Bradley Fighting Vehicle vs russian Infantry Fighting Vehicles

[rupol2000]

I understand correctly that these are analogs in the sense of the main combat mission: delivering infantry and supporting it with fire during an offensive?

If so, the American version looks more solid, what do you think?

As I understand it, Bradley can still be equipped with anti-tank guided missiles and anti-aircraft systems.

Or is it not an analogue?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Both are very old, and consider what's inside.

American

Russian

 

[rupol2000]

Both are very old, and consider what's inside.

American

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This problem presents in russia too, "not officially"

Gorny shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the testimony of Shamsutdinov, which was published by the Telegram channel Baza, the soldier said that his colleagues threatened to rape him

 

[rupol2000]

In addition, it is alarming that the design of military uniforms was entrusted not to a military equipment specialist, but to a haute couture designer close to "non-traditional" circles.

(on the right is the famous propagandist of homosexuality Moiseev, on the left is the designer of the military uniform Yudashkin)

But we must discuss technical aspect and not sexual.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This problem presents in russia too, "not officially"

Gorny shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the testimony of Shamsutdinov, which was published by the Telegram channel Baza, the soldier said that his colleagues threatened to rape him

The difference is, the American military gets training in makeup application. The Russian military gets combat training.

The difference is, the American military will dishonorably discharge a member who objects to being raped as a homophobe and the Russian military won't.

 

[rupol2000]

The difference is, the American military gets training in makeup application. The Russian military gets combat training.

This is nonsense, in America there are professional soldiers, there the selection is already at the stage of entering military service.
In Russia, there is almost no professional army at all, only elite units like the GRU special forces. Those military personnel who serve on a contract also have professional training, they go there immediately after military service.

 

[there4eyeM]

Just looking at the two vehicles, the Russian one appears lower profile and perhaps more difficult to hit.

 

[rupol2000]

The difference is, the American military will dishonorably discharge a member who objects to being raped as a homophobe and the Russian military won't.

This nonsense has no comment at all. This is a tragedy. Any man would have done this in his place, he had no choice, it was self-defense, but in the end he was punished and his life was broken.

 

[justoffal]

The difference is, the American military gets training in makeup application. The Russian military gets combat training.

The difference is, the American military will dishonorably discharge a member who objects to being raped as a homophobe and the Russian military won't.

In hand-to-hand combat between a hardened Spetznaz versus our toughest Navy seals....
The Russians would edge them out. Going out to the regular troops.... While our guys are getting sensitivity training the Russian's equivalent of army rangers are being pounded on by physical trainers forcing them basically to eat kettlebells for breakfast lunch and dinner. You do the math.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This says it all

 

[rupol2000]

In hand-to-hand combat between a hardened Spetznaz versus our toughest Navy seals

Russian Spetznaz are ordinary young guys sent to military service, they are not much different from ordinary infantry. Do not confuse this with the special forces of the GRU. I know several guys from spetsnaz, they are not trained in hand-to-hand combat. Only formally, in a real fight, they are equal to an ordinary student. And they even not athletic and not tall.
None of the conscripts is trained in hand-to-hand combat as athletes do.
As for the real special forces, it is only with the FSB(Federal Security Service) and the GRU(Main Intelligence Directorate) and it is impossible to get there from military service, as a rule, a higher military education of an officer and good physical training are required.

 

[rupol2000]

I do not know what physical fitness standards are generally applied in the United States, but if you take the Marine standard that I saw on YouTube, I give 100% that none of the conscripts, if they do not additionally do sports, will not fulfill this standard

 

[Zincwarrior]

Both are older models.
1. Advantages of BMP: its cheaper. lower to the ground. Likely less maintenance due to wheel system.
2. Advantages of Bradley. Proven antitank capability. Excellent weaponry. Much better optics/sensor/tracking packages. Relatively less cramped (still cramped). Better offroad capability as its a tracked vehicle.

Also as a reminder due to how weird thread went: The US has been fighting opponents since 1991. This has created an extensive reservoir of real world experience. The Soviets, er Russians, have been more sporadic: Ukraine and Syria primarily. Their effectiveness has been...mixed.

Also a reminder. Their economy is (depending on the year) smaller than Brazil's.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Just looking at the two vehicles, the Russian one appears lower profile and perhaps more difficult to hit.

The BMP is lower profile, but pays for that with being incredibly cramped, having poor visibility and breaks down if you look at it sideways like all Soviet built equipment. The Soviets/Russians uild decent artillery, and peasant-proof small arms, but everything else they build is junk.

 

[Dayton3]

Just looking at the two vehicles, the Russian one appears lower profile and perhaps more difficult to hit.

profile (height) is one of the most overrated factors in a combat vehicle. As someone pointed out "wars are not fought on table tops"

 

[airplanemechanic]

A war with Russia would go nuclear. These two machines would never see each other in some massive combat operation. Russia would start losing a conventional war within 48 hours and would start slinging nukes.

 

[Dayton3]

A war with Russia would go nuclear. These two machines would never see each other in some massive combat operation. Russia would start losing a conventional war within 48 hours and would start slinging nukes.

Or they could give up and go home.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Or they could give up and go home.

Not a chance with Putin. He would want to save face. The fact that he wants to get the USSR back together shows what kind of a person he is.

 

[Bleipriester]

I understand correctly that these are analogs in the sense of the main combat mission: delivering infantry and supporting it with fire during an offensive?

If so, the American version looks more solid, what do you think?

As I understand it, Bradley can still be equipped with anti-tank guided missiles and anti-aircraft systems.

Or is it not an analogue?

Numbers count too. And that BMP 1 ist not the only Russian IFV.

 

[Dayton3]

Not a chance with Putin. He would want to save face. The fact that he wants to get the USSR back together shows what kind of a person he is.

Putin leads Russia into a crushing defeat at the hands of the west and his life might not be worth much.