... Cecilie1200 has....for the first time since I've been here....posted several of her patented nasty rants....... aimed at the right people. I ain't gonna lie. It was kind of hot.

Agreed. I was shocked as well.

 

[Metal-Tiger]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

10's of millions of U.S. tokers , with our numbers growing every day , have been more than patient for the "less government / more freedom" GOP to end the 8 decade war against us . . . . . . . but the GOP , obligated to do the bidding of the alcohol , rehab , pharmaceutical , prison for profit industries & moral crusaders has not allowed rational , conservative political action on this issue . You may never know too many tokers , but we will certainly know and remember who acts to end war on us .

 

[Mac1958]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

10's of millions of U.S. tokers , with our numbers growing every day , have been more than patient for the "less government / more freedom" GOP to end the 8 decade war against us . . . . . . . but the GOP , obligated to do the bidding of the alcohol , rehab , pharmaceutical , prison for profit industries & moral crusaders has not allowed rational , conservative political action on this issue . You may never know too many tokers , but we will certainly know and remember who acts to end war on us .

A long time since I heard the word "tokers"!


.

 

[Kondor3]

It's Marxism at it's finest. Everyone is the same. Everyone deserves a trophy. Everyone deserves a free BA. Trouble is the theory never has worked ever. The hilarious irony is in even the most Marxist/Communist/Socialist countries there are ALWAYS the not so secret 1% ers who are the billionaires and who totally control the poor 'proletariat'.

Yeah...

Perhaps, George Carlin, of all people, said it best...

 

[Jackson]

The rest of the world is benefiting from an America that has been the World's ***** on Trade and Immigration.

And is wrong.

Once again, Republicans think trade agreements have to be 100% in your favor to be acceptable.....the real world doesn't work like that

No Republican has said anything to support you claiming that.

Where did you get that?

Where did I get that?

From the party of no compromises

So, you can't support your claim at all.

Good. That's settled.

A President Trump, would for the first time in living memory negotiate from a position of strength and with the interests of the American Worker as his goal AND with world class skill.

Do you understand what strength is?

Making unreasonable demands that the other party will not agree to is not strength. Trump does not have strength with Congress and does not have strength with other nations

Mexico will not pay for his wall
Congress will not repeal Obamacare

Bravado is not strength

Clean your crystal ball...it's dirty

 

[Metal-Tiger]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

10's of millions of U.S. tokers , with our numbers growing every day , have been more than patient for the "less government / more freedom" GOP to end the 8 decade war against us . . . . . . . but the GOP , obligated to do the bidding of the alcohol , rehab , pharmaceutical , prison for profit industries & moral crusaders has not allowed rational , conservative political action on this issue . You may never know too many tokers , but we will certainly know and remember who acts to end war on us .

A long time since I heard the word "tokers"!


.

. . . . . then you must not keep close conversation with citizens who use marijuana / / of course the terminology has changed over the nearly 8 decades that our federal and state governments have been at war with us / / the problems caused by said war have not diminished over the time / / the main thing that has changed is that much more U.S. domestic marijuana is now available and in my case , I haven't even seen anyone selling Mexican marijuana in years - neither have I missed them / / the thing that alarms me is the low response I get from what I have to say about the topic / / looks like little by little the Democrat party is going to earn all the political capital to be had by ending war on tokers ;/)

 

[Montrovant]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

10's of millions of U.S. tokers , with our numbers growing every day , have been more than patient for the "less government / more freedom" GOP to end the 8 decade war against us . . . . . . . but the GOP , obligated to do the bidding of the alcohol , rehab , pharmaceutical , prison for profit industries & moral crusaders has not allowed rational , conservative political action on this issue . You may never know too many tokers , but we will certainly know and remember who acts to end war on us .

A long time since I heard the word "tokers"!


.

. . . . . then you must not keep close conversation with citizens who use marijuana / / of course the terminology has changed over the nearly 8 decades that our federal and state governments have been at war with us / / the problems caused by said war have not diminished over the time / / the main thing that has changed is that much more U.S. domestic marijuana is now available and in my case , I haven't even seen anyone selling Mexican marijuana in years - neither have I missed them / / the thing that alarms me is the low response I get from what I have to say about the topic / / looks like little by little the Democrat party is going to earn all the political capital to be had by ending war on tokers ;/)

I've known quite a few marijuana users and I don't know if I've ever heard one of them use the word 'tokers'.

 

[Correll]

Except we are NOT selling US made goods there. NOt nearly as much as they are selling here.

Alot of that has to do with what is being sold and the make-ups of those companies in Korea and Japan.
Wage pressures are a big concern of course and legacy costs of former employees. "Wages are too high" sound good to you? Ford has to worry about shareholders and it's stock value
Hyundai doesn't have to worry so much about that. Neither does Honda or Toyota. So to placate Wall Street, Ford has to make more profit each successive quarter or they find their stock plummet and their bond rating downgraded. It's the dirty little secret of the market economies...you're not allowed to play the "long game".

Anyway, what it boils down to is that in automobiles, we have trouble competing because of the built-in costs of producing product . America is becoming more competitive as businesses get away from the pension model and pensioner's numbers are flattening out.

On cheaper goods, again, wage pressures are not helping competition.

Is the field 100% level?
No. But even If it were 100% level, those factors would still be there.

And of course, what isn't being shared by Mr Trump is that the CEOs of these companies (who almost all have the same pressures from Wall Street to always be more profitable) are going to have to ignore the other benefits of manufacturing in Singapore instead of Seattle....environmental laws, wage and labor standards, and the simple inertia of "that is what we've always done". Apple has something like $100B in cash. You think they are itching to change their business model?

Regardless of the reasons if we are NOT selling there, then that invalidates your previously stated reason, ie sustainable growth.

How long with the current model do you expect wage stagnation and shrinkage of the Middle Class to continue?

Those are different topics. Sustainable growth is a phenomenon of investing in developing markets on a governmental level so industry can grow there and IBM can sell them servers and data terminals; Bechtel can design their industrial infrastructure, and Taco Bell and McDonalds can sell the workers lunches.

Domestically, the "model" is to pay as little for labor as possible. With more workers than jobs...I don't see it ending soon. Is that Industry's fault? I don't think so. Is that Government's failure? I don't think so. Is that the fault of the workers? I don't think so. I think its simply a function of an accumulation of automation, immigration, and a paradigm shift (of sorts) to where price is the ONLY consideration for most consumers. Service is terrible and workers are street wise enough to know that they are 100% replaceable and will be replaced at the first sign of difficulty in the market....Wal Mart would rather close 269 stores to show Wall Street they are serious about "portfolio management" than tinker with making the stores more profitable and having a bit of a drag on their SSS.

If you're asking me the way "out" of this...I think education is the silver bullet. You have the Secretary of Education (the guy all GOP candidates want to put out of a job) go on prime time and announce that 60 hours of college credit will be made available to all citizens over 18. The 60 Hours will be paid back over the earnings lifetime of the recipients (more per month for older workers indexed to earnings; less per month for younger workers). The reason SEC-ED is doing it is to explain to the guy flipping burgers at McDonalds that he needs to get some serious training unless he likes flipping burgers. So he could use the 60 hours to learn AC/Heating repair or how to operate a bull dozer or whatever; that he would explain to middle aged workers that they need to expand and try to elevate. Workers can make their decisions to take the training, ignore it, etc...

Maybe it works; maybe it doesn't. Having more guys who know how to turn a wrench or run a cutting torch is a net positive for both them and those who buy their services.

Immigration is a government policy. If Immigration, as you just said is part of the reason for Middle Class wage stagnation, (I agree with you) then that is a government failure.

Education is not a "silver bullet".

If the economy is NOT producing the jobs, being educated for jobs that are not there will not help.

AND besides a significant portion of immigrants are educated and are willing to do that job for less than you paid for your degree or certificate.

 

[Metal-Tiger]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

10's of millions of U.S. tokers , with our numbers growing every day , have been more than patient for the "less government / more freedom" GOP to end the 8 decade war against us . . . . . . . but the GOP , obligated to do the bidding of the alcohol , rehab , pharmaceutical , prison for profit industries & moral crusaders has not allowed rational , conservative political action on this issue . You may never know too many tokers , but we will certainly know and remember who acts to end war on us .

A long time since I heard the word "tokers"!


.

. . . . . then you must not keep close conversation with citizens who use marijuana / / of course the terminology has changed over the nearly 8 decades that our federal and state governments have been at war with us / / the problems caused by said war have not diminished over the time / / the main thing that has changed is that much more U.S. domestic marijuana is now available and in my case , I haven't even seen anyone selling Mexican marijuana in years - neither have I missed them / / the thing that alarms me is the low response I get from what I have to say about the topic / / looks like little by little the Democrat party is going to earn all the political capital to be had by ending war on tokers ;/)

I've known quite a few marijuana users and I don't know if I've ever heard one of them use the word 'tokers'.

Google About 934,000 results (0.63 seconds)
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Urban Dictionary
toker
See pothead.

Someone who smokes pot, marijuana, Mary Janes.. yea you know the drill ~ the good stuff!
I'm a smoker.
I'm a joker.
I'm a midnight toker! / Steve Miller Band ;/)

 

[Montrovant]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

10's of millions of U.S. tokers , with our numbers growing every day , have been more than patient for the "less government / more freedom" GOP to end the 8 decade war against us . . . . . . . but the GOP , obligated to do the bidding of the alcohol , rehab , pharmaceutical , prison for profit industries & moral crusaders has not allowed rational , conservative political action on this issue . You may never know too many tokers , but we will certainly know and remember who acts to end war on us .

A long time since I heard the word "tokers"!


.

. . . . . then you must not keep close conversation with citizens who use marijuana / / of course the terminology has changed over the nearly 8 decades that our federal and state governments have been at war with us / / the problems caused by said war have not diminished over the time / / the main thing that has changed is that much more U.S. domestic marijuana is now available and in my case , I haven't even seen anyone selling Mexican marijuana in years - neither have I missed them / / the thing that alarms me is the low response I get from what I have to say about the topic / / looks like little by little the Democrat party is going to earn all the political capital to be had by ending war on tokers ;/)

I've known quite a few marijuana users and I don't know if I've ever heard one of them use the word 'tokers'.

Google About 934,000 results (0.63 seconds)
---------------------------------
Urban Dictionary
toker
See pothead.

Someone who smokes pot, marijuana, Mary Janes.. yea you know the drill ~ the good stuff!
I'm a smoker.
I'm a joker.
I'm a midnight toker! / Steve Miller Band ;/)

I didn't say I had never heard the word; most people have heard that song. What I said is that I don't think I've ever heard a pot smoker refer to those who partake as tokers. That was in response to your comment to Mac that if he hadn't heard the word in a long time he 'must not keep close conversation with citizens who use marijuana'.

 

[rightwinger]

Once again, Republicans think trade agreements have to be 100% in your favor to be acceptable.....the real world doesn't work like that

No Republican has said anything to support you claiming that.

Where did you get that?

Where did I get that?

From the party of no compromises

So, you can't support your claim at all.

Good. That's settled.

A President Trump, would for the first time in living memory negotiate from a position of strength and with the interests of the American Worker as his goal AND with world class skill.

Do you understand what strength is?

Making unreasonable demands that the other party will not agree to is not strength. Trump does not have strength with Congress and does not have strength with other nations

Mexico will not pay for his wall
Congress will not repeal Obamacare

Bravado is not strength

Clean your crystal ball...it's dirty

Not really

I think the crystal ball is becoming clearer to Republicans on just what a Trump candidacy means to the party. The batshit crazy portion of the party will once again be put in their place

 

[Mac1958]

No Republican has said anything to support you claiming that.

Where did you get that?

Where did I get that?

From the party of no compromises

So, you can't support your claim at all.

Good. That's settled.

A President Trump, would for the first time in living memory negotiate from a position of strength and with the interests of the American Worker as his goal AND with world class skill.

Do you understand what strength is?

Making unreasonable demands that the other party will not agree to is not strength. Trump does not have strength with Congress and does not have strength with other nations

Mexico will not pay for his wall
Congress will not repeal Obamacare

Bravado is not strength

Clean your crystal ball...it's dirty

Not really

I think the crystal ball is becoming clearer to Republicans on just what a Trump candidacy means to the party. The batshit crazy portion of the party will once again be put in their place

If they aren't satisfied with their candidate this time around, they're going to keep up the food fight until ******* 2020.

I'd really rather just let them get this out of their system now.
.

 

[Freewill]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

10's of millions of U.S. tokers , with our numbers growing every day , have been more than patient for the "less government / more freedom" GOP to end the 8 decade war against us . . . . . . . but the GOP , obligated to do the bidding of the alcohol , rehab , pharmaceutical , prison for profit industries & moral crusaders has not allowed rational , conservative political action on this issue . You may never know too many tokers , but we will certainly know and remember who acts to end war on us .

A long time since I heard the word "tokers"!


.

. . . . . then you must not keep close conversation with citizens who use marijuana / / of course the terminology has changed over the nearly 8 decades that our federal and state governments have been at war with us / / the problems caused by said war have not diminished over the time / / the main thing that has changed is that much more U.S. domestic marijuana is now available and in my case , I haven't even seen anyone selling Mexican marijuana in years - neither have I missed them / / the thing that alarms me is the low response I get from what I have to say about the topic / / looks like little by little the Democrat party is going to earn all the political capital to be had by ending war on tokers ;/)

I've known quite a few marijuana users and I don't know if I've ever heard one of them use the word 'tokers'.

Google About 934,000 results (0.63 seconds)
---------------------------------
Urban Dictionary
toker
See pothead.

Someone who smokes pot, marijuana, Mary Janes.. yea you know the drill ~ the good stuff!
I'm a smoker.
I'm a joker.
I'm a midnight toker! / Steve Miller Band ;/)

 

[Correll]

Where did I get that?

From the party of no compromises

So, you can't support your claim at all.

Good. That's settled.

A President Trump, would for the first time in living memory negotiate from a position of strength and with the interests of the American Worker as his goal AND with world class skill.

Do you understand what strength is?

Making unreasonable demands that the other party will not agree to is not strength. Trump does not have strength with Congress and does not have strength with other nations

Mexico will not pay for his wall
Congress will not repeal Obamacare

Bravado is not strength

Clean your crystal ball...it's dirty

Not really

I think the crystal ball is becoming clearer to Republicans on just what a Trump candidacy means to the party. The batshit crazy portion of the party will once again be put in their place

If they aren't satisfied with their candidate this time around, they're going to keep up the food fight until ******* 2020.

I'd really rather just let them get this out of their system now.
.

The important aspect of this you are missing Mac, is that the angry people are the rational ones.

It is insane that Enforcing our Immigration laws is considered a radical position.

And this is not going to ever go away.

This will become the new normal, not quite yet. But soon.

 

[Ravi]

So, you can't support your claim at all.

Good. That's settled.

A President Trump, would for the first time in living memory negotiate from a position of strength and with the interests of the American Worker as his goal AND with world class skill.

Do you understand what strength is?

Making unreasonable demands that the other party will not agree to is not strength. Trump does not have strength with Congress and does not have strength with other nations

Mexico will not pay for his wall
Congress will not repeal Obamacare

Bravado is not strength

Clean your crystal ball...it's dirty

Not really

I think the crystal ball is becoming clearer to Republicans on just what a Trump candidacy means to the party. The batshit crazy portion of the party will once again be put in their place

If they aren't satisfied with their candidate this time around, they're going to keep up the food fight until ******* 2020.

I'd really rather just let them get this out of their system now.
.

The important aspect of this you are missing Mac, is that the angry people are the rational ones.

It is insane that Enforcing our Immigration laws is considered a radical position.

And this is not going to ever go away.

This will become the new normal, not quite yet. But soon.

Immigration laws are enforced. If you want to enforce them to a greater extend you need to expand the government and provide the funding.

 

[Freewill]

Where did I get that?

From the party of no compromises

So, you can't support your claim at all.

Good. That's settled.

A President Trump, would for the first time in living memory negotiate from a position of strength and with the interests of the American Worker as his goal AND with world class skill.

Do you understand what strength is?

Making unreasonable demands that the other party will not agree to is not strength. Trump does not have strength with Congress and does not have strength with other nations

Mexico will not pay for his wall
Congress will not repeal Obamacare

Bravado is not strength

Clean your crystal ball...it's dirty

Not really

I think the crystal ball is becoming clearer to Republicans on just what a Trump candidacy means to the party. The batshit crazy portion of the party will once again be put in their place

If they aren't satisfied with their candidate this time around, they're going to keep up the food fight until ******* 2020.

I'd really rather just let them get this out of their system now.
.

I question why this even bothers you? With the wide field in the GOP race this type of behavior is expected. Once the group is whittled down to a few or one you will see whomever act more presidential. It is just a carny show now. Buy some cotton candy and enjoy the bearded lady.

 

[Rustic]

 

[rightwinger]

Where did I get that?

From the party of no compromises

So, you can't support your claim at all.

Good. That's settled.

A President Trump, would for the first time in living memory negotiate from a position of strength and with the interests of the American Worker as his goal AND with world class skill.

Do you understand what strength is?

Making unreasonable demands that the other party will not agree to is not strength. Trump does not have strength with Congress and does not have strength with other nations

Mexico will not pay for his wall
Congress will not repeal Obamacare

Bravado is not strength

Clean your crystal ball...it's dirty

Not really

I think the crystal ball is becoming clearer to Republicans on just what a Trump candidacy means to the party. The batshit crazy portion of the party will once again be put in their place

If they aren't satisfied with their candidate this time around, they're going to keep up the food fight until ******* 2020.

I'd really rather just let them get this out of their system now.
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Even if they pick arch conservative Cruz, they will still claim he was not conservative enough