Birthright Citizenship? Yes/No

[Moonglow]

Its not a controlling interest

and that changes what exactly from the government owning shares in a company?

 

[Hafar1014]

and that changes what exactly from the government owning shares in a company?

Absolutely its a great idea as it strengthens business and makes money for eh government

 

[Moonglow]

Show me where it’s says birthright citizenship anywhere in your post and you’ll have your answer.

Playing stupid is not working well fer you this morn.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Playing stupid is not working well fer you this morn.

Nope. You have no argument so you posted your feelings. Typical leftist behavior.

 

[Moonglow]

Nope. You have no argument so you posted your feelings. Typical leftist behavior.

The statement can't say anything; it doesn't speak.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

The statement can't say anything; it doesn't speak.

Fail.

 

[Moonglow]

Fail.

So does yer ability to reason.

 

[BlindBoo]

Children born here with at least one American citizen parent will still be granted citizenship.

No such requirement exists in the Constitution. The Executive in our constitutional Republic does not have the authority to amend the Constitution by fiat or EO. That process is spelled out in the Constitution.

 

[BlindBoo]

The Left Wingers do not understand what the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means.
It simply means American Citizen.

Use to be the Natives lived in a separate nation within the US and were specifically excluded for a number of things for that very reason. Or are you saying that immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA?

 

[Rambunctious]

NO.... And most nations with birthright citizenship do not automatically grant your parents the right to remain here with you... so its meaningless... Only the USA says sure and your entire family can stay too...

 

[WorldWatcher]

That would include people lawfully admitted to the US under some type of visa, would it not? That would not prevent someone from visiting the US in order to give birth here.

I also notice you eliminated any provision for American citizens who are born abroad.

Why not codify that American citizenship is granted to anyone born to at least one parent that is a United States citizen?

I think someone should be writing a new amendment repealing the 14th Amendment and making the required changes while leaving the other parts intact.

I was just modifying what Chuz Life wrote.

I'd have no problem including children born to a citizens abroad, however it would still have to be documented and issued through a US Government agency (such as the State Department). I don't think we'd be wanting to take a "birth certificate" generated in a foreign country at face value.

But this is moving from jus soli to jus sanguinis territory which isn't what the 14th addressed.

WW

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

No such requirement exists in the Constitution. The Executive in our constitutional Republic does not have the authority to amend the Constitution by fiat or EO. That process is spelled out in the Constitution.

That is not what is happening
Birthright citizenship is intended for American citizens, not illegal aliens
Trump just wants the constitution to be followed.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Use to be the Natives lived in a separate nation within the US and were specifically excluded for a number of things for that very reason. Or are you saying that immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA?

it means that the Illegal alien are subject to the jurisdiction of the country that they are the citizens of

 

[BlindBoo]

it means that the Illegal alien are subject to the jurisdiction of the country that they are the citizens of

There was no such a thing as an illegal alien when they wrote it. That provision pertained to the natives, not people who crossed the border and started living and working here.

 

[BlindBoo]

That is not what is happening
Birthright citizenship is intended for American citizens, not illegal aliens
Trump just wants the constitution to be followed.

Damn, it would been so easy for them to stipulate that when they wrote it instead of " All persons born or naturalized in the United States...." if that's what they meant. They only excluded the natives, that was changed to include them as well.

 

[Stryder50]

You cannot reverse the plain text of the 14th Amendment.

The text isn't as plain as you interpret.
Written and ratified @ 157 years ago, word usage and intended context then was a bit different than now.
This is why the more correct interpretation does not validate the concept of "anchor baby" or birth right to citizenship of those born to foreign nationals not already citizens here.
The Amendment was meant to thwart the dis-enfranchising of former slaves from the former Confederacy states.

 

[Stryder50]

Damn, it would been so easy for them to stipulate that when they wrote it instead of " All persons born or naturalized in the United States...." if that's what they meant. They only excluded the natives, that was changed to include them as well.

And "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is the @160 year old way of saying "a legal citizen of the USA, versus a legal citizen of another nation".

 

[Stryder50]

" and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" were the indigenous peoples who were part of the autonomous Indian Nations. Everybody else was subject to the USA jurisdiction, with a few exceptions. Immigrants from other nations are not excluded by the amendment. If you want that to be the case, change the amendment.

It's not the Amendment that needs changing, it's the mis-interpretation of the wording and it's meaning that needs changing.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

There was no such a thing as an illegal alien when they wrote it. That provision pertained to the natives, not people who crossed the border and started living and working here.

It means American citizens
Illegal aliens are not American citizens

 

[BlindBoo]

And "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is the @160 year old way of saying "a legal citizen of the USA, versus a legal citizen of another nation".

No it wasn't. That was their way of excluding the natives who were then a nation within our nation. You just want to reinterpret it to fit your current day political objectives. There was no such a thing as an illegal alien and the children of those who came here and worked for a living were automatically citizens.