Breaking News - Israel launches ground offensive in Gaza

[Lipush]

So before the rockets, Palestinians weren't attacking Israel?

As long as the occupation exists, it's not an attack, it's resistance.

And it is legal.

As I asked before,

The years before the occupation, so called, were us and the Palestinians BFFs?

Again, you chose to ignore parts of history and create one suiting your agenda?

 

[toastman]

Wrong! The occupation started 37 years before the first rocket attack was ever made.

I call that incredible patience on the part of the Palestinian's.

The problem isn't the rockets, it's the occupation and Israeli aggression against its neighbors.

So before the rockets, Palestinians weren't attacking Israel?

Sure they were. They have been resisting the occupation since 1948.

There was no Israeli occupation in 1948... Whoops!

 

[Lipush]

And before the 1967 "occupation", Palestinians weren't attacking Israel?

If you're looking for when we should "start the clock" on all the violence, it starts at the Zionist migration into the area.

No major incidents of violence occurred between Palestinian-Arabs and Palestinian-Jews before that.

It started with the Zionist migration? And why, was the Zionist migration forbidden? After the Holocaust, Jews had nowhere to go, and they didn't want to stay in cursed Europe. So they migrated to the promised land.

What is wrong with that?

 

[toastman]

And before the 1967 "occupation", Palestinians weren't attacking Israel?

If you're looking for when we should "start the clock" on all the violence, it starts at the Zionist migration into the area.

No major incidents of violence occurred between Palestinian-Arabs and Palestinian-Jews before that.

Again with this lie?

And Jews migrating to Mandatory Palestine on the invitation and facilitation of the British is not a reason to attack people.

 

[Lipush]

So before the rockets, Palestinians weren't attacking Israel?

Sure they were. They have been resisting the occupation since 1948.

There was no Israeli occupation in 1948... Whoops!

He knows that, but according to Tinmore, ALL of "Palestine" is occupied. That what differences him from other Anti-Zionists.

They say the occupation is of 67, he says Israel is illegal priod, and that "Palestine" should exist in the ghetto 48 borders.

That is what makes him the most fanatic amongs the haters. Be careful with that one.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wars can't be won without killing a few civilians. It's a fact and Israel can't change that fact.

Tell Hamas to come out in the open and fight fair so Israel won't have to kill any civilians getting to them. That'll solve the problem.

Like the candy ass Israelis who are always hiding in tanks, armored bulldozers, airplanes,...

Thousand of foot soldiers are not in any of those.

And what's wring with them being in tanks, planes etc ? Isn't that how all modern militaries fight

Regardless, you lefties are ignoring the fact that Hamas launching rockets non stop, and then saying no to a cease fire is why the fighting rages on.

BTW Tinmore, what do you think of Hamas saying no to the cease fire?

Nobody negotiated a ceasefire.

 

[Billo_Really]

The rockets never stopped.

Yeah the did. They stopped for 4 months until Israel conducted a commando raid on December 4, 2008.

You keep repeating the lie, but it won't make it true.

Prior to December, 2008, there were dozens of rockets fired from Gaza, per day.

I'm a southerner Israeli myself, and I perfectly remember those days. You repeating the nonsense is basically calling me a liar, and I don't appreicate people calling my a liar when I know and remember what I've been through.

So please stop saying things you know nothing about, which are not true.

I'm sorry, I was wrong. It was November 5, 2008, not December 4th.

Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen

A four-month ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza was in jeopardy today after Israeli troops killed six Hamas gunmen in a raid into the territory.

Stop trying to re-write history!

 

[Lipush]

That is because Hamas prefers dozens of more Palestinians dying, so they can blame Israel for their own refusal.

 

[Lipush]

Yeah the did. They stopped for 4 months until Israel conducted a commando raid on December 4, 2008.

You keep repeating the lie, but it won't make it true.

Prior to December, 2008, there were dozens of rockets fired from Gaza, per day.

I'm a southerner Israeli myself, and I perfectly remember those days. You repeating the nonsense is basically calling me a liar, and I don't appreicate people calling my a liar when I know and remember what I've been through.

So please stop saying things you know nothing about, which are not true.

I'm sorry, I was wrong. It was November 5, 2008, not December 4th.

Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen

A four-month ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza was in jeopardy today after Israeli troops killed six Hamas gunmen in a raid into the territory.

Stop trying to re-write history!

I'm not.

Your own swallowing of lies is pathetic.

 

[Crystalclear]

Defend themselves from what?

Israel only attacks Gaza when they attack Israel.

Wrong! The occupation started 37 years before the first rocket attack was ever made.



I call that incredible patience on the part of the Palestinian's.



The problem isn't the rockets, it's the occupation and Israeli aggression against its neighbors.

And why is this occupation? Because Israel won territory from Egypt (the Gaza Strip) and Jordan (the West Bank) in a defensive war where Israel was attacked from all sides.
And why should Israel be nice to Arab countries who want to destroy Israel and the Jews?

 

[P F Tinmore]

So before the rockets, Palestinians weren't attacking Israel?

Sure they were. They have been resisting the occupation since 1948.

There was no Israeli occupation in 1948... Whoops!

Technically you may be correct. It was the 1949 armistice agreements that officially divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

 

[Billo_Really]

As I asked before,

The years before the occupation, so called, were us and the Palestinians BFFs?

Again, you chose to ignore parts of history and create one suiting your agenda?

I don't have an agenda and I don't ignore anything or anyone.

In the years before the occupation, both sides are guilty of violence, but all the violence was initiated by Israel.

 

[Billo_Really]

And why is this occupation? Because Israel won territory from Egypt (the Gaza Strip) and Jordan (the West Bank) in a defensive war where Israel was attacked from all sides.
And why should Israel be nice to Arab countries who want to destroy Israel and the Jews?

The war started with Israeli tanks crossing into Egypt, so it wasn't a defensive war.

And ever since the end of WWII, holding onto land seized in a war, has been outlawed.

 

[Billo_Really]

I'm not.

Your own swallowing of lies is pathetic.

I can at least prove my lie is true, how come you can't prove yours?

 

[Lipush]

Again with the lies.

Yes, you have an agenda, and it's not an honest one.

Was it Israel that decided to open a war in 1948?

What is Israel that closed the Tiran passages, declaring war in innocent civilians, in 1967?

 

[toastman]

Sure they were. They have been resisting the occupation since 1948.

There was no Israeli occupation in 1948... Whoops!

He knows that, but according to Tinmore, ALL of "Palestine" is occupied. That what differences him from other Anti-Zionists.

They say the occupation is of 67, he says Israel is illegal priod, and that "Palestine" should exist in the ghetto 48 borders.

That is what makes him the most fanatic amongs the haters. Be careful with that one.

Oh I'm very familiar with Tinmore's shtick. Some people have no idea what they're talking about.

BTW, since I can't really start a topic about it, did you hear that one of the passengers on the Malaysian was an Israeli?

 

[Billo_Really]

That is because Hamas prefers dozens of more Palestinians dying, so they can blame Israel for their own refusal.

Refusal of what? Where's the evidence they had anything to do with the kidnapping?

 

[toastman]

Sure they were. They have been resisting the occupation since 1948.

There was no Israeli occupation in 1948... Whoops!

Technically you may be correct. It was the 1949 armistice agreements that officially divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

Ya that is one of your lies as well. How many times are you going to spew it?

 

[Lipush]

I'm not.

Your own swallowing of lies is pathetic.

I can at least prove my lie, how come you can't prove yours?

The attack of Rafah was because Hamas was buiding tunnles in the area, and the ceasefires, ALL kind of ceasefires ever made with Hamas NEVER included tolerating tunnles, EVER. Israel always clarified that tunnles are to be destroyed, at all times.

Hamas took the risk. Those tunnles are in order to murder, and Israel doesn't wait for people to get killed, it saves them first.

 

[toastman]

Like the candy ass Israelis who are always hiding in tanks, armored bulldozers, airplanes,...

Thousand of foot soldiers are not in any of those.

And what's wring with them being in tanks, planes etc ? Isn't that how all modern militaries fight

Regardless, you lefties are ignoring the fact that Hamas launching rockets non stop, and then saying no to a cease fire is why the fighting rages on.

BTW Tinmore, what do you think of Hamas saying no to the cease fire?

Nobody negotiated a ceasefire.

What?? Egypt offered a cease fire. Israel accepted. Hamas didn't. Do you agree with them?