Bloomberg Helping Ex Felons In Florida To Vote

[BS Filter]

Bloomberg should just give the money to the felons and let them be responsible for their debt.

Wouldn't that that be potentially illegal?

You could certainly make a better case of buying votes that way.

So if Bloomberg pays it himself you're okay with it.

 

[DrLove]

I wonder have democrats ever considered that they are just as wrong as people think they are - when their plan to victory involves getting elected by felons.

Obviously felons should not vote. There already are enough democrats who vote just like criminals - not for the benefit of the nation but to buy themselves free shit.

Why, assuming they did their time? The initial big push for felonies (other than the most egregious) to be ineligible for voting was racism. I don't care if they vote, just like I don't care if RWNJ racists vote. It's an American right.

Because democracy was chosen to arrive at the best, and less intrusive government possible. Not as a value onto itself, and certainly not something everyone should have just by the virtue of breathing. Only those who make the best decisions.

There is zero evidence that felons vote are informed or vote very well. Other than of course, if you are a democrat and do not care about having a great nation, only free shit matters. But that is not America, that is the common shithole.

There is zero evidence that ANYONE, least of all Trumpists are informed or vote very well. But you know what? It isn't up to you or I to determine whether or not they can exercise that right.

Do you support Bloomberg paying off what felons owe?

Not necessarily, but that IS his right.

 

[Coyote]

Is it bribery though?
If it is simply a gift with no strings attached, then where is the bribe to do something?
Of course if it is a gift then it will need to be acknowledged on the receiver's tax return although they probably don't pay taxes anyway.

Yes, a gift....a gift ONLY for those two groups (black, hispanic) shown to be likely Biden voters.

This "gift" is an inducement that allows these two populations alone to vote presumably for the
people that paid all their bills and debts for them so they COULD vote.

"[Under Florida law] it's a third-degree felony for someone to either directly or indirectly provide something of value to impact whether or not someone votes,' Gaetz explained. 'So the question is whether or not paying off someone's fines and legal obligations counts as something of value, and it clearly does.'

Clearly Bloomberg's scheme violates Florida law. And these people (John Legend, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, MTV, Comedy Central, VH1, Ben & Jerry's, Levi Strauss & Co and the Miami Dolphins)
should be prosecuted too. It's bribery, pure and simple.

It's fundraising for a group: Florida Rights Restoration Coalition.

That group is not exclusive to any particular racial demographic.

Does this mean anyone who contributes financially to a political group that is involved with voting (registration, organizing etc) - is guilty of buying votes?

 

[Coyote]

Bloomberg should just give the money to the felons and let them be responsible for their debt.

Wouldn't that that be potentially illegal?

You could certainly make a better case of buying votes that way.

So if Bloomberg pays it himself you're okay with it.

You mean if he paid them directly? No...I just pointed out that sounds illegal.

 

[bendog]

Most states restore the franchise to felons who served their time. In Fla, the issue was that the vast maj of felons were blacks who committed drug crimes. The citizens voted to let them vote. The legislature and state SC said only if they pay fines and court costs. Surprise surprise surprise .. the felons are vastly poor and vastly black. Is this a poll tax? The SC said "no, it's not a poll tax, it's part of their sentences!"

Kudos to Bloomberg.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It is just adaucious how much Democrats simply assume that they wont be prosecuted for this shit. They know the DC Establishment has their back.

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Beyond Bloomberg, several philanthropic groups have poured money into paying off debts owed by felons - including a nonprofit founded by LeBron James. Bloomberg's effort, meanwhile, is "narrowly focused only on Black and Hispanic voters" whose debts are less than $1,500.​

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"Mike wanted to get this done for two reasons," a Bloomberg adviser told the Post. "One, because it’s the right thing to do for the democracy. And two, because it immediately activates tens of thousands of voters who are predisposed to vote for Joe Biden."​

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The Bloomberg memo pointed out that the 31,790 targeted voters, including 25,548 who are Black, are nearly equivalent to the margin by which Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis won election in 2018, and about three times as big as the margin that elected Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) that same year.​

It said Florida voters have largely already made up their minds about the November election, leaving “only a small margin of voters that are targets for persuasion.” -Washington Post​

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"We know to win Florida we will need to persuade, motivate and add new votes to the Biden column," reads the document. "This means we need to explore all avenues for finding the needed votes when so many votes are already determined."​

Buying votes is a Democrat tradition, but it is illegal and they dont give a shit.

Is payment of the fine also considered income to the felon? Should Bloomy pay their taxes as well?

 

[BS Filter]

I wonder have democrats ever considered that they are just as wrong as people think they are - when their plan to victory involves getting elected by felons.

Obviously felons should not vote. There already are enough democrats who vote just like criminals - not for the benefit of the nation but to buy themselves free shit.

Why, assuming they did their time? The initial big push for felonies (other than the most egregious) to be ineligible for voting was racism. I don't care if they vote, just like I don't care if RWNJ racists vote. It's an American right.

Because democracy was chosen to arrive at the best, and less intrusive government possible. Not as a value onto itself, and certainly not something everyone should have just by the virtue of breathing. Only those who make the best decisions.

There is zero evidence that felons vote are informed or vote very well. Other than of course, if you are a democrat and do not care about having a great nation, only free shit matters. But that is not America, that is the common shithole.

There is zero evidence that ANYONE, least of all Trumpists are informed or vote very well. But you know what? It isn't up to you or I to determine whether or not they can exercise that right.

Do you support Bloomberg paying off what felons owe?

Not necessarily, but that IS his right.

Democrats are desperate.

 

[irosie91]

Bribery is against the law.

Like paying farmers so they'll vote for Trump?

Or extorting the Ukrainian president for dirt on a political opponent?

Paying farmers?

 

[Turtlesoup]

Bribery is against the law.

Like paying farmers so they'll vote for Trump?

Or extorting the Ukrainian president for dirt on a political opponent?

President doesn't control the spending persay--------------Congress does==no farmer anything without Pelosi's paw prints on it.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Kudos to Bloomberg.

Yes. Hurray for partisan bribery in a presidential election.
Thanks for putting yourself on the record. I'll bet you were one of the ones bitching about Trump
"extorting" the Ukrainian president.
Then you come out for this. Incredible ******* hypocrisy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Most states restore the franchise to felons who served their time. In Fla, the issue was that the vast maj of felons were blacks who committed drug crimes. The citizens voted to let them vote. The legislature and state SC said only if they pay fines and court costs. Surprise surprise surprise .. the felons are vastly poor and vastly black. Is this a poll tax? The SC said "no, it's not a poll tax, it's part of their sentences!"

Kudos to Bloomberg.

Correct, because now somebody may have to bailout Bloomberg as that is a third degree felony in the state.

 

[bendog]

Kudos to Bloomberg.

Yes. Hurray for partisan bribery in a presidential election.
Thanks for putting yourself on the record. I'll bet you were one of the ones bitching about Trump
"extorting" the Ukrainian president.
Then you come out for this. Incredible ******* hypocrisy.

There's no bribery. The felons whose right to vote is restored can vote any way they please. The more people who vote, and whose ballots are counted, is a good thing.

And, it's not a coincidence that most of the felons who are black and poor want to be denied the right to vote by republicans. But not all republicans believe our judicial system is fair.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Not necessarily, but that IS his right.

There is no right to bribery but we understand you are sinking now and will grab onto anything to keep your head above water.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Is it bribery though?
If it is simply a gift with no strings attached, then where is the bribe to do something?
Of course if it is a gift then it will need to be acknowledged on the receiver's tax return although they probably don't pay taxes anyway.

Yes, a gift....a gift ONLY for those two groups (black, hispanic) shown to be likely Biden voters.

This "gift" is an inducement that allows these two populations alone to vote presumably for the
people that paid all their bills and debts for them so they COULD vote.

"[Under Florida law] it's a third-degree felony for someone to either directly or indirectly provide something of value to impact whether or not someone votes,' Gaetz explained. 'So the question is whether or not paying off someone's fines and legal obligations counts as something of value, and it clearly does.'

Clearly Bloomberg's scheme violates Florida law. And these people (John Legend, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, MTV, Comedy Central, VH1, Ben & Jerry's, Levi Strauss & Co and the Miami Dolphins)
should be prosecuted too. It's bribery, pure and simple.

It's fundraising for a group: Florida Rights Restoration Coalition.

That group is not exclusive to any particular racial demographic.

Does this mean anyone who contributes financially to a political group that is involved with voting (registration, organizing etc) - is guilty of buying votes?

Yep, because his intent is to help Biden get more votes.

 

[bendog]

Most states restore the franchise to felons who served their time. In Fla, the issue was that the vast maj of felons were blacks who committed drug crimes. The citizens voted to let them vote. The legislature and state SC said only if they pay fines and court costs. Surprise surprise surprise .. the felons are vastly poor and vastly black. Is this a poll tax? The SC said "no, it's not a poll tax, it's part of their sentences!"

Kudos to Bloomberg.

Correct, because now somebody may have to bailout Bloomberg as that is a third degree felony in the state.

Like Reagan said, I don't worry too much about rich people because they seem to be able to watch out for themselves.

 

[bendog]

Is it bribery though?
If it is simply a gift with no strings attached, then where is the bribe to do something?
Of course if it is a gift then it will need to be acknowledged on the receiver's tax return although they probably don't pay taxes anyway.

Yes, a gift....a gift ONLY for those two groups (black, hispanic) shown to be likely Biden voters.

This "gift" is an inducement that allows these two populations alone to vote presumably for the
people that paid all their bills and debts for them so they COULD vote.

"[Under Florida law] it's a third-degree felony for someone to either directly or indirectly provide something of value to impact whether or not someone votes,' Gaetz explained. 'So the question is whether or not paying off someone's fines and legal obligations counts as something of value, and it clearly does.'

Clearly Bloomberg's scheme violates Florida law. And these people (John Legend, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, MTV, Comedy Central, VH1, Ben & Jerry's, Levi Strauss & Co and the Miami Dolphins)
should be prosecuted too. It's bribery, pure and simple.

It's fundraising for a group: Florida Rights Restoration Coalition.

That group is not exclusive to any particular racial demographic.

Does this mean anyone who contributes financially to a political group that is involved with voting (registration, organizing etc) - is guilty of buying votes?

Yep, because his intent is to help Biden get more votes.

or his intent may be to stop the fla legislature and sup ct from preventing the voters of fla being able to restore the franchise.

 

[DrLove]

Bribery is against the law.

Like paying farmers so they'll vote for Trump?

Or extorting the Ukrainian president for dirt on a political opponent?

Paying farmers?

Yes PAYING FARMERS to the tune of around triple what the auto bailout cost us.
Ya figure that ongoing fiasco thanks to his idiotic trade war with China might have something to do with it?
Jesus, I've had about enough of this BS today.

‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back

The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.

www.politico.com

 

[Coyote]

Is it bribery though?
If it is simply a gift with no strings attached, then where is the bribe to do something?
Of course if it is a gift then it will need to be acknowledged on the receiver's tax return although they probably don't pay taxes anyway.

Yes, a gift....a gift ONLY for those two groups (black, hispanic) shown to be likely Biden voters.

This "gift" is an inducement that allows these two populations alone to vote presumably for the
people that paid all their bills and debts for them so they COULD vote.

"[Under Florida law] it's a third-degree felony for someone to either directly or indirectly provide something of value to impact whether or not someone votes,' Gaetz explained. 'So the question is whether or not paying off someone's fines and legal obligations counts as something of value, and it clearly does.'

Clearly Bloomberg's scheme violates Florida law. And these people (John Legend, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, MTV, Comedy Central, VH1, Ben & Jerry's, Levi Strauss & Co and the Miami Dolphins)
should be prosecuted too. It's bribery, pure and simple.

It's fundraising for a group: Florida Rights Restoration Coalition.

That group is not exclusive to any particular racial demographic.

Does this mean anyone who contributes financially to a political group that is involved with voting (registration, organizing etc) - is guilty of buying votes?

Yep, because his intent is to help Biden get more votes.

Is intent illegal? Anyone who contributes to political causes has a political intent. As long as the cause itself is not illegal, then it doesn't matter.

 

[Coyote]

Not necessarily, but that IS his right.

There is no right to bribery but we understand you are sinking now and will grab onto anything to keep your head above water.

How is donating to a perfectly legal group that restores felon voting rights bribery? You're stretching.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

There's no bribery. The felons whose right to vote is restored can vote any way they please. The more people who vote, and whose ballots are counted, is a good thing.

It's not a "good thing" if the motivation is cash inducement to vote a certain way.
That's a felony! And under any circumstances it's a third class felony under Florida state law.
You idiots think you can sit there and insist up is down and day is night and get your way. Amazing.

And, it's not a coincidence that most of the felons who are black and poor want to be denied the right to vote by republicans. But not all republicans believe our judicial system is fair.

ALL felons, black or white, lose the right to vote, among other things, by virtue of being a felon.
But ONLY blacks and Hispanics are promised all debts and penalties will be wiped out by
billionaire shyster Michael Bloomberg.
You can blame the white devil all you want. I doubt anyone will listen to you, rightly so.

And since you brought it up one of the ways we can tell this is a bribery scam is the way Bloomberg has targeted blacks and Hispanics only for this brazenly illegal stunt.