Who gets the blame for breaking our 250 year old experiment with democracy?

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I suppose one could make the argument the conservatives on the SC get the nod for gutting the VRA. The recent ruling effectively nullifying Sec. 2 of the law, having unleashed a rush by southern states to gerrymander districts with minority representation out of existence. But R gerrymandering was already well on its way before the Court decided to once again legislate from the bench.

Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act, greenlights GOP gerrymanders​

In a 6-3 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court kneecapped the Voting Rights Act (VRA), the landmark civil rights law that restricted racial gerrymandering and racial discrimination in voting for sixty years.

Writing for the majority in Callais v. Louisiana, Justice Samuel Alito wrote that the court was not striking down Section 2 of the VRA, but rather “properly” interpreting it as “impos[ing] liability only when circumstances give rise to a strong inference that intentional discrimination occurred.”

Justice Elena Kagan, in dissent, accused the majority of making changes that “eviscerate the law.”

The ruling effectively invalidates Section 2 of the VRA as it has been understood for four decades without explicitly striking down the statute. It now will require proof of intentional discrimination — something Congress did not write into the law and that’s extremely difficult for plaintiffs to show.


To be sure, both D's and R's have engaged in the ugly practice of gerrymandering throughout our history. Boiled down to its essence, it is and always has been a perversion of a representative democracy. Which is why Dem's tried to pass legislation mandating that independent commissions draw district maps in the future. R's rejected the idea. We're coming to understand why.

AI Overview

H.R. 1 (the For the People Act) and subsequent legislation like the Redistricting Reform Act of 2025
aim to eliminate partisan gerrymandering by requiring all states to use 15-member independent redistricting commissions (IRCs) to draw congressional maps.

So, it appears the hands down winner in causing an unprecedented number of R controlled states to enact legislation allowing for mid-cycle redistricting (which normally happens every 10 years following the census), and the consequent reaction by Dem controlled states to the aforementioned perversion, is.........well........it goes without saying. Of note, R's have typically used their control of state legislatures in order to permit the gerrymandering while D's have sought the input of the people by passing referendums. The VA Supreme Court having taken away the right of majority rule after the people voted to allow for new maps to be drawn.

trump has expressed concern he will be impeached again if the D's take the House in the fall. Then there's the matter of the House holding hearings and using its constitutional authority of oversight (something the R's have abdicated) that also has to be concerning for Don. Though two years isn't nearly long enough to hold the regime to account for all its abuses. Which explains his motivation for trying to rig the midterms in the R's favor. To be clear, rigging the election on a national scale is exactly what he's trying to do. It's an abomination like no other in our history.

But while he is responsible for trying to put another nail in democracy's coffin, is he to blame for the success to date? Or are the R's in control of state legislatures and governor's mansions really to blame? They could have stood up for the principles on which the country was founded like the seven state reps in Indiana did. The ones targeted by trump for being primaried out of office. Nothing prevented Greg Abbott from telling trump he could not in good conscience do what he was being asked. R legislative leaders could have refused to participate in an anti-democratic scheme they knew to be wrong. Voters in IN could have shown their support for the reps who so obviously did the right thing.

The point being trump is powerless without his enablers. He only gets to lead the country down this path if enough people follow. The existential question for the times is how to get them to stop following.
 
Once it was decided that debt no longer mattered we have been on the path to a major crash.
 
The Supreme Court had the opportunity to declare all gerrymandering unconstitutional. They declined and now it is out of control

Political parties are selecting their own voters
 
The point being trump is powerless without his enablers. He only gets to lead the country down this path if enough people follow. The existential question for the times is how to get them to stop following.
MAGA exists within their own, separate informational/cultural ecosystem. I'd trace it back to Limbaugh, then the conservative talk radio copycats, then FOX, then the internet.

A group that is existing within one's own, separate informational/cultural ecosystem is essentially the definition of a cult. The worst part of a cult is that its members will not leave or change based on outside input or prodding. They either open their eyes on their own, or they do not.

I recently watched a documentary on a cult whose leader was in jail for pedophilia, perpetrated on cult grounds. Many of the members still remain, and he is still leading them from his jail cell. They still adore and follow him. It was chilling.

This isn't going away soon. It will fade, but plenty of further damage can be inflicted during that process. That's just a fact of life now.

LEAVING MAGA Support Group
 
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MAGA exists within their own, separate informational/cultural ecosystem. I'd trace it back to Limbaugh, then the conservative talk radio copycats, then FOX, then the internet.

A group that is existing within one's own, separate informational/cultural ecosystem is essentially the definition of a cult. The worst part of a cult is that its members will not leave or change based on outside input or prodding. They either open their eyes on their own, or they do not.

I recently watched a documentary on a cult whose leader was in jail for pedophilia, perpetrated on cult grounds. Many of the members still remain, and he is still leading them from his jail cell. They still adore and follow him. It was chilling.

This isn't going away soon. It will fade, but plenty of further damage can be inflicted during that process. That's just a fact of life now.

LEAVING MAGA Support Group

Mac voted for Obama. The current leader of the Democrat Cult. :laughing0301:
 
The Supreme Court had the opportunity to declare all gerrymandering unconstitutional. They declined and now it is out of control

Political parties are selecting their own voters
The conservatives essentially gave gerrymandering their blessing a few years ago when it said the matter was out of their hands.

AI Overview

In a 5-4 decision on June 27, 2019, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Rucho v. Common Cause that partisan gerrymandering claims present "political questions" beyond the reach of federal courts.

They handed R's a cudgel and they are using it.
 
I suppose one could make the argument the conservatives on the SC get the nod for gutting the VRA. The recent ruling effectively nullifying Sec. 2 of the law, having unleashed a rush by southern states to gerrymander districts with minority representation out of existence. But R gerrymandering was already well on its way before the Court decided to once again legislate from the bench.

Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act, greenlights GOP gerrymanders​

In a 6-3 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court kneecapped the Voting Rights Act (VRA), the landmark civil rights law that restricted racial gerrymandering and racial discrimination in voting for sixty years.

Writing for the majority in Callais v. Louisiana, Justice Samuel Alito wrote that the court was not striking down Section 2 of the VRA, but rather “properly” interpreting it as “impos[ing] liability only when circumstances give rise to a strong inference that intentional discrimination occurred.”

Justice Elena Kagan, in dissent, accused the majority of making changes that “eviscerate the law.”

The ruling effectively invalidates Section 2 of the VRA as it has been understood for four decades without explicitly striking down the statute. It now will require proof of intentional discrimination — something Congress did not write into the law and that’s extremely difficult for plaintiffs to show.


To be sure, both D's and R's have engaged in the ugly practice of gerrymandering throughout our history. Boiled down to its essence, it is and always has been a perversion of a representative democracy. Which is why Dem's tried to pass legislation mandating that independent commissions draw district maps in the future. R's rejected the idea. We're coming to understand why.

AI Overview

H.R. 1 (the For the People Act) and subsequent legislation like the Redistricting Reform Act of 2025
aim to eliminate partisan gerrymandering by requiring all states to use 15-member independent redistricting commissions (IRCs) to draw congressional maps.

So, it appears the hands down winner in causing an unprecedented number of R controlled states to enact legislation allowing for mid-cycle redistricting (which normally happens every 10 years following the census), and the consequent reaction by Dem controlled states to the aforementioned perversion, is.........well........it goes without saying. Of note, R's have typically used their control of state legislatures in order to permit the gerrymandering while D's have sought the input of the people by passing referendums. The VA Supreme Court having taken away the right of majority rule after the people voted to allow for new maps to be drawn.

trump has expressed concern he will be impeached again if the D's take the House in the fall. Then there's the matter of the House holding hearings and using its constitutional authority of oversight (something the R's have abdicated) that also has to be concerning for Don. Though two years isn't nearly long enough to hold the regime to account for all its abuses. Which explains his motivation for trying to rig the midterms in the R's favor. To be clear, rigging the election on a national scale is exactly what he's trying to do. It's an abomination like no other in our history.

But while he is responsible for trying to put another nail in democracy's coffin, is he to blame for the success to date? Or are the R's in control of state legislatures and governor's mansions really to blame? They could have stood up for the principles on which the country was founded like the seven state reps in Indiana did. The ones targeted by trump for being primaried out of office. Nothing prevented Greg Abbott from telling trump he could not in good conscience do what he was being asked. R legislative leaders could have refused to participate in an anti-democratic scheme they knew to be wrong. Voters in IN could have shown their support for the reps who so obviously did the right thing.

The point being trump is powerless without his enablers. He only gets to lead the country down this path if enough people follow. The existential question for the times is how to get them to stop following.

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This isn't going away soon. It will fade, but plenty of further damage can be inflicted during that process. That's just a fact of life now.
If the nation as a whole does not recognize the enormous errors in judgement that have been made, and correct them, then the best years of America are behind us.
 
I suppose one could make the argument the conservatives on the SC get the nod for gutting the VRA......

i stopped reading here.

I'm done... doing shit for blacks.

They want representation, get elected on your own, and in competetive districts.

YOu want help from me? Here is some advice, stop listening to leftards.

Good luck.

Now, stop whining at me. I don't want to spend the energy it takes to dismiss you.
 
They want representation, get elected on your own, and in competetive districts.
Somehow, you missed the point that the endeavor R's in southern states are currently engaged in is to draw maps demographically favoring white Repubs. A district in Memphis that has existed in its current form since 1932 is being broken in to pieces for the aforementioned purpose.
 
Schumer has been in DC for 20% of the time that we've been a nation, I forgot the point I was trying to make
 
Somehow, you missed the point that the endeavor R's in southern states are currently engaged in is to draw maps demographically favoring white Repubs. A district in Memphis that has existed in its current form since 1932 is being broken in to pieces for the aforementioned purpose.

How many Italian or Irish congressional districts exist?
 
Somehow, you missed the point that the endeavor R's in southern states are currently engaged in is to draw maps demographically favoring white Repubs. A district in Memphis that has existed in its current form since 1932 is being broken in to pieces for the aforementioned purpose.

Your focus on race is of no interest to me. I'm done worrying about blacks.

Now, GERRYMANDERING FOR PARTISAN ADVANTAGE?

Now, that's a valid topic.

And one I am glad to see some republicans playing hardball.


You want reform to make districts more representative of local COMMUNITIES, intead of racial or partisan?

You first.
 
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The new voting districts approved Thursday could give Republicans a chance to win all nine of the state's congressional seats in the November midterm elections.

Black people make up 17% of TN's population. The R controlled legislature wants to strip them of their political influence.
 
Democrats have long failed to understand that "You MAY NOT discriminate on the basis of race," does NOT mean, "You MUST discriminate on the basis of race." It's just that simple. Race should play no part in the process. If it does, that is a violation of the 14th Amendment.

In my view, demographics should not even be a part of the data provided to whomever is creating the maps, and neither should party registration. Just draw the districts to make logical groupings of cities, towns, and communities.
 
Your focus on race is of no interest to me. I'm done worrying about blacks.
Yes, that's well understood.

You may not be interested on the focus on race, but I assure you R controlled legislatures in the south are very interested.
 
The new voting districts approved Thursday could give Republicans a chance to win all nine of the state's congressional seats in the November midterm elections.

Black people make up 17% of TN's population. The R controlled legislature wants to strip them of their political influence.

It is our turn. And you are making it hard for us to have our turn.

What did you think our reaction was going to be, to just meekly turn the other cheek?

I appreciate your help. The gop would never had gone this hard, if you people hadn't been complete dicks for decades.


You should watch this.


 
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