Can Atheists be Moral?

[ding]

You don’t believe in God. So you don’t believe in “Hebbin” or sin.

Your only mission here is to subordinate religion and condemn respect for people of faith.

You don’t have faith that God would be born into this world to sacrifice himself to reconcile justice and mercy. I do. And because I do, he comes rushing towards me when I make an effort to move towards him.

You have never tested this so you are incapable of experiencing it. But you are more than happy to criticize and insult those that have.

Of course I believe in God, thats why I would rather be drawn and quartered than to turn to a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life which is sin.

And of course I have tested your claims. This is what I found out. According to your own holy book you are an idolator. You died in the very day that you first got down on your knees in deranged adoration before a lifeless cracker for spiritual life and in the twinkling of an eye you descended into the netherworld, the realm of the dead, where you have been tortured for decades day and night by the demons of your own unrestrained imagination condemning yourself to a prison forever at odds with reality that will always appear to the dead like a fire that will never go out.

Now I do not dispute that you are having a spiritual experience by engaging in such a vile and degrading practice.

Its just not a very good one.

I don’t believe you do.

You don't believe that I believe in God because I do not believe in your false three in one edible mangod.

Thats fine with me.

According to your own holy book you are an idolator. You died in the very day that you first got down on your knees in deranged adoration before a lifeless cracker for spiritual life and in the twinkling of an eye you descended into the netherworld, the realm of the dead, where you have been tortured for decades day and night by the demons of your own unrestrained imagination condemning yourself to a prison forever at odds with reality that will always appear to the dead like a fire that will never go out.

I will never become an idolator and so I will never know what its like to be dead. I will never be flailing around in fire lake trying to convince someone else that I am saved.

Woe is me.

I'm curious, is your basis that I worship a false God based upon the Old Testament?

The God of Abraham?

You aren't Jewish, are you? So it's really odd that you would adopt the Old Testament as your authority, don't you think?

The Jews call bullshit on the messiah story but you have to defend the Jewish story because it’s your origins.

I love how you guys explain how it doesn’t matter what the Old Testament says just focus on the new

Interesting choice of words. You only need to defend something because it is being attacked, right? If you ask the Jews they will say they are the ones who feel attacked by Christianity.

But getting back to your point, according to the Jews the messiah will come at the end of times so It wasn’t time for them to accept Jesus as the messiah.

Looks like I don’t need to say the OT doesn’t really matter after all.

 

[ding]

That’s a really curious expectation, don’t you think?

Everyone should believe and do the same thing?

Why?

Depends. What is 2 + 2. Do you have an opinion on that or is the universal answer 4?

Something like god shouldn't be subjective should it? He either came and visited 2000 years ago or he didn't. See where I'm going with this? You should.

What I'm getting from your comment is that your religion is just the main religion in your neck of the woods. And even in your neck of the woods yall can't even agree on such things as who goes to heaven, what gets you to heaven, if there is a hell, etc.....

No wonder so many people in the world don't believe the Jesus myth.

You don’t have to be a Christian to move towards God. You only have to desire a relationship with the Creator of existence. You will never understand what I am saying until you test this for yourself.

Then you aren't a Christian

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Oh now we will get to hear DING's spin on this. His translation. Let's hear it Ding.

And sorry ding but I've told you before that I already tested your theory for a couple decades. I was kidding myself. You couldn't want it any more than I did. I thought I had a personal relationship with god, then I woke up. Even after I woke up I would find myself talking to god when I was walking or driving around. I had to remind myself I'm talking to nothing.

It really drives you crazy that I don't argue you have to be Christian to go to heaven, doesn't it?

Just curious, is that what your father believes? Does it bother you that that is his belief?

He doesn’t believe that. He knows Christianity is made up but he still believes there must be a god. Too perfect for there not to be. That makes perfect sense to him. He hopes there is a heaven for all the obvious reasons.

Cool story, bro.

 

[hobelim]

Ding just can't stop lying in the name of God, misleading others, and worshipping and then eating a lifeless matzo made by human hands.

He is a dedicated sinner, he doesn't know his ass from his elbow, a sin from a banana, why would he stop?

he's proud of it. He thinks he is going up to hebbin.

You don’t believe in God. So you don’t believe in “Hebbin” or sin.

Your only mission here is to subordinate religion and condemn respect for people of faith.

You don’t have faith that God would be born into this world to sacrifice himself to reconcile justice and mercy. I do. And because I do, he comes rushing towards me when I make an effort to move towards him.

You have never tested this so you are incapable of experiencing it. But you are more than happy to criticize and insult those that have.

Of course I believe in God, thats why I would rather be drawn and quartered than to turn to a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life which is sin.

And of course I have tested your claims. This is what I found out. According to your own holy book you are an idolator. You died in the very day that you first got down on your knees in deranged adoration before a lifeless cracker for spiritual life and in the twinkling of an eye you descended into the netherworld, the realm of the dead, where you have been tortured for decades day and night by the demons of your own unrestrained imagination condemning yourself to a prison forever at odds with reality that will always appear to the dead like a fire that will never go out.

Now I do not dispute that you are having a spiritual experience by engaging in such a vile and degrading practice.

Its just not a very good one.

I don’t believe you do.

You don't believe that I believe in God because I do not believe in your false three in one edible mangod.

Thats fine with me.

According to your own holy book you are an idolator. You died in the very day that you first got down on your knees in deranged adoration before a lifeless cracker for spiritual life and in the twinkling of an eye you descended into the netherworld, the realm of the dead, where you have been tortured for decades day and night by the demons of your own unrestrained imagination condemning yourself to a prison forever at odds with reality that will always appear to the dead like a fire that will never go out.

I will never become an idolator and so I will never know what its like to be dead. I will never be flailing around in fire lake trying to convince someone else that I am saved.

Woe is me.

I'm curious, is your basis that I worship a false God based upon the Old Testament?

The God of Abraham?

You aren't Jewish, are you? So it's really odd that you would adopt the Old Testament as your authority, don't you think?

My conclusion that you worship a false God is based on several factors. The things that you say, what is actually written in the old and new testaments, and logic.

simple. Is this a surprise to you? You don't remember going over these subjects? Holy shit!

Now I'm curious. Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times? sheesh. And you don't believe that you are under the condemnation of God even though your mind is like a leaky bucket..Pity.

I told shimon once and he never forgot. ask him.


Ask a priest.

Ask your matzo god.

Ask yourself what difference does it make. damn.

 

[MedfordMan]

Let me correct a couple of misperceptions.

God, through the Holy Spirt, doesn't just speak to me or other believers, he's speaking to you and everyone else. You're just not listening.

That's not as critical as it sounds, because I get it. My selfish sin nature makes it difficult for me to listen to HIM too.

God (through the Holy Spirit) doesn't communicate "truth" to me. He provides practical direction in the minute to minute decisions I have to make in my daily life.

You see God doesn't provide truth, he IS righteous and true.

As a Christian, I am not better than you. I'm not smarter than you. I don't have any greater understanding of anything other than this. I'm a sinner, like you, but I can't redeem myself.

You seek truth? That's the truth I understand and that you don't.

You have made it clear that you don't feel that you need God and can do it all yourself.

Good luck to you, I tried that for years and was unsuccessful. If you can pull it off, you're a better man than me.

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I'm a sinner, like you, but I can't redeem myself.

what are the sins you can not stop committing, you fool yourself by the 4th century christian religion - follow the true religion as prescribed by the Almighty, triumph over evil for admission to the Everlasting.

A sin is simply choosing not to do the perfect will of God. When I choose to do my own selfish will instead of the perfect will of God (for whatever reason), I sin. Remember it's not just the act (or thought), it's the heart behind the act (or thought).

The list of sins I never commit would be must shorter than the list of sins I do commit.

This "what are the sins you can't stop committing" is not a gotcha, it's as silly as asking "what bad food can't you stop eating". If you don't eat perfectly, there are too many kinds of foods you eat (or have eaten your entire life), but shouldn't.

Feel free to flesh out your 4th century religion argument, but it has two flaws going in.

First there were many false religions and false teachings in the early church.

If what your espousing was the true word of an all powerful God, why did it die out?

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When I choose to do my own selfish will instead of the perfect will of God (for whatever reason), I sin.

and that is something you can not control - so you rely on a makebelieve messiah to save you when your evil deeds affect others ...

the prescribed religion of the Almighty is to triumph over evil - that is your sin against their will - good luck.

Breezewood,

are you arguing that man can not control his selfish nature?

.

are you arguing that man can not control his selfish nature?

again, it is you who is unable not to be a sinner and will not reveal what those sins are ... and makebelive in a messiah you undoubtedly had a hand in crucifying to save you from your own just reward. as always, good luck christian.

That seems to be a simple question.

I find it interesting you chose not to answer it.

it's also not an inappropriate question given your statement which prompted it.

I'm not a big fan of posters who state other people's beliefs, as they often do so erroneously for their own selfish ends, so I'm going to ask this as a question.

Do you believe that it's possible to avoid being a sinner simply by rejecting the concept of sin?

This is your opportunity to clear the air. While I'm open to any response, a lack of a direct response (in light of the evidence that caused me to posit) will naturally lead us to infer that this is true.

 

[ding]

You don’t believe in God. So you don’t believe in “Hebbin” or sin.

Your only mission here is to subordinate religion and condemn respect for people of faith.

You don’t have faith that God would be born into this world to sacrifice himself to reconcile justice and mercy. I do. And because I do, he comes rushing towards me when I make an effort to move towards him.

You have never tested this so you are incapable of experiencing it. But you are more than happy to criticize and insult those that have.

Of course I believe in God, thats why I would rather be drawn and quartered than to turn to a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life which is sin.

And of course I have tested your claims. This is what I found out. According to your own holy book you are an idolator. You died in the very day that you first got down on your knees in deranged adoration before a lifeless cracker for spiritual life and in the twinkling of an eye you descended into the netherworld, the realm of the dead, where you have been tortured for decades day and night by the demons of your own unrestrained imagination condemning yourself to a prison forever at odds with reality that will always appear to the dead like a fire that will never go out.

Now I do not dispute that you are having a spiritual experience by engaging in such a vile and degrading practice.

Its just not a very good one.

I don’t believe you do.

You don't believe that I believe in God because I do not believe in your false three in one edible mangod.

Thats fine with me.

According to your own holy book you are an idolator. You died in the very day that you first got down on your knees in deranged adoration before a lifeless cracker for spiritual life and in the twinkling of an eye you descended into the netherworld, the realm of the dead, where you have been tortured for decades day and night by the demons of your own unrestrained imagination condemning yourself to a prison forever at odds with reality that will always appear to the dead like a fire that will never go out.

I will never become an idolator and so I will never know what its like to be dead. I will never be flailing around in fire lake trying to convince someone else that I am saved.

Woe is me.

I'm curious, is your basis that I worship a false God based upon the Old Testament?

The God of Abraham?

You aren't Jewish, are you? So it's really odd that you would adopt the Old Testament as your authority, don't you think?

My conclusion that you worship a false God is based on several factors. The things that you say, what is actually written in the old and new testaments, and logic.

simple. Is this a surprise to you? You don't remember going over these subjects? Holy shit!

Now I'm curious. Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times? sheesh. And you don't believe that you are under the condemnation of God even though your mind is like a leaky bucket..Pity.

I told shimon once and he never forgot. ask him.


Ask a priest.

Ask your matzo god.

Ask yourself what difference does it make. damn.

The only way I can worship a false god in your eyes is for you to be Jewish.

 

[ding]

Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times?

Because you are a liar?

You aren’t Jewish unless you lie about not being an atheist.

You aren’t an atheist unless you lie about being a Jew.

Hence the only thing that makes sense is that you are a liar. Probably about both. An atheist who happens to be Jewish. There seems to be quite a few of them here.

 

[hobelim]

Of course I believe in God, thats why I would rather be drawn and quartered than to turn to a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life which is sin.

And of course I have tested your claims. This is what I found out. According to your own holy book you are an idolator. You died in the very day that you first got down on your knees in deranged adoration before a lifeless cracker for spiritual life and in the twinkling of an eye you descended into the netherworld, the realm of the dead, where you have been tortured for decades day and night by the demons of your own unrestrained imagination condemning yourself to a prison forever at odds with reality that will always appear to the dead like a fire that will never go out.

Now I do not dispute that you are having a spiritual experience by engaging in such a vile and degrading practice.

Its just not a very good one.

I don’t believe you do.

You don't believe that I believe in God because I do not believe in your false three in one edible mangod.

Thats fine with me.

According to your own holy book you are an idolator. You died in the very day that you first got down on your knees in deranged adoration before a lifeless cracker for spiritual life and in the twinkling of an eye you descended into the netherworld, the realm of the dead, where you have been tortured for decades day and night by the demons of your own unrestrained imagination condemning yourself to a prison forever at odds with reality that will always appear to the dead like a fire that will never go out.

I will never become an idolator and so I will never know what its like to be dead. I will never be flailing around in fire lake trying to convince someone else that I am saved.

Woe is me.

I'm curious, is your basis that I worship a false God based upon the Old Testament?

The God of Abraham?

You aren't Jewish, are you? So it's really odd that you would adopt the Old Testament as your authority, don't you think?

My conclusion that you worship a false God is based on several factors. The things that you say, what is actually written in the old and new testaments, and logic.

simple. Is this a surprise to you? You don't remember going over these subjects? Holy shit!

Now I'm curious. Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times? sheesh. And you don't believe that you are under the condemnation of God even though your mind is like a leaky bucket..Pity.

I told shimon once and he never forgot. ask him.


Ask a priest.

Ask your matzo god.

Ask yourself what difference does it make. damn.

The only way I can worship a false god in your eyes is for you to be Jewish.

ahem.. no, there are many other possibilities one being that I heard what you profess to believe about God, looked into your own holy book to see whether what you claim is true or false, and decided quite easily in the second grade that your beliefs are basically insane.

I could be an ethnic Jew, a religious Jew, an atheist, a hindu, muslim, buddhist, pagan, hedonist, witch, warlock, cop, criminal, sinner or saint.

Anyway, what difference does it make to you?

 

[hobelim]

Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times?

Because you are a liar?

You aren’t Jewish unless you lie about not being an atheist.

You aren’t an atheist unless you lie about being a Jew.

Hence the only thing that makes sense is that you are a liar. Probably about both. An atheist who happens to be Jewish. There seems to be quite a few of them here.

No, the only think that makes sense is that you are experiencing the disturbing symptoms of what ancient hebrew people thought of as the death consequent to filling your mind with superstitious and irrational gobbledygook without thinking deeply about it at all.

You are writhing around perplexed by a mystery as if you never heard what I had openly told you many times before.

You may think that I do not believe in God but your inability to grasp simple concepts or retain information just serves to confirm my belief in God and provides verifiable evidence that his law remains in effect and is in full force.

 

[ding]

I don’t believe you do.

You don't believe that I believe in God because I do not believe in your false three in one edible mangod.

Thats fine with me.

According to your own holy book you are an idolator. You died in the very day that you first got down on your knees in deranged adoration before a lifeless cracker for spiritual life and in the twinkling of an eye you descended into the netherworld, the realm of the dead, where you have been tortured for decades day and night by the demons of your own unrestrained imagination condemning yourself to a prison forever at odds with reality that will always appear to the dead like a fire that will never go out.

I will never become an idolator and so I will never know what its like to be dead. I will never be flailing around in fire lake trying to convince someone else that I am saved.

Woe is me.

I'm curious, is your basis that I worship a false God based upon the Old Testament?

The God of Abraham?

You aren't Jewish, are you? So it's really odd that you would adopt the Old Testament as your authority, don't you think?

My conclusion that you worship a false God is based on several factors. The things that you say, what is actually written in the old and new testaments, and logic.

simple. Is this a surprise to you? You don't remember going over these subjects? Holy shit!

Now I'm curious. Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times? sheesh. And you don't believe that you are under the condemnation of God even though your mind is like a leaky bucket..Pity.

I told shimon once and he never forgot. ask him.


Ask a priest.

Ask your matzo god.

Ask yourself what difference does it make. damn.

The only way I can worship a false god in your eyes is for you to be Jewish.

ahem.. no, there are many other possibilities one being that I heard what you profess to believe about God, looked into your own holy book to see whether what you claim is true or false, and decided quite easily in the second grade that your beliefs are basically insane.

I could be an ethnic Jew, a religious Jew, an atheist, a hindu, muslim, buddhist, pagan, hedonist, witch, warlock, cop, criminal, sinner or saint.

Anyway, what difference does it make to you?

The difference is that unless you believe in the God of Abraham I can’t possibly be worshipping a false God in your eyes as you are literally quoting the OT and using the OT as the basis for your belief.

 

[ding]

Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times?

Because you are a liar?

You aren’t Jewish unless you lie about not being an atheist.

You aren’t an atheist unless you lie about being a Jew.

Hence the only thing that makes sense is that you are a liar. Probably about both. An atheist who happens to be Jewish. There seems to be quite a few of them here.

No, the only think that makes sense is that you are experiencing the disturbing symptoms of what ancient hebrew people thought of as the death consequent to filling your mind with superstitious and irrational gobbledygook without thinking deeply about it at all.

You are writhing around perplexed by a mystery as if you never heard what I had openly told you many times before.

You may think that I do not believe in God but your inability to grasp simple concepts or retain information just serves to confirm my belief in God and provides verifiable evidence that his law remains in effect and is in full force.

Brother, you are the one who hasn’t thought out your lies.

 

[ding]

Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times?

Because you are a liar?

You aren’t Jewish unless you lie about not being an atheist.

You aren’t an atheist unless you lie about being a Jew.

Hence the only thing that makes sense is that you are a liar. Probably about both. An atheist who happens to be Jewish. There seems to be quite a few of them here.

No, the only think that makes sense is that you are experiencing the disturbing symptoms of what ancient hebrew people thought of as the death consequent to filling your mind with superstitious and irrational gobbledygook without thinking deeply about it at all.

You are writhing around perplexed by a mystery as if you never heard what I had openly told you many times before.

You may think that I do not believe in God but your inability to grasp simple concepts or retain information just serves to confirm my belief in God and provides verifiable evidence that his law remains in effect and is in full force.

Says the atheist Jew who quotes the Bible.

 

[ding]

Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times?

Because you are a liar?

You aren’t Jewish unless you lie about not being an atheist.

You aren’t an atheist unless you lie about being a Jew.

Hence the only thing that makes sense is that you are a liar. Probably about both. An atheist who happens to be Jewish. There seems to be quite a few of them here.

No, the only think that makes sense is that you are experiencing the disturbing symptoms of what ancient hebrew people thought of as the death consequent to filling your mind with superstitious and irrational gobbledygook without thinking deeply about it at all.

You are writhing around perplexed by a mystery as if you never heard what I had openly told you many times before.

You may think that I do not believe in God but your inability to grasp simple concepts or retain information just serves to confirm my belief in God and provides verifiable evidence that his law remains in effect and is in full force.

You don’t believe God created the material world, right?

I ask this because every single time I have asked this question to you you dodge answering it.

 

[BreezeWood]

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what are the sins you can not stop committing, you fool yourself by the 4th century christian religion - follow the true religion as prescribed by the Almighty, triumph over evil for admission to the Everlasting.

A sin is simply choosing not to do the perfect will of God. When I choose to do my own selfish will instead of the perfect will of God (for whatever reason), I sin. Remember it's not just the act (or thought), it's the heart behind the act (or thought).

The list of sins I never commit would be must shorter than the list of sins I do commit.

This "what are the sins you can't stop committing" is not a gotcha, it's as silly as asking "what bad food can't you stop eating". If you don't eat perfectly, there are too many kinds of foods you eat (or have eaten your entire life), but shouldn't.

Feel free to flesh out your 4th century religion argument, but it has two flaws going in.

First there were many false religions and false teachings in the early church.

If what your espousing was the true word of an all powerful God, why did it die out?

.

When I choose to do my own selfish will instead of the perfect will of God (for whatever reason), I sin.

and that is something you can not control - so you rely on a makebelieve messiah to save you when your evil deeds affect others ...

the prescribed religion of the Almighty is to triumph over evil - that is your sin against their will - good luck.

Breezewood,

are you arguing that man can not control his selfish nature?

.

are you arguing that man can not control his selfish nature?

again, it is you who is unable not to be a sinner and will not reveal what those sins are ... and makebelive in a messiah you undoubtedly had a hand in crucifying to save you from your own just reward. as always, good luck christian.

That seems to be a simple question.

I find it interesting you chose not to answer it.

it's also not an inappropriate question given your statement which prompted it.

I'm not a big fan of posters who state other people's beliefs, as they often do so erroneously for their own selfish ends, so I'm going to ask this as a question.

Do you believe that it's possible to avoid being a sinner simply by rejecting the concept of sin?

This is your opportunity to clear the air. While I'm open to any response, a lack of a direct response (in light of the evidence that caused me to posit) will naturally lead us to infer that this is true.

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you are who has not answered the questions presented to you ...

what are the sins you can not stop committing, you fool yourself by the 4th century christian religion - follow the true religion as prescribed by the Almighty, triumph over evil for admission to the Everlasting.

again, it is you who is unable not to be a sinner and will not reveal what those sins are ... and makebelive in a messiah you undoubtedly had a hand in crucifying to save you from your own just reward. as always, good luck christian.

-follow the true religion of antiquity as prescribed by the Almighty, triumph over evil for admission to the Everlasting.


the above was my reply to your question ... and no, sinners are not welcome nor received simply by their delusional, self made 4th century religion if for no other reason.

 

[hobelim]

Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times?

Because you are a liar?

You aren’t Jewish unless you lie about not being an atheist.

You aren’t an atheist unless you lie about being a Jew.

Hence the only thing that makes sense is that you are a liar. Probably about both. An atheist who happens to be Jewish. There seems to be quite a few of them here.

No, the only think that makes sense is that you are experiencing the disturbing symptoms of what ancient hebrew people thought of as the death consequent to filling your mind with superstitious and irrational gobbledygook without thinking deeply about it at all.

You are writhing around perplexed by a mystery as if you never heard what I had openly told you many times before.

You may think that I do not believe in God but your inability to grasp simple concepts or retain information just serves to confirm my belief in God and provides verifiable evidence that his law remains in effect and is in full force.

Says the atheist Jew who quotes the Bible.

lol.... I told you. I am a believer. I just don't believe you.

I read the bible. I memorized the ten commandments. I heard about the death, hell, and destruction consequent to defying divine instruction.

I see and hear you openly and brazenly advocating idolatry. I see that you have your reward already and so I believe.


Now what exactly is your obsession with Jews all about?

Can't get even one to lift their skirt for your perversions? Thats a shame. Must be very frustrating given how easy groveling on your knees before a sick 4th century Roman joke is to you..

Maybe you should try harder, or just stop being an asshole.. If you don't everywhere you go people from all walks of life will line up to poke you in the eye.

 

[ding]

Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times?

Because you are a liar?

You aren’t Jewish unless you lie about not being an atheist.

You aren’t an atheist unless you lie about being a Jew.

Hence the only thing that makes sense is that you are a liar. Probably about both. An atheist who happens to be Jewish. There seems to be quite a few of them here.

No, the only think that makes sense is that you are experiencing the disturbing symptoms of what ancient hebrew people thought of as the death consequent to filling your mind with superstitious and irrational gobbledygook without thinking deeply about it at all.

You are writhing around perplexed by a mystery as if you never heard what I had openly told you many times before.

You may think that I do not believe in God but your inability to grasp simple concepts or retain information just serves to confirm my belief in God and provides verifiable evidence that his law remains in effect and is in full force.

Says the atheist Jew who quotes the Bible.

lol.... I told you. I am a believer. I just don't believe you.

I read the bible. I memorized the ten commandments. I heard about the death, hell, and destruction consequent to defying divine instruction.

I see and hear you openly and brazenly advocating idolatry. I see that you have your reward already and so I believe.


Now what exactly is your obsession with Jews all about?

Can't get even one to lift their skirt for your perversions? Thats a shame. Must be very frustrating given how easy groveling on your knees before a sick 4th century Roman joke is to you..

Maybe you should try harder, or just stop being an asshole.. If you don't everywhere you go people from all walks of life will line up to poke you in the eye.

Cool story. Do you believe God created the material world?

 

[hobelim]

Why don't you already know whether I am Jewish or not even after I told you a dozen times?

Because you are a liar?

You aren’t Jewish unless you lie about not being an atheist.

You aren’t an atheist unless you lie about being a Jew.

Hence the only thing that makes sense is that you are a liar. Probably about both. An atheist who happens to be Jewish. There seems to be quite a few of them here.

No, the only think that makes sense is that you are experiencing the disturbing symptoms of what ancient hebrew people thought of as the death consequent to filling your mind with superstitious and irrational gobbledygook without thinking deeply about it at all.

You are writhing around perplexed by a mystery as if you never heard what I had openly told you many times before.

You may think that I do not believe in God but your inability to grasp simple concepts or retain information just serves to confirm my belief in God and provides verifiable evidence that his law remains in effect and is in full force.

Says the atheist Jew who quotes the Bible.

lol.... I told you. I am a believer. I just don't believe you.

I read the bible. I memorized the ten commandments. I heard about the death, hell, and destruction consequent to defying divine instruction.

I see and hear you openly and brazenly advocating idolatry. I see that you have your reward already and so I believe.


Now what exactly is your obsession with Jews all about?

Can't get even one to lift their skirt for your perversions? Thats a shame. Must be very frustrating given how easy groveling on your knees before a sick 4th century Roman joke is to you..

Maybe you should try harder, or just stop being an asshole.. If you don't everywhere you go people from all walks of life will line up to poke you in the eye.

Cool story. Do you believe God created the material world?

Maybe you should start a new thread if you want to discuss that question. This thread is about whether or not atheists can be moral.

So far two things have become abundantly clear in spite of the religiously addled garbage that comes out of your broken mind.

1. You are an atheist.

2. You are not moral.


Stand up and walk like a man ding. Admit who you are. You do not believe in the God of Abraham, Moses, all the prophets, including Jesus the Jew.

You worship a trinity that became an edible man. How can you possibly deny what you openly profess to believe?

I will let you in on a little secret Ding. Thats not sane.

The truth is, you might as well be worshiping and eating a goat head.....and I am not criticizing or condemning you.


Come out of the closet already and openly be a proud Jew hating, anti Jesus, trinity worshipping, mangod eating pagan if thats how you want to go through life.. No need to hide behind the veil of monotheism, pretend you love Jesus the Jew, and walk around with a bible as a disguise.

Don't be shy. Let it all hang out. Its a free country!

 

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So far two things have become abundantly clear in spite of the religiously addled garbage that comes out of your broken mind.

1. You are an atheist.

2. You are not moral.

God probably agrees with both but for different reasons than you do.

I never claimed to be a saint like you do.

 

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Stand up and walk like a man ding. Admit who you are. You do not believe in the God of Abraham, Moses, all the prophets, including Jesus the Jew.

I really couldn't care less what you believe about me.

I freely admit that I am no saint. I freely admit that I am a sinner.

I absolutely do believe in God and I believe in the accounts of the Old and New Testaments.

So much so that I believe that spirit created the material world... unlike you.

 

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You worship a trinity that became an edible man. How can you possibly deny what you openly profess to believe?

I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY,
MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH,
OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE.
I BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST,
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,
BORN OF THE FATHER BEFORE ALL AGES.
GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT,
TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD,
BEGOTTEN, NOT MADE, CONSUBSTANTIAL
WITH THE FATHER;
THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE.
FOR US MEN AND FOR OUR SALVATION
HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
AND BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS INCARNATE
OF THE VIRGIN MARY,
AND BECAME MAN.
FOR OUR SAKE HE WAS CRUCIFIED
UNDER PONTIUS PILATE,
HE SUFFERED DEATH AND WAS BURIED,
AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE THIRD DAY
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCRIPTURES.
HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN
AND IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER.
HE WILL COME AGAIN IN GLORY
TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD
AND HIS KINGDOM WILL HAVE NO END.
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THE LORD, THE GIVER OF LIFE,
WHO PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON,
WHO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON
IS ADORED AND GLORIFIED,
WHO HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS.
I BELIEVE IN ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC,
AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
I CONFESS ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE RESURRECTION
OF THE DEAD AND THE LIFE OF THE WORLD TO COME.
AMEN.

 

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I will let you in on a little secret Ding. Thats not sane.

The truth is, you might as well be worshiping and eating a goat head.....and I am not criticizing or condemning you.

You don't have enough faith that God created the material world so that he could experience the material world through us.

You don't have enough faith that God was born into this world to testify to the truth for us.

You don't have enough faith that God suffered death to reconcile justice with mercy for us.

And you don't have enough faith that God would manifest his spirit unto a host for us for no other reason than we had faith that he would.

I don't have those problems.