Birthright Citizenship? Yes/No

[Rawley]

Use to be the Natives lived in a separate nation within the US and were specifically excluded for a number of things for that very reason. Or are you saying that immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA?

Illegals? No, they are not. Which is why we can deport them back to their country of origin where they are subject to that country's jurisdiction.

 

[Concerned American]

That's why when immigrants take the oath of citizenship, they have to reject the political jurisdiction of their home country and submit themselves to the political jurisdiction of the US.

I always believed this as well, but doing some research yesterday, I discovered the US has allowed dual citizenship since 1953. SMH, I was surprised.

 

[Concerned American]

You cannot reverse the plain text of the 14th Amendment.

I guess we'll see if your interpretation matches that of the SCOTUS, eh?

 

[Rambunctious]

Mind your own f-ing business!

Go to bed old man no one here respects your ass... they laugh at you...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Go to bed old man no one here respects your ass... they laugh at you...

You are the only fool laughing, because only a fool laughs when they do not understand.

 

[Rambunctious]

You are the only fool laughing, because only a fool laughs when they do not understand.

 

[OKTexas]

Ted Cruz has birthright citizenship in Canada and the US because he was born to an American mother while working in Canada. He has never claimed Candian citizenship, though he could.

And that has what to do with this, we're talking about people born to 2 noncitizens.

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[OKTexas]

SCOTUS is bound by the text of the Constitution, which most conservatives support. What is your reasoning for a liberal interpretation?

I already explained my position is post 47, are you getting senile?

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[OKTexas]

I always believed this as well, but doing some research yesterday, I discovered the US has allowed dual citizenship since 1953. SMH, I was surprised.

Now do some research on the oath of citizenship.

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[Concerned American]

Ted Cruz has birthright citizenship in Canada and the US because he was born to an American mother while working in Canada. He has never claimed Candian citizenship, though he could.

Are you absolutely sure? I was born in Japan to two American citizens and I could have claimed birthright in Japan until age 19---I was actually in Japan at age 19, but I never chose to exercise the right. Seems the right expired at age 19 by Japanese law.

 

[Concerned American]

Now do some research on the oath of citizenship.

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I did, and you are correct. However there seems to be some ambiguity in the law as it is allowed according to

How to get dual citizenship or nationality | USAGov

Learn how to get dual U.S. citizenship, also known as dual nationality. Find out if another country recognizes dual U.S. citizenship.

www.usa.gov

 

[talksalot]

Since it's coming up again



Let's discuss it.

On one hand you have pregnant women coming to the USA just to have a baby be an American citizen by being born here....then as the baby's mother she gets a way into the country .....

The downside?
Nobody, even naturally born to American Citizens, is free from proving their parents were Americans when they were born...

Creating room for all sorts of deportation scams and corruption by powerful people wanting to exert authority over average people.

So what do you think?

End birthright citizenship.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And that has what to do with this, we're talking about people born to 2 noncitizens.

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You mentioned someone having birthright citizenship in Canada. He does in addition to being an American citizen!

Two parents are not required. Neither of his parents were Canadian.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I already explained my position is post 47, are you getting senile?

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You were discussing precedent. Are you getting senile? Textualists trumps precedent.

 

[White 6]

" Subject To Jurisdiction Versus Subject Of Jurisdiction "

* Colloquial Meaning For Thereof "

The term thereof in the clause " and subject to the jurisdiction thereof " includes meaning , as the phrase does not state simply " and subject to the jurisdiction " or " and subject to its jurisdiction " , though it could have been stated less colloquially as " and a subject of its jurisdiction " .

The us citizen is a subject of us jurisdiction .

A citizenship is a positive liberty of endowment , it is not a negative liberty of protection .

. Zone1 - Civis Etas Unis Sum And Subject To The Jurisdiction Thereof Clause From Us 14th Amendment .

What part of "if you are born and living here, you are subject to it's jurisdiction, do you not get?

 

[White 6]

I call.

Is a person who is only in the zygote, embryo, or fetal stage of their life, growth, and development a 'person' while they are in the zygote, embryo, or fetal stages of their life, growth, or development?

Yes or no?

Legal Definition of NATURAL PERSON

a human being as distinguished from a person (as a corporation) created by operation of law… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

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What does that have to do, with the 14th Amendment?
But, if they are born and the birth was here, subject to US jurisdiction, the Constitution settled the question, saying they are a citizen, whether you like it or not.

 

[White 6]

A Conservative will not support a distortion of the wording of an Amendment to the Constitution, which is initially vague, as allowing the theft of wealth and rights from actual citizens by granting stolen citizenship to persons here illegally and still subject to the jurisdiction of other nation(s) which they came here (unauthorized) from.

Such a position borders upon treason.

Nothing vague about the wording. Reading is fundamental. You should try it.
You sound as if understanding American English does not come easy to you. Maybe you should sit in on an English as second language class.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Are you absolutely sure? I was born in Japan to two American citizens and I could have claimed birthright in Japan until age 19---I was actually in Japan at age 19, but I never chose to exercise the right. Seems the right expired at age 19 by Japanese law.

What does Japan have to do with Canada?

 

[White 6]

Sorry Komrade but you are WRONG!
Everyone in this nation may be subject to our Laws, but they're Subject of Jurisdiction is the nation of their origin, equals nation of their citizenship. Persons born here are only citizens if their parent(s) are also citizens.

That is not what it says.

 

[White 6]

" Us Citizens Are Subjects Of Us Jurisdiction "

* Pandering To Simpletons Without Mentioning The Term Thereof *

In all those words you neglected to address the term thereof .

A subject of us jurisdiction is a subject by title , which includes legal migrants whom become subjects by title in us legal immigration system by diplomatic agreement - on a visa ; a diplomat enters the us through diplomatic agreement that includes an exclusion from prosecution as part of the agreement .

A subject by title in us legal immigration system , by agreement of invitation , means us government assumes an onus of accountability for their well being while in the country ; legal migrants are entitled to positive liberties such as social subsistence , albeit with a risk of deportation .

There is an agreement in us legal immigration system that the travel is not for the purpose of having a child and us can enforce a travel policy against those expecting .

The us government is obligated to secure the well being of its citizens , as subjects of its jurisdiction , whether within the jurisdiction for its domain of law or not .

You won't sell that, even to these Supremes.