Can Atheists be Moral?

[ding]

Come out of the closet already and openly be a proud Jew hating, anti Jesus, trinity worshipping, mangod eating pagan if thats how you want to go through life.. No need to hide behind the veil of monotheism, pretend you love Jesus the Jew, and walk around with a bible as a disguise.

Don't be shy. Let it all hang out. Its a free country!

I've never been accused of being shy before.

I'm a pagan? Cool.

I think it might be time for me to keep a running list of YOUR inconsistencies. What do you think?

 

[BreezeWood]

You worship a trinity that became an edible man. How can you possibly deny what you openly profess to believe?

I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY,
MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH,
OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE.
I BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST,
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,
BORN OF THE FATHER BEFORE ALL AGES.
GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT,
TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD,
BEGOTTEN, NOT MADE, CONSUBSTANTIAL
WITH THE FATHER;
THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE.
FOR US MEN AND FOR OUR SALVATION
HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
AND BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS INCARNATE
OF THE VIRGIN MARY,
AND BECAME MAN.
FOR OUR SAKE HE WAS CRUCIFIED
UNDER PONTIUS PILATE,
HE SUFFERED DEATH AND WAS BURIED,
AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE THIRD DAY
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCRIPTURES.
HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN
AND IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER.
HE WILL COME AGAIN IN GLORY
TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD
AND HIS KINGDOM WILL HAVE NO END.
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THE LORD, THE GIVER OF LIFE,
WHO PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON,
WHO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON
IS ADORED AND GLORIFIED,
WHO HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS.
I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
I CONFESS ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE RESURRECTION
OF THE DEAD AND THE LIFE OF THE WORLD TO COME.
AMEN.

.

I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.

they had a good time of it in the 4th century tying (forging) everything together ... including bing. the sinner.

- which of the three above is one ...

 

[hobelim]

Come out of the closet already and openly be a proud Jew hating, anti Jesus, trinity worshipping, mangod eating pagan if thats how you want to go through life.. No need to hide behind the veil of monotheism, pretend you love Jesus the Jew, and walk around with a bible as a disguise.

Don't be shy. Let it all hang out. Its a free country!

I've never been accused of being shy before.

I'm a pagan? Cool.

I think it might be time for me to keep a running list of YOUR inconsistencies. What do you think?

Well, no actually. Sorry. To call you a pagan would be an insult to pagans.

Lets see.

You have the form and shape of a flabby human being but an intelligence just slightly above that of a monkey.

You say you are a sinner, then claim that because you believe that God is edible you eat him and are saved even though you don't stop sinning. I point out the absurdity of it all to you and then you call me an atheist Jew as if that makes your beliefs less insane.

Perhaps there should be a new creature added to the forbidden list on the divine menu.

Let us call it the spineless brown nosed dingbat, a vile and loathsome creature that crawls on its belly by day, and nests in the butt crack of the Nachash by night..

So let it be written. So let it be done.

 

[ding]

You worship a trinity that became an edible man. How can you possibly deny what you openly profess to believe?

I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY,
MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH,
OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE.
I BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST,
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,
BORN OF THE FATHER BEFORE ALL AGES.
GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT,
TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD,
BEGOTTEN, NOT MADE, CONSUBSTANTIAL
WITH THE FATHER;
THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE.
FOR US MEN AND FOR OUR SALVATION
HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
AND BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS INCARNATE
OF THE VIRGIN MARY,
AND BECAME MAN.
FOR OUR SAKE HE WAS CRUCIFIED
UNDER PONTIUS PILATE,
HE SUFFERED DEATH AND WAS BURIED,
AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE THIRD DAY
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCRIPTURES.
HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN
AND IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER.
HE WILL COME AGAIN IN GLORY
TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD
AND HIS KINGDOM WILL HAVE NO END.
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THE LORD, THE GIVER OF LIFE,
WHO PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON,
WHO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON
IS ADORED AND GLORIFIED,
WHO HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS.
I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
I CONFESS ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE RESURRECTION
OF THE DEAD AND THE LIFE OF THE WORLD TO COME.
AMEN.

.

I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.

they had a good time of it in the 4th century tying (forging) everything together ... including bing. the sinner.

- which of the three above is one ...

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

 

[ding]

Come out of the closet already and openly be a proud Jew hating, anti Jesus, trinity worshipping, mangod eating pagan if thats how you want to go through life.. No need to hide behind the veil of monotheism, pretend you love Jesus the Jew, and walk around with a bible as a disguise.

Don't be shy. Let it all hang out. Its a free country!

I've never been accused of being shy before.

I'm a pagan? Cool.

I think it might be time for me to keep a running list of YOUR inconsistencies. What do you think?

Well, no actually. Sorry. To call you a pagan would be an insult to pagans.

Lets see.

You have the form and shape of a flabby human being but an intelligence just slightly above that of a monkey.

You say you are a sinner, then claim that because you believe that God is edible you eat him and are saved even though you don't stop sinning. I point out the absurdity of it all to you and then you call me an atheist Jew as if that makes your beliefs less insane.

Perhaps there should be a new creature added to the forbidden list on the divine menu.

Let us call it the spineless brown nosed dingbat, a vile and loathsome creature that crawls on its belly by day, and nests in the butt crack of the Nachash by night..

So let it be written. So let it be done.

I don’t usually see atheists make the arguments of extreme religious fundamentalists but you and breezewood are the exceptions.

 

[BreezeWood]

You worship a trinity that became an edible man. How can you possibly deny what you openly profess to believe?

I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY,
MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH,
OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE.
I BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST,
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,
BORN OF THE FATHER BEFORE ALL AGES.
GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT,
TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD,
BEGOTTEN, NOT MADE, CONSUBSTANTIAL
WITH THE FATHER;
THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE.
FOR US MEN AND FOR OUR SALVATION
HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
AND BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS INCARNATE
OF THE VIRGIN MARY,
AND BECAME MAN.
FOR OUR SAKE HE WAS CRUCIFIED
UNDER PONTIUS PILATE,
HE SUFFERED DEATH AND WAS BURIED,
AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE THIRD DAY
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCRIPTURES.
HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN
AND IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER.
HE WILL COME AGAIN IN GLORY
TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD
AND HIS KINGDOM WILL HAVE NO END.
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THE LORD, THE GIVER OF LIFE,
WHO PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON,
WHO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON
IS ADORED AND GLORIFIED,
WHO HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS.
I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
I CONFESS ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE RESURRECTION
OF THE DEAD AND THE LIFE OF THE WORLD TO COME.
AMEN.

.

I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.

they had a good time of it in the 4th century tying (forging) everything together ... including bing. the sinner.

- which of the three above is one ...

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

.

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

you are wrong bing, your soliloquy was invented in the 4th century ...


Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.


in fact over the entire 4th century that had no bearing from the 1st century perspective but represents a political objective that is disguised as a religion.

also to say you are a sinner is to modest, your above beliefs are evil in that you attribute them to a century and individuals that were persecuted for the exact opposite and you use their suffering to promote your own political views the opposite they died for.

they were not sinners, the 1st century and stood for collective charity they would rather have been killed than subject themselves to such an awful belief as those you portray, christianity.

 

[ding]

You worship a trinity that became an edible man. How can you possibly deny what you openly profess to believe?

I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY,
MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH,
OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE.
I BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST,
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,
BORN OF THE FATHER BEFORE ALL AGES.
GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT,
TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD,
BEGOTTEN, NOT MADE, CONSUBSTANTIAL
WITH THE FATHER;
THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE.
FOR US MEN AND FOR OUR SALVATION
HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
AND BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS INCARNATE
OF THE VIRGIN MARY,
AND BECAME MAN.
FOR OUR SAKE HE WAS CRUCIFIED
UNDER PONTIUS PILATE,
HE SUFFERED DEATH AND WAS BURIED,
AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE THIRD DAY
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCRIPTURES.
HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN
AND IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER.
HE WILL COME AGAIN IN GLORY
TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD
AND HIS KINGDOM WILL HAVE NO END.
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THE LORD, THE GIVER OF LIFE,
WHO PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON,
WHO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON
IS ADORED AND GLORIFIED,
WHO HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS.
I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
I CONFESS ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE RESURRECTION
OF THE DEAD AND THE LIFE OF THE WORLD TO COME.
AMEN.

.

I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.

they had a good time of it in the 4th century tying (forging) everything together ... including bing. the sinner.

- which of the three above is one ...

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

.

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

you are wrong bing, your soliloquy was invented in the 4th century ...


Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.


in fact over the entire 4th century that had no bearing from the 1st century perspective but represents a political objective that is disguised as a religion.

also to say you are a sinner is to modest, your above beliefs are evil in that you attribute them to a century and individuals that were persecuted for the exact opposite and you use their suffering to promote your own political views the opposite they died for.

they were not sinners, the 1st century and stood for collective charity they would rather have been killed than subject themselves to such an awful belief as those you portray, christianity.

Where did the Roman Catholic Church come from?
The Church at Rome, which would later develop into what we know as Roman Catholicism, was started in the apostolic times (circa AD 30-95). Although we do not have records of the first Christian missionaries to Rome, it is obvious that a church existed there as the New Testament Scriptures were being written. St. Paul himself wrote an epistle to the church at Rome, and the Book of Acts records some of his dealings there. St. Clement of Rome (ca. 35-99), St. Ignatius of Antioch (35-108), and St. Irenaeus of Lyons (130-202) all speak as if St. Simon Peter ministered in Rome, serving as its first bishop (the term “bishop” is an English contraction of the biblical Greek word episkopos, often translated as “overseer” in modern Protestant translations of the New Testament). Tertullian (ca. 155-240) reported that Peter died in the same place as Paul, and it is commonly believed that Paul was martyred in Rome. Since both Peter and Paul were such important and prominent apostles, Rome became an important pilgrimage site for Christians who wanted to visit their graves and worship near where they were buried...

What Is Catholicism? - History, Tradition & Beliefs

 

[BreezeWood]

You worship a trinity that became an edible man. How can you possibly deny what you openly profess to believe?

I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY,
MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH,
OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE.
I BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST,
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,
BORN OF THE FATHER BEFORE ALL AGES.
GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT,
TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD,
BEGOTTEN, NOT MADE, CONSUBSTANTIAL
WITH THE FATHER;
THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE.
FOR US MEN AND FOR OUR SALVATION
HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
AND BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS INCARNATE
OF THE VIRGIN MARY,
AND BECAME MAN.
FOR OUR SAKE HE WAS CRUCIFIED
UNDER PONTIUS PILATE,
HE SUFFERED DEATH AND WAS BURIED,
AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE THIRD DAY
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCRIPTURES.
HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN
AND IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER.
HE WILL COME AGAIN IN GLORY
TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD
AND HIS KINGDOM WILL HAVE NO END.
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THE LORD, THE GIVER OF LIFE,
WHO PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON,
WHO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON
IS ADORED AND GLORIFIED,
WHO HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS.
I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
I CONFESS ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE RESURRECTION
OF THE DEAD AND THE LIFE OF THE WORLD TO COME.
AMEN.

.

I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.

they had a good time of it in the 4th century tying (forging) everything together ... including bing. the sinner.

- which of the three above is one ...

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

.

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

you are wrong bing, your soliloquy was invented in the 4th century ...


Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.


in fact over the entire 4th century that had no bearing from the 1st century perspective but represents a political objective that is disguised as a religion.

also to say you are a sinner is to modest, your above beliefs are evil in that you attribute them to a century and individuals that were persecuted for the exact opposite and you use their suffering to promote your own political views the opposite they died for.

they were not sinners, the 1st century and stood for collective charity they would rather have been killed than subject themselves to such an awful belief as those you portray, christianity.

Where did the Roman Catholic Church come from?
The Church at Rome, which would later develop into what we know as Roman Catholicism, was started in the apostolic times (circa AD 30-95). Although we do not have records of the first Christian missionaries to Rome, it is obvious that a church existed there as the New Testament Scriptures were being written. St. Paul himself wrote an epistle to the church at Rome, and the Book of Acts records some of his dealings there. St. Clement of Rome (ca. 35-99), St. Ignatius of Antioch (35-108), and St. Irenaeus of Lyons (130-202) all speak as if St. Simon Peter ministered in Rome, serving as its first bishop (the term “bishop” is an English contraction of the biblical Greek word episkopos, often translated as “overseer” in modern Protestant translations of the New Testament). Tertullian (ca. 155-240) reported that Peter died in the same place as Paul, and it is commonly believed that Paul was martyred in Rome. Since both Peter and Paul were such important and prominent apostles, Rome became an important pilgrimage site for Christians who wanted to visit their graves and worship near where they were buried...

What Is Catholicism? - History, Tradition & Beliefs

.
you do realize your soliloquy was written (for you) in the 4th century - what you profess to believe.


The title Symbolum Apostolicum (Symbol or Creed of the Apostles) appears for the first time in a letter, probably written by Ambrose, from a Council in Milan to Pope Siricius in about AD 390 ...


and has nothing to do with the events of the 1st century, that is you are a devout fraud, bing culpable to the persecution and victimization of the innocent since that time you have chosen for your life's path.

 

[sealybobo]

Depends. What is 2 + 2. Do you have an opinion on that or is the universal answer 4?

Something like god shouldn't be subjective should it? He either came and visited 2000 years ago or he didn't. See where I'm going with this? You should.

What I'm getting from your comment is that your religion is just the main religion in your neck of the woods. And even in your neck of the woods yall can't even agree on such things as who goes to heaven, what gets you to heaven, if there is a hell, etc.....

No wonder so many people in the world don't believe the Jesus myth.

You don’t have to be a Christian to move towards God. You only have to desire a relationship with the Creator of existence. You will never understand what I am saying until you test this for yourself.

Then you aren't a Christian

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Oh now we will get to hear DING's spin on this. His translation. Let's hear it Ding.

And sorry ding but I've told you before that I already tested your theory for a couple decades. I was kidding myself. You couldn't want it any more than I did. I thought I had a personal relationship with god, then I woke up. Even after I woke up I would find myself talking to god when I was walking or driving around. I had to remind myself I'm talking to nothing.

It really drives you crazy that I don't argue you have to be Christian to go to heaven, doesn't it?

Just curious, is that what your father believes? Does it bother you that that is his belief?

He doesn’t believe that. He knows Christianity is made up but he still believes there must be a god. Too perfect for there not to be. That makes perfect sense to him. He hopes there is a heaven for all the obvious reasons.

Cool story, bro.

So my nephews get out of church and meet me and my dad at the cemetery. They are fighting and being mean to each other so I ask them how come they don’t leave church better people.

I could understand if by Wednesday or Friday the message has already warn off but they just left church and they’re already not acting like good Christians.

One of them said the oldest one is the worst and he just goes to confession and gets forgiven.

See? You Christians think you can just say sorry once a week and just continue to be evil assholes. You aren’t really sorry if you are going to continue to be assholes but that’s exactly what y’all do.

And you tell yourselves it’s ok to be assholes because we are all assholes. Free pass on being assholes

 

[ding]

I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY,
MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH,
OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE.
I BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST,
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,
BORN OF THE FATHER BEFORE ALL AGES.
GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT,
TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD,
BEGOTTEN, NOT MADE, CONSUBSTANTIAL
WITH THE FATHER;
THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE.
FOR US MEN AND FOR OUR SALVATION
HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
AND BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS INCARNATE
OF THE VIRGIN MARY,
AND BECAME MAN.
FOR OUR SAKE HE WAS CRUCIFIED
UNDER PONTIUS PILATE,
HE SUFFERED DEATH AND WAS BURIED,
AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE THIRD DAY
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCRIPTURES.
HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN
AND IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER.
HE WILL COME AGAIN IN GLORY
TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD
AND HIS KINGDOM WILL HAVE NO END.
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THE LORD, THE GIVER OF LIFE,
WHO PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON,
WHO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON
IS ADORED AND GLORIFIED,
WHO HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS.
I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
I CONFESS ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE RESURRECTION
OF THE DEAD AND THE LIFE OF THE WORLD TO COME.
AMEN.

.

I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.

they had a good time of it in the 4th century tying (forging) everything together ... including bing. the sinner.

- which of the three above is one ...

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

.

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

you are wrong bing, your soliloquy was invented in the 4th century ...


Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.


in fact over the entire 4th century that had no bearing from the 1st century perspective but represents a political objective that is disguised as a religion.

also to say you are a sinner is to modest, your above beliefs are evil in that you attribute them to a century and individuals that were persecuted for the exact opposite and you use their suffering to promote your own political views the opposite they died for.

they were not sinners, the 1st century and stood for collective charity they would rather have been killed than subject themselves to such an awful belief as those you portray, christianity.

Where did the Roman Catholic Church come from?
The Church at Rome, which would later develop into what we know as Roman Catholicism, was started in the apostolic times (circa AD 30-95). Although we do not have records of the first Christian missionaries to Rome, it is obvious that a church existed there as the New Testament Scriptures were being written. St. Paul himself wrote an epistle to the church at Rome, and the Book of Acts records some of his dealings there. St. Clement of Rome (ca. 35-99), St. Ignatius of Antioch (35-108), and St. Irenaeus of Lyons (130-202) all speak as if St. Simon Peter ministered in Rome, serving as its first bishop (the term “bishop” is an English contraction of the biblical Greek word episkopos, often translated as “overseer” in modern Protestant translations of the New Testament). Tertullian (ca. 155-240) reported that Peter died in the same place as Paul, and it is commonly believed that Paul was martyred in Rome. Since both Peter and Paul were such important and prominent apostles, Rome became an important pilgrimage site for Christians who wanted to visit their graves and worship near where they were buried...

What Is Catholicism? - History, Tradition & Beliefs

.
you do realize your soliloquy was written (for you) in the 4th century - what you profess to believe.


The title Symbolum Apostolicum (Symbol or Creed of the Apostles) appears for the first time in a letter, probably written by Ambrose, from a Council in Milan to Pope Siricius in about AD 390 ...


and has nothing to do with the events of the 1st century, that is you are a devout fraud, bing culpable to the persecution and victimization of the innocent since that time you have chosen for your life's path.

No. I don’t realize that. That’s what I have been trying to tell you.

There are no fundamental beliefs that were not held by the early Christians.

 

[basquebromance]

if Jesus came back tomorrow he wouldn't be an evangelical!

 

[ding]

You don’t have to be a Christian to move towards God. You only have to desire a relationship with the Creator of existence. You will never understand what I am saying until you test this for yourself.

Then you aren't a Christian

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Oh now we will get to hear DING's spin on this. His translation. Let's hear it Ding.

And sorry ding but I've told you before that I already tested your theory for a couple decades. I was kidding myself. You couldn't want it any more than I did. I thought I had a personal relationship with god, then I woke up. Even after I woke up I would find myself talking to god when I was walking or driving around. I had to remind myself I'm talking to nothing.

It really drives you crazy that I don't argue you have to be Christian to go to heaven, doesn't it?

Just curious, is that what your father believes? Does it bother you that that is his belief?

He doesn’t believe that. He knows Christianity is made up but he still believes there must be a god. Too perfect for there not to be. That makes perfect sense to him. He hopes there is a heaven for all the obvious reasons.

Cool story, bro.

So my nephews get out of church and meet me and my dad at the cemetery. They are fighting and being mean to each other so I ask them how come they don’t leave church better people.

I could understand if by Wednesday or Friday the message has already warn off but they just left church and they’re already not acting like good Christians.

One of them said the oldest one is the worst and he just goes to confession and gets forgiven.

See? You Christians think you can just say sorry once a week and just continue to be evil assholes. You aren’t really sorry if you are going to continue to be assholes but that’s exactly what y’all do.

And you tell yourselves it’s ok to be assholes because we are all assholes. Free pass on being assholes

No. That’s silly to extrapolate that and apply it to everyone. How old are your nephews?

 

[ding]

if Jesus came back tomorrow he wouldn't be an evangelical!

I bet he would be a reformer though.

 

[hobelim]

if Jesus came back tomorrow he wouldn't be an evangelical!

I bet he would be a reformer though.

Yeah, just another sod Jew. lol....

 

[ding]

if Jesus came back tomorrow he wouldn't be an evangelical!

I bet he would be a reformer though.

Yeah, just another sod Jew. lol....

Taz would have said sod heb.

 

[ding]

Come out of the closet already and openly be a proud Jew hating, anti Jesus, trinity worshipping, mangod eating pagan if thats how you want to go through life.. No need to hide behind the veil of monotheism, pretend you love Jesus the Jew, and walk around with a bible as a disguise.

Don't be shy. Let it all hang out. Its a free country!

I've never been accused of being shy before.

I'm a pagan? Cool.

I think it might be time for me to keep a running list of YOUR inconsistencies. What do you think?

Well, no actually. Sorry. To call you a pagan would be an insult to pagans.

Lets see.

You have the form and shape of a flabby human being but an intelligence just slightly above that of a monkey.

You say you are a sinner, then claim that because you believe that God is edible you eat him and are saved even though you don't stop sinning. I point out the absurdity of it all to you and then you call me an atheist Jew as if that makes your beliefs less insane.

Perhaps there should be a new creature added to the forbidden list on the divine menu.

Let us call it the spineless brown nosed dingbat, a vile and loathsome creature that crawls on its belly by day, and nests in the butt crack of the Nachash by night..

So let it be written. So let it be done.

Often times ignorance is insolent.

 

[BreezeWood]

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they had a good time of it in the 4th century tying (forging) everything together ... including bing. the sinner.

- which of the three above is one ...

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

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That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

you are wrong bing, your soliloquy was invented in the 4th century ...


Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.


in fact over the entire 4th century that had no bearing from the 1st century perspective but represents a political objective that is disguised as a religion.

also to say you are a sinner is to modest, your above beliefs are evil in that you attribute them to a century and individuals that were persecuted for the exact opposite and you use their suffering to promote your own political views the opposite they died for.

they were not sinners, the 1st century and stood for collective charity they would rather have been killed than subject themselves to such an awful belief as those you portray, christianity.

Where did the Roman Catholic Church come from?
The Church at Rome, which would later develop into what we know as Roman Catholicism, was started in the apostolic times (circa AD 30-95). Although we do not have records of the first Christian missionaries to Rome, it is obvious that a church existed there as the New Testament Scriptures were being written. St. Paul himself wrote an epistle to the church at Rome, and the Book of Acts records some of his dealings there. St. Clement of Rome (ca. 35-99), St. Ignatius of Antioch (35-108), and St. Irenaeus of Lyons (130-202) all speak as if St. Simon Peter ministered in Rome, serving as its first bishop (the term “bishop” is an English contraction of the biblical Greek word episkopos, often translated as “overseer” in modern Protestant translations of the New Testament). Tertullian (ca. 155-240) reported that Peter died in the same place as Paul, and it is commonly believed that Paul was martyred in Rome. Since both Peter and Paul were such important and prominent apostles, Rome became an important pilgrimage site for Christians who wanted to visit their graves and worship near where they were buried...

What Is Catholicism? - History, Tradition & Beliefs

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you do realize your soliloquy was written (for you) in the 4th century - what you profess to believe.


The title Symbolum Apostolicum (Symbol or Creed of the Apostles) appears for the first time in a letter, probably written by Ambrose, from a Council in Milan to Pope Siricius in about AD 390 ...


and has nothing to do with the events of the 1st century, that is you are a devout fraud, bing culpable to the persecution and victimization of the innocent since that time you have chosen for your life's path.

No. I don’t realize that. That’s what I have been trying to tell you.

There are no fundamental beliefs that were not held by the early Christians.

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There are no fundamental beliefs that were not held by the early Christians.

you just skirt the issue when facts present the issue differently than your contrived world view ... no, no one from the 1st century died for your soliloquy invented in the 4th century.

the opposite, their triumph over evil was their purpose and were willing to die for the original religion of antiquity not yours.

 

[ding]

That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

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That’s a common argument of atheists but the reality is there is nothing new that the early Christians didn’t already believe and practice.

you are wrong bing, your soliloquy was invented in the 4th century ...


Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.


in fact over the entire 4th century that had no bearing from the 1st century perspective but represents a political objective that is disguised as a religion.

also to say you are a sinner is to modest, your above beliefs are evil in that you attribute them to a century and individuals that were persecuted for the exact opposite and you use their suffering to promote your own political views the opposite they died for.

they were not sinners, the 1st century and stood for collective charity they would rather have been killed than subject themselves to such an awful belief as those you portray, christianity.

Where did the Roman Catholic Church come from?
The Church at Rome, which would later develop into what we know as Roman Catholicism, was started in the apostolic times (circa AD 30-95). Although we do not have records of the first Christian missionaries to Rome, it is obvious that a church existed there as the New Testament Scriptures were being written. St. Paul himself wrote an epistle to the church at Rome, and the Book of Acts records some of his dealings there. St. Clement of Rome (ca. 35-99), St. Ignatius of Antioch (35-108), and St. Irenaeus of Lyons (130-202) all speak as if St. Simon Peter ministered in Rome, serving as its first bishop (the term “bishop” is an English contraction of the biblical Greek word episkopos, often translated as “overseer” in modern Protestant translations of the New Testament). Tertullian (ca. 155-240) reported that Peter died in the same place as Paul, and it is commonly believed that Paul was martyred in Rome. Since both Peter and Paul were such important and prominent apostles, Rome became an important pilgrimage site for Christians who wanted to visit their graves and worship near where they were buried...

What Is Catholicism? - History, Tradition & Beliefs

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you do realize your soliloquy was written (for you) in the 4th century - what you profess to believe.


The title Symbolum Apostolicum (Symbol or Creed of the Apostles) appears for the first time in a letter, probably written by Ambrose, from a Council in Milan to Pope Siricius in about AD 390 ...


and has nothing to do with the events of the 1st century, that is you are a devout fraud, bing culpable to the persecution and victimization of the innocent since that time you have chosen for your life's path.

No. I don’t realize that. That’s what I have been trying to tell you.

There are no fundamental beliefs that were not held by the early Christians.

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There are no fundamental beliefs that were not held by the early Christians.

you just skirt the issue when facts present the issue differently than your contrived world view ... no, no one from the 1st century died for your soliloquy invented in the 4th century.

the opposite, their triumph over evil was their purpose and were willing to die for the original religion of antiquity not yours.

Far from it. The facts show that all fundamental beliefs and traditions began with the early Christians.

I wouldn’t expect a materialist like yourself to understand it.

 

[rylah]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

An interesting subject, but I really don't understand that Greek(?) separation of morals and ethics, wouldn't know from where to approach.

My view is simple - there's truth beyond expression every soul, spirit agrees and yearns too.
Finding out and knowing, bringing the truth to consciousness is nothing if You don't act on it.
So there's actions (Mitzvah) and purpose, or as in Hebrew "the taste" of the action.

I come from a more holistic, Jewish, Jungian, Zen...duality in all of its expressions of atheism vs religiosity, morality vs crime, are insincere and infantile in a sense, it's all one truth of one reality. Don't confuse the finger pointing to the moon with the moon itself kinda thing.

Anyway too broad a subject for me, but if someone wants to spend time on the subject,
I suggest watching this exquisite exchange between these truly outstanding minds, discussing specifically the expression (or lack) of morality and ethics in modern culture:

Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro: Religion, Trans Activism, and Censorship

 

[Mindful]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

An interesting subject, but I really don't understand that Greek(?) separation of morals and ethics, wouldn't know from where to approach.

My view is simple - there's truth beyond expression every soul, spirit agrees and yearns too.
Finding out and knowing, bringing the truth to consciousness is nothing if You don't act on it.
So there's actions (Mitzvah) and purpose, or as in Hebrew "the taste" of the action.

I come from a more holistic, Jewish, Jungian, Zen...duality in all of its expressions of atheism vs religiosity, morality vs crime, are insincere and infantile in a sense, it's all one truth of one reality. Don't confuse the finger pointing to the moon with the moon itself kinda thing.

Anyway too broad a subject for me, but if someone wants to spend time on the subject,
I suggest watching this exquisite exchange between these truly outstanding minds, discussing specifically the morality and ethics of modern culture from 2 different perspectives:

I'm a fan of Peterson. He certainly put a liberal superior TV female presenter in her place, with his reasoned logic.

She just fell apart; and she admitted it.