Zone1 Can you find the Flaw in Atheist Speaker Christopher Hitchens' Logic Here.

[Meriweather]

Did pagans get saved by faith in one of their gods?

Did all peoples have written laws or access to written laws? Scripture notes of God's law being written on every human heart. Paul (in Romans) even notes that non-believers will be judged by their own hearts.

What bothers me about people who cannot find a good thing to say about God, is the likelihood they cannot find a good thing to say about people either.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Actually, Hitchens said bad stuff about the Muslims all the time.

I corrected myself in Post # 2.

Here's the problem with Muslims. It's not that their religion is better than yours, nor is it really worse.

It is far worse, but whatever.

Our problem with the Islamic World has never been their religion; it's been our imperialistic policies. We just picked up where the British and French left off.

Would have been better off to leave the alone, or let the Brits and the French deal with them.

But we have to deal with reality of now, not fantasize what might have been if our ancestors had been as wise as we.

 

[JoeB131]

lol seriously???

Seriously. Tell me the last time an Islamic nation invaded a non-Islamic one.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Seriously. Tell me the last time an Islamic nation invaded a non-Islamic one.

lol seriously??? You don't know??? Are you living in a basement in Calcutta or what?

 

[JoeB131]

Would have been better off to leave the alone, or let the Brits and the French deal with them.

But we have to deal with reality of now, not fantasize what might have been if our ancestors had been as wise as we.

Or we could just say, "This isn't our problem". What we are doing isn't wise. We've been involved in that region militarily since the 1980s.

The only reasons we are involved in the Middle East are

1) Our unquenchable thirst for petroleum.
2) The undue influence the Israeli Lobby has on our politics.

Now, imagine if we took the trillion dollars we spend every year playing Hall Monitor of the Middle East and spent it on public transportation and alternative energy. And if we arrested members of AIPAC as foreign agents and threw them out of the country.

 

[JoeB131]

lol seriously??? You don't know??? Are you living in a basement in Calcutta or what?

Seriously. The fact you've gone three posts without being able to give a straight answer is very telling.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Seriously. The fact you've gone three posts without being able to give a straight answer is very telling.

That just means I know you're full of shit and are just trolling, like all degenerate commies do.

 

[JoeB131]

That just means I know you're full of shit and are just trolling, like all degenerate commies do.

So four attempts, and you can't name a recent act of Islamic Aggression.

Good show.

It's okay, I knew you couldn't.

Assuming you aren't someone else's sock, you probably should up your game, but you are new here.

 

[alang1216]

Did all peoples have written laws or access to written laws? Scripture notes of God's law being written on every human heart. Paul (in Romans) even notes that non-believers will be judged by their own hearts.

Which laws were written on every human heart? There doesn't seem to be a common thread.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

So four attempts, and you can't name a recent act of Islamic Aggression.

Good show.

It's okay, I knew you couldn't.

Assuming you aren't someone else's sock, you probably should up your game, but you are new here.

So more sniveling; still don't take you seriously, much less take orders from you. lol

 

[Meriweather]

Which laws were written on every human heart? There doesn't seem to be a common thread.

You have a decision to make. Which is the holier?

 

[JoeB131]

So more sniveling; still don't take you seriously, much less take orders from you. lol

Naw, man, you really aren't good at this.

You should find a different hobby.

 

[Hafar1014]

So four attempts, and you can't name a recent act of Islamic Aggression.

Good show.

It's okay, I knew you couldn't.

Assuming you aren't someone else's sock, you probably should up your game, but you are new here.

Events of Islamic extremism, or jihadist terrorism, involve politically and religiously motivated violence by groups (like ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban) or individuals. Major incidents include the September 11 attacks, the 2015 Paris attacks, the Yazidi genocide by ISIS, the 2016 Nice truck attack, and various “lone actor” stabbings/bombings in Europe and the US.
University of Minnesota Twin Cities +3
Key historical and contemporary events include:

• 1979 Turning Point: The Soviet-Afghan War and the Iranian Revolution are considered catalysts for modern Islamist extremism, launching a, "post-jihad pool of well-trained, battle-hardened militants".
• Major Global Attacks:
  • September 11, 2001 (USA): Al-Qaeda coordinated suicide attacks.
  • July 7, 2005 (London): Bombings in the city transport system.
  • November 13, 2015 (Paris): Coordinated shootings and bombings.
  • July 14, 2016 (Nice, France): Truck attack during Bastille Day.
  • August 2024 (Solingen, Germany): Knife attack by ISIS-associated individual.
• ISIS/Daesh (2014–2019): Systematic violence, including the Yazidi genocide in Iraq and Syria, involving mass executions and sexual slavery.
• Regional Dominance (2011–2016): According to a CSIS report, 85% of global terrorist incidents (over 60,000) occurred in Muslim-majority states during this period, particularly in the Middle East and North Africa.
• Taliban Activity (2001–2012): Responsible for over 30% of global terrorist attacks in this period, mostly in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
  University of Minnesota Twin Cities +8

These actions are often aimed at "non-believers" or Muslims deemed infidels

 

[JoeB131]

Events of Islamic extremism, or jihadist terrorism, involve politically and religiously motivated violence by groups (like ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban) or individuals. Major incidents include the September 11 attacks, the 2015 Paris attacks, the Yazidi genocide by ISIS, the 2016 Nice truck attack, and various “lone actor” stabbings/bombings in Europe and the US.
University of Minnesota Twin Cities +3
Key historical and contemporary events include:

• 1979 Turning Point: The Soviet-Afghan War and the Iranian Revolution are considered catalysts for modern Islamist extremism, launching a, "post-jihad pool of well-trained, battle-hardened militants".

You clearly didn't understand the assignment.

Fighting back against a foreign invader (with the support and training of the CIA, I might add) is not an example of Muslims going into a non-Muslim area and conquering land.

Let's see if you do any better.

Major Global Attacks:

• September 11, 2001

Not acts of conquest. Acts of terrorism by extremists, and the Islamic World largely cooperated with us to hunt these guys down.

ISIS/Daesh (2014–2019): Systematic violence, including the Yazidi genocide in Iraq and Syria, involving mass executions and sexual slavery.

ISIS only happened because we went in and foolishly deposed Saddam, and then didn't bother to secure the country.

Taliban Activity (2001–2012): Responsible for over 30% of global terrorist attacks in this period, mostly in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Again, we armed the rebels who eventually became the Taliban, and we didn't finish the job. People fighting back againsti invaders is not conquest.

 

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If thats true then who needs Jesus you didnt think this through

Other people's religious beliefs shouldn't bother you this much.

 

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I only read what was written, I leave others to interpret what is not written.

That's not true.

 

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Exod 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them. For I Yhwh your God am an impassioned God, visiting the guilt of the parents upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generations of those who reject Me,

How many times do I need to address this?

 

[ding]

Totally different God in the NT.

Nope. Same God. Gnostics couldn't figure it out either.

 

[ding]

Did pagans get saved by faith in one of their gods?

You obsess way too much over this. Get a life.

 

[Hafar1014]

Other people's religious beliefs shouldn't bother you this much.

I Just pointed out the contradition in your post. You admitted no one needs Jesus to go to heaven. So you now agree with me. Nothing bothers me I worked in 4 mental hospitals before private practice.