Who gets the blame for breaking our 250 year old experiment with democracy?

Will this issue lead to the reordering of the federal constitution?

  • yes

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • no

    Votes: 2 66.7%

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What? How does that render my declaration that the Constitution is the problem?
Because it hasn't been followed in more than a century...What you're doing is saying it's the fault of the motor in your car failing, because you didn't change the oil and do routine maintenance.
People believe that the Constitution does something, and I would hope that they believe it controls the decision-making for a diverse society, the enforcement of civil rights, and the just application of penalties.
Which people?
I do not understand your argument that the Constitution "hasn't been in effect." Are the elections my imagination? Are the ICE and military operations just my imagination?
Elections?!?!...You actually think we're following the Constitution because of bloody phuking elections?..OMG! :laugh:

Go back and look at the very short list I provided...That's not the half of the usurpations and outright ignoring of the charter...We're so far from the Constitution being "in effect" that it'd be laughable, if it weren't such a danger to everyone on the planet.
 
I suppose one could make the argument the conservatives on the SC get the nod for gutting the VRA. The recent ruling effectively nullifying Sec. 2 of the law, having unleashed a rush by southern states to gerrymander districts with minority representation out of existence. But R gerrymandering was already well on its way before the Court decided to once again legislate from the bench.

Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act, greenlights GOP gerrymanders​

In a 6-3 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court kneecapped the Voting Rights Act (VRA), the landmark civil rights law that restricted racial gerrymandering and racial discrimination in voting for sixty years.

Writing for the majority in Callais v. Louisiana, Justice Samuel Alito wrote that the court was not striking down Section 2 of the VRA, but rather “properly” interpreting it as “impos[ing] liability only when circumstances give rise to a strong inference that intentional discrimination occurred.”

Justice Elena Kagan, in dissent, accused the majority of making changes that “eviscerate the law.”

The ruling effectively invalidates Section 2 of the VRA as it has been understood for four decades without explicitly striking down the statute. It now will require proof of intentional discrimination — something Congress did not write into the law and that’s extremely difficult for plaintiffs to show.


To be sure, both D's and R's have engaged in the ugly practice of gerrymandering throughout our history. Boiled down to its essence, it is and always has been a perversion of a representative democracy. Which is why Dem's tried to pass legislation mandating that independent commissions draw district maps in the future. R's rejected the idea. We're coming to understand why.

AI Overview

H.R. 1 (the For the People Act) and subsequent legislation like the Redistricting Reform Act of 2025
aim to eliminate partisan gerrymandering by requiring all states to use 15-member independent redistricting commissions (IRCs) to draw congressional maps.

So, it appears the hands down winner in causing an unprecedented number of R controlled states to enact legislation allowing for mid-cycle redistricting (which normally happens every 10 years following the census), and the consequent reaction by Dem controlled states to the aforementioned perversion, is.........well........it goes without saying. Of note, R's have typically used their control of state legislatures in order to permit the gerrymandering while D's have sought the input of the people by passing referendums. The VA Supreme Court having taken away the right of majority rule after the people voted to allow for new maps to be drawn.

trump has expressed concern he will be impeached again if the D's take the House in the fall. Then there's the matter of the House holding hearings and using its constitutional authority of oversight (something the R's have abdicated) that also has to be concerning for Don. Though two years isn't nearly long enough to hold the regime to account for all its abuses. Which explains his motivation for trying to rig the midterms in the R's favor. To be clear, rigging the election on a national scale is exactly what he's trying to do. It's an abomination like no other in our history.

But while he is responsible for trying to put another nail in democracy's coffin, is he to blame for the success to date? Or are the R's in control of state legislatures and governor's mansions really to blame? They could have stood up for the principles on which the country was founded like the seven state reps in Indiana did. The ones targeted by trump for being primaried out of office. Nothing prevented Greg Abbott from telling trump he could not in good conscience do what he was being asked. R legislative leaders could have refused to participate in an anti-democratic scheme they knew to be wrong. Voters in IN could have shown their support for the reps who so obviously did the right thing.

The point being trump is powerless without his enablers. He only gets to lead the country down this path if enough people follow. The existential question for the times is how to get them to stop following.
Democrats want to rewrite the Constitution in order to make supporting Democrat corruption and perversion mandatory.
 
Wanting to get to accurate vote counts by recounts of disputed ballots is not attempting to steal an election. Stealing an election is what the SC did when it took stopped the recount process and handed the election to Bush.

Wanting to get a selective recount ONLY OF DISTRICTS WHERE YOU KNOW YOU HAD A STRONG PARTISAN MAJORITY,

is an attempt to steal an election.


That you deny that, is proof that you are a shit talker and that your words have no credibility.

Allow me to cut through your bullshit by noting no president in US history has ever enlisted the help of R controlled state legislatures to rig a national election.

Hey, remember when your DEEP STATE in the cia and fbi worked together to run an illegal operation AGAINST the American people to sway an election?

And it worked?
 
I suppose one could make the argument the conservatives on the SC get the nod for gutting the VRA. The recent ruling effectively nullifying Sec. 2 of the law, having unleashed a rush by southern states to gerrymander districts with minority representation out of existence. But R gerrymandering was already well on its way before the Court decided to once again legislate from the bench.

Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act, greenlights GOP gerrymanders​

In a 6-3 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court kneecapped the Voting Rights Act (VRA), the landmark civil rights law that restricted racial gerrymandering and racial discrimination in voting for sixty years.

Writing for the majority in Callais v. Louisiana, Justice Samuel Alito wrote that the court was not striking down Section 2 of the VRA, but rather “properly” interpreting it as “impos[ing] liability only when circumstances give rise to a strong inference that intentional discrimination occurred.”

Justice Elena Kagan, in dissent, accused the majority of making changes that “eviscerate the law.”

The ruling effectively invalidates Section 2 of the VRA as it has been understood for four decades without explicitly striking down the statute. It now will require proof of intentional discrimination — something Congress did not write into the law and that’s extremely difficult for plaintiffs to show.


To be sure, both D's and R's have engaged in the ugly practice of gerrymandering throughout our history. Boiled down to its essence, it is and always has been a perversion of a representative democracy. Which is why Dem's tried to pass legislation mandating that independent commissions draw district maps in the future. R's rejected the idea. We're coming to understand why.

AI Overview

H.R. 1 (the For the People Act) and subsequent legislation like the Redistricting Reform Act of 2025
aim to eliminate partisan gerrymandering by requiring all states to use 15-member independent redistricting commissions (IRCs) to draw congressional maps.

So, it appears the hands down winner in causing an unprecedented number of R controlled states to enact legislation allowing for mid-cycle redistricting (which normally happens every 10 years following the census), and the consequent reaction by Dem controlled states to the aforementioned perversion, is.........well........it goes without saying. Of note, R's have typically used their control of state legislatures in order to permit the gerrymandering while D's have sought the input of the people by passing referendums. The VA Supreme Court having taken away the right of majority rule after the people voted to allow for new maps to be drawn.

trump has expressed concern he will be impeached again if the D's take the House in the fall. Then there's the matter of the House holding hearings and using its constitutional authority of oversight (something the R's have abdicated) that also has to be concerning for Don. Though two years isn't nearly long enough to hold the regime to account for all its abuses. Which explains his motivation for trying to rig the midterms in the R's favor. To be clear, rigging the election on a national scale is exactly what he's trying to do. It's an abomination like no other in our history.

But while he is responsible for trying to put another nail in democracy's coffin, is he to blame for the success to date? Or are the R's in control of state legislatures and governor's mansions really to blame? They could have stood up for the principles on which the country was founded like the seven state reps in Indiana did. The ones targeted by trump for being primaried out of office. Nothing prevented Greg Abbott from telling trump he could not in good conscience do what he was being asked. R legislative leaders could have refused to participate in an anti-democratic scheme they knew to be wrong. Voters in IN could have shown their support for the reps who so obviously did the right thing.

The point being trump is powerless without his enablers. He only gets to lead the country down this path if enough people follow. The existential question for the times is how to get them to stop following.


We aren't a democracy, and the word 'democracy' isn't in the Constitution.

BTW, Massachusetts hasn't had a Republican House member since January 1997 because they were gerrymandered out.
 
The Supreme Court had the opportunity to declare all gerrymandering unconstitutional. They declined and now it is out of control

Political parties are selecting their own voters
I would not have been supportive of "declare(ing) all gerrymandering unconstitutional."

It's the abuse of things that matter. Some things have to be acceptable in a democracy - and tolerable. "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater" is rarely ever a good idea. Unacceptable unnintended consequences are guaranteed.
 
I would not have been supportive of "declare(ing) all gerrymandering unconstitutional."

It's the abuse of things that matter. Some things have to be acceptable in a democracy - and tolerable. "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater" is rarely ever a good idea. Unacceptable unnintended consequences are guaranteed.

Political affiliation and demographics should not be allowed in setting districts
 
Political affiliation and demographics should not be allowed in setting districts

"Perfect is the enemy of good?"

Human nature, and the fact that the US survived it for generations -- until Trump. If people go with your suggestion Trump actually wins. HE controls things.
 
How many does Connecticut have?
Ok. Connecticut and Massachusetts. You know very well that the pic/map you posted is deliberately misleading. Most of those states are literally impossible to gerrymander
 
Ok. Connecticut and Massachusetts. You know very well that the pic/map you posted is deliberately misleading. Most of those states are literally impossible to gerrymander

How about New Mexico?

You don't think congressional districts are planned to benefit the Democrats in New England?
 
How about New Mexico?

You don't think congressional districts are planned to benefit the Democrats in New England?
Three congressional districts, so I suppose some minor gerrymandering possible

Effective gerrymandering is obviously geared toward states with more districts to shift around

again, most of the states in New England have 1-2 districts
 
Three congressional districts, so I suppose some minor gerrymandering possible

Effective gerrymandering is obviously geared toward states with more districts to shift around

again, most of the states in New England have 1-2 districts

You don't think maps can be drawn to give the Republicans a seat or two in New England?



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I suppose one could make the argument the conservatives on the SC get the nod for gutting the VRA. The recent ruling effectively nullifying Sec. 2 of the law, having unleashed a rush by southern states to gerrymander districts with minority representation out of existence. But R gerrymandering was already well on its way before the Court decided to once again legislate from the bench.

Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act, greenlights GOP gerrymanders​

In a 6-3 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court kneecapped the Voting Rights Act (VRA), the landmark civil rights law that restricted racial gerrymandering and racial discrimination in voting for sixty years.

Writing for the majority in Callais v. Louisiana, Justice Samuel Alito wrote that the court was not striking down Section 2 of the VRA, but rather “properly” interpreting it as “impos[ing] liability only when circumstances give rise to a strong inference that intentional discrimination occurred.”

Justice Elena Kagan, in dissent, accused the majority of making changes that “eviscerate the law.”

The ruling effectively invalidates Section 2 of the VRA as it has been understood for four decades without explicitly striking down the statute. It now will require proof of intentional discrimination — something Congress did not write into the law and that’s extremely difficult for plaintiffs to show.


To be sure, both D's and R's have engaged in the ugly practice of gerrymandering throughout our history. Boiled down to its essence, it is and always has been a perversion of a representative democracy. Which is why Dem's tried to pass legislation mandating that independent commissions draw district maps in the future. R's rejected the idea. We're coming to understand why.

AI Overview

H.R. 1 (the For the People Act) and subsequent legislation like the Redistricting Reform Act of 2025
aim to eliminate partisan gerrymandering by requiring all states to use 15-member independent redistricting commissions (IRCs) to draw congressional maps.

So, it appears the hands down winner in causing an unprecedented number of R controlled states to enact legislation allowing for mid-cycle redistricting (which normally happens every 10 years following the census), and the consequent reaction by Dem controlled states to the aforementioned perversion, is.........well........it goes without saying. Of note, R's have typically used their control of state legislatures in order to permit the gerrymandering while D's have sought the input of the people by passing referendums. The VA Supreme Court having taken away the right of majority rule after the people voted to allow for new maps to be drawn.

trump has expressed concern he will be impeached again if the D's take the House in the fall. Then there's the matter of the House holding hearings and using its constitutional authority of oversight (something the R's have abdicated) that also has to be concerning for Don. Though two years isn't nearly long enough to hold the regime to account for all its abuses. Which explains his motivation for trying to rig the midterms in the R's favor. To be clear, rigging the election on a national scale is exactly what he's trying to do. It's an abomination like no other in our history.

But while he is responsible for trying to put another nail in democracy's coffin, is he to blame for the success to date? Or are the R's in control of state legislatures and governor's mansions really to blame? They could have stood up for the principles on which the country was founded like the seven state reps in Indiana did. The ones targeted by trump for being primaried out of office. Nothing prevented Greg Abbott from telling trump he could not in good conscience do what he was being asked. R legislative leaders could have refused to participate in an anti-democratic scheme they knew to be wrong. Voters in IN could have shown their support for the reps who so obviously did the right thing.

The point being trump is powerless without his enablers. He only gets to lead the country down this path if enough people follow. The existential question for the times is how to get them to stop following.

Didn't vote, don't know.

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“Who gets the blame for breaking our 250 year old experiment with democracy?”

Trump, Republicans, and a Supreme Court dominated by blind partisan Republican hacks and conservative ideologues.
 
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“Will this issue lead to the reordering of the federal constitution?”

Unfortunately, not.

The damage done by Trump, Republicans, and a conservative Court is irreparable – which will result in the tyranny of Republican minority rule.
 
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